So 40% of the US believes God created us as is within past 10,000 years?

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JSt0rm

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Why don't you just STFU while people are discussing something? Are you 12? Nobody's ever scolded you for interrupting before, and with an inane comment no less? Christ, I feel like calling your mom.

hmm? Whats the problem here? Discussing a 10k year old earth. Let me know how that works out for you :D

Oh and forums arent really a real time conversation medium. So interruptions not found.
 

Zebo

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Duh. People are stupid, hence the need for religion in the first place. You might as well said 40% of Americans have IQ below 100 amounts to the same thing.
 
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I'm going to skip all the religion crap because these threads are pointless, but getting to life elsewhere- It's impossible to predict how many planets have life since we have a data point of one. The problem is we don't know what the conditions for life are. Consider that the early history of our world is different than other plants in out solar system. Being clobbered by a Mars sized object would have changed the chemistry of our environment. Does that matter? Perhaps, but to what degree?

Recently a the favored mechanism for carbon arriving on our planet was busted. Comets apparently weren't significant. Is that important? Dunno.

I'm not saying that you are wrong, because I'm agnostic when making conclusions based on insufficient data. I would think number of technologically advanced civilizations would be vanishingly small. Not only do you need life, but it needs to evolve to an intelligence which leans that way and has the dexterity to produce things like writing and making tools. No matter how smart a dolphin may be, it is all wrong for building a car or some equivalent. Bit of a tangent, but it's interesting.

Indeed, not so long ago a young solar system have been discovered similar
as this solar system where the young solar system is covered in a cloud of carbon.

I think it is possible that the planets or other bodies attract this carbon and more. Personally, i think that the idea of the molecules for starting life on the planet are also created on the planet is not the only possibility. I think the molecules start out in space in the solar system. Solarwind is ideal for powering the reaction and providing electrons and ions and pure hydrogen. Then the comet hits the planet providing a more safe and less radiant environment. I think it is at least a 2 step method. High energy environment in space in a solar system as a kick starter and then the save further development on the planet.

http://www.nasa.gov/vision/universe/starsgalaxies/betapic.html
 
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We are all maybe all missing the point.

The earth is only 10,000 years old claims come from biblical claims, and then by putting together the biblical claims of the birth and death claims of major figures in the bible, it becomes possible to arrive at a birth of the earth date. But all those biblical claims are ALL BASED ON THE TOTAL ACCURACY OF THE BIBLE ITSELF.

So we have to ask who wrote the Bible? If it was GOD himself, the implied answer may be one thing, but if it was primitive people with zero scientific knowledge the implied answer becomes quite easier.

That point being, 6000 thousands years ago virtually any mythological question such as the age of the earth of center or the solar system was quite untestable. Someone could advocate the moon was made of Green cheese and no one could disprove it to pick just one example.

Fast forward 5400 years in time, and now suddenly mankind was just starting to get really scientifically sophisticated. And suddenly many of these Christian biblical claims
became untenable because they just did not compute. The first myth to really die hard was the old Ptolemy model of an earth centered solar system that was actually a triumph of previous Greek and Egyptian science. Because it was actually possible to construct a rather accurate approximation of our known solar system 2000 years ago if enough fudge factors called epicycles were added in. And given the crude measurements of angular accuracy 2000 years ago, Greek Science and the bible could coexist.

But when the telescope, the microscope, the precision angular accuracy measurements
of circa 1600 AD astronomers came along, suddenly the Ptolemy model of an earth centered universe became unsustainable. And if the Christian bible was incompatible
with the findings of earthly scientists, from the religious perspective, the answer if obvious, burn the scientists at the stake because they are seeing only the delusions of the devil.

And now fast forward to 2010, and we are now far more scientifically advanced. We can use radioactivity decay rates to date the birth of the earth to some 4.3 billion years ago. And known geology, biology, and virtually all other sciences square with that date.
Making the 10K ago claim of the human written bible ridiculous in comparison.

Which still leaves us with a bible written by GOD? If God can create the universe, what prevents GOD from suddenly and arbitrarily changing the laws of physics in huge ways. So really GOD is just testing our blind faith in religion.

Since that other hypothesis will be forever untestable, how can we ever know if GOD is just a messing with our heads in some sort of divine comedy? For some weird reason known only to GOD.

So meanwhile should we allow biblical nuts to teach the bible based claims in science class? Because what humans now know about Science is totally incompatible with Christian biblical claims. But wait, maybe some other religion other than Christianity actually has it right, we just haven't found that better religion yet.

I do not know if you mean the Islam.
Don't make the same mistake. The Islam suffers from the same flaws as does the bible related faiths. Every time over and over again it start out well with some strange person (man or woman) who does not fit in for some reason but because of this has the natural upper hand to see what others do not care about. But in the end, The idea's of those people are no long presented. The cooperative spirit that was created, the combined conscience so to speak is gone to only return once again with a new way of understanding. Since a few hundred years finally this system was science but again the same will happen. It is human nature. Without disasters or mutual common enemies a large part of humanity will become their own enemies.

The problem with people as classy is they are narrow viewed and narrow minded. Even if you would explain them how it works they actively refuse to see.

To do some prediction :
It does not matter if god exists or not, we are here to become legio. To be 1 while existing independent. If that does not happen, it does not matter if god exist or not. because either way the human race will die out. And that is something science can prove.
 
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Howard

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hmm? Whats the problem here? Discussing a 10k year old earth. Let me know how that works out for you :D

Oh and forums arent really a real time conversation medium. So interruptions not found.
I'm calling you out because you're acting like a bitch who thinks he's safe in his Internet cocoon. Take the time to come up with something useful to add, because as it stands, you have zero credibility and even less sway.
 

JSt0rm

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I'm calling you out because you're acting like a bitch who thinks he's safe in his Internet cocoon. Take the time to come up with something useful to add, because as it stands, you have zero credibility and even less sway.

buhahaha. ok buddy. You win, the world is 10k years old.
 

Howard

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buhahaha. ok buddy. You win, the world is 10k years old.
I'd always thought that ignorance was a weakness for people. For you it seems to be a strength.

For starters, find out what my positions are on politics and religion, and then talk some more out of your ass if the crow isn't wedged halfway in your sphincter (do prove me right).
 

alkemyst

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Damn, JSt0rm must have not been lying when he had to drop out of school at 15 to become a busboy to support his mom and his sibling.

Sadly, she must be as stupid as he is since she would have qualified for government aid.

My prediction is he's straight trollin'.
 

Moonbeam

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Give me a decent person who believes God in in his pocket over an asshole who doesn't believe in such rubbish. It isn't what a person believes that matters. What counts to me is if that person can love.
 

werepossum

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I had to google this...i'm speechless

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbizzLzcpnM

We should all be speechless. This woman is one of our society's 1% - although she is neither wise, not intelligent, nor gifted in any discernible way, she is and probably always will be in the top 1% of our society's earners, simply because she has become famous. Thus a society dies as it celebrates the inane and discards the profound.
 

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Are you genuinely saying that all of human history is some elaborate conspiracy?

Lets suppose that the Book of enoch is based on true facts. Let us also suppose that the semerian tablets are true facts . That seemingly back up the book of enoch.

Now if that knowledge of true history was hidden because a very smart man or alien what ever. If we created a religion based on lies and hide the truth we and all of our generations can control mankind. Because we have real knowledge of the universe and how it works and such we can predict with accurcy certain earth changes or events than record those events as Acts of God. We can control the hearts and minds of man . + take a weekly collection to line our pickets. Look at the world and Men . Have we evolved or degenerated. Lets look at Sex . Its natural a naked body is natural . But some way some how it got made into something dirty that required a bunch of moronic beliefs.

Lets look at religious men who spoke of visions from god telling him to tell his people we must steal their land and kill the people who do dwell therein. Now I don't know about true believers buying into a God who has man do his killing and stealing . seems to me a true God could handle that rather easily . This is were Faith enters into it . That holy man says god is testing us . LOL. Only a complete retard would follow that train of thought.

We were created by the GOD of the universe . Or are we really as enoch says or as the semerians tablets say. Created to dig gold for a world that needed that Gold to maintain its atmosphere. Why is almost 90% of all Gold kept in safe keeping in vaults. Why is money not backed by Gold. Why are earth changes happening so fast right now . The hell with climate. Why all the earth quakes all of the sudden . huge ones at that . How many here know there was I huge quake this month ? It was reported 7.9 . But little else was talked about . How much did this quake move the magnetic field N&S.

The god of the living lie is returning and he wants his gold. Hubris this time shall not escape this false god. For Nemesis passes judgement on all hubris alien or human.
 
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Lets suppose that the Book of enoch is based on true facts. Let us also suppose that the semerian tablets are true facts . That seemingly back up the book of enoch.

Now if that knowledge of true history was hidden because a very smart man or alien what ever. If we created a religion based on lies and hide the truth we and all of our generations can control mankind. Because we have real knowledge of the universe and how it works and such we can predict with accurcy certain earth changes or events than record those events as Acts of God. We can control the hearts and minds of man . + take a weekly collection to line our pickets. Look at the world and Men . Have we evolved or degenerated. Lets look at Sex . Its natural a naked body is natural . But some way some how it got made into something dirty that required a bunch of moronic beliefs.

Lets look at religious men who spoke of visions from god telling him to tell his people we must steal their land and kill the people who do dwell therein. Now I don't know about true believers buying into a God who has man do his killing and stealing . seems to me a true God could handle that rather easily . This is were Faith enters into it . That holy man says god is testing us . LOL. Only a complete retard would follow that train of thought.

We were created by the GOD of the universe . Or are we really as enoch says or as the semerians tablets say. Created to dig gold for a world that needed that Gold to maintain its atmosphere. Why is almost 90% of all Gold kept in safe keeping in vaults. Why is money not backed by Gold. Why are earth changes happening so fast right now . The hell with climate. Why all the earth quakes all of the sudden . huge ones at that . How many here know there was I huge quake this month ? It was reported 7.9 . But little else was talked about . How much did this quake move the magnetic field N&S.

The god of the living lie is returning and he wants his gold. Hubris this time shall not escape this false god. For Nemesis passes judgement on all hubris alien or human.

It is not wise to have sex with everyone and everything because of the spreading of diseases that may not show it's ugly head until after many years or when crippled offspring is born years later. That is why 1 partner for life is the best way. Heterosexual or homosexual is not the issue, the issue is having lots of different partners. One partner for life is the way. Afcourse you can reply there are condoms and 1 day a cure for current sexual transmitted diseases but it will be of no use. Because then you simply ignore evolution.
A stable family with a humble love for each other is the cornerstone in life as is having loved ones without the thought of doubt and the emotion of despair.
All of this science can prove quite easily. If only people would accept every aspect of science in their minds and hearts, instead of choosing to be dumb and superficial...


Earthquakes happen all the time over the world. The earth is being subjected to tremendous forces because of the sun and the moon primarily. It is not strange the planet is active. It is another source of power to maintain what we all call our home.
http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/eqinthenews/2010/
 

Red Dawn

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As far as I'm concerned they can believe in what I consider nonsense as long as they don't insist others have too.
 

dawp

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I found this an interesting read:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rabbi-adam-jacobs/the-jewish-view-of-creati_b_800257.html

One thousand years ago, the great Jewish philosopher and physician, Moses Maimonides, wrote that there is no contradiction between Torah and science and that if one is perceived, then there was a misapprehension of the science or the Torah. Two centuries later, Rabbi Isaac of Akko, a disciple of the great Moses Ben Nachman (Nachmanides) and one of the foremost Kabbalists of his generation, wrote some surprising commentary regarding the age of the universe. In his work "the Trove of Life," he explains that the Earth was actually 42,000 years old when Adam was created and that these years are "divine" years and should not be thought of as 365 regular days. Rather, a divine year is 1,000 times longer or 365,250 years. He based this on a verse in Psalm 90 that says "1,000 years in your eyes is like a day gone by." Do the math. According to Rabbi Isaac, the universe is 42,000 x 365,250, or 15,340,500,000 years old. This figure is squarely within the ballpark of where modern cosmology places the age of the universe. How did he know this? And how did he posses the temerity to conclude it in the midst of the Dark Ages? Perhaps our fundamentalism is not quite as primitive as is supposed

not all religious fruitcakes believe in a young earth.
 
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As far as I'm concerned they can believe in what I consider nonsense as long as they don't insist others have too.

That is my stance as well. A lot of common sense wisdom can even be found in religion based on experience. But there is also a lot of nonsense to be found as well. Unfortunately it is the case that as soon as something bad happens, religious people turn to worshipping and sacrificing rituals which have totally no effect... Only make matters worse. And that is the problem because it is called mass hysteria. By definition no more thinking, just acting.

The issue is that instead of analyses of the problem and finding a solution, people turn to insane methods to make god happy. There lies the issue because people received free will to think and act on their own or as a group according to those very same scriptures that people use for worshipping rituals.

No, this is far better :
People who are religious but accept that science is the way and not a book with man made tales, are on the right track. If religious people accept god created the universe(which is unprovable that god did and exists, and unprovable that there is no god hence both sides win) as a rather good reality. What happened before the formation of the universe is a philosophical question and thus fit's perfect into the realm of the spirits.
Because it will keep the atheists happy and the religious people happy. While both having a common ground and a common objective.

Thus the solution is a religion, a dogma based on understanding and learning.
Another step. so to say. Renaissance after renaissance all over the world and all over time will happen (and did happen) to be able to realize this.
 
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I found this an interesting read:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rabbi-adam-jacobs/the-jewish-view-of-creati_b_800257.html



not all religious fruitcakes believe in a young earth.


Dr. Gerald Schroeder, an Ph.D. in physics from MIT, has spent the last 35 years investigating the confluence of science and Torah and has a novel, yet compelling, approach. Starting with Einstein's discovery of the relativity of time, he explains how great changes in gravity or velocity produce measurable changes in the flow of time. He demonstrates that on an imaginary planet so massive, with a force of gravity so great, that its time was slowed by a factor of 350,000, a visitor would live out three minutes of normal-feeling time while concurrently, the folks back home would have lived out an entire two years. Looking from Earth, the actions of the "big planet" visitor would appear to be unfolding extremely slowly, and vice versa from the other vantage point. Big Bang theory posits that the entire universe at its inception was but a minuscule speck. This notion was supported and recorded by Nachmanides in the 13th Century when he explained that the universe was originally condensed into the size of a mustard seed. As the universe expanded (again, a notion supported by both science and Torah), time expanded with it so that every time it doubled in size, time would pass at half its original rate. Following this logic, Dr. Schroeder demonstrates that it is perfectly conceivable that from the universe's perspective, six 24-hour periods had passed and concurrently the dilated outer reaches of that space would view it as if 15 billion years had elapsed. Have a look at his book The Science of God for the full treatment, including charts outlining the exact duration of each Biblical day.

I have a problem with visitors not used to heavy gravity suddenly standing on a planet with enormous gravity. You do realize that not only time changes but every physical aspect ? What do you think happens inside your body ?
How do you think the atoms will respond and the chemical reactions ?
 

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tangent: anyone know how margin of error is calculated with yes/no type questions? i know how you can do it for bell curve type samples.
Once the sample size of yes/no questions gets large enough, the distribution approximates a "bell curve type sample". It ends up being the same calculation with a couple differences.

The mean you used in your "bell curve type sample" is the proportion you expect to see answer "yes", we'll call that p_hat. Your standard error can be calculated as the sqrt [p_hat*(1-p_hat)/n] where n is your sample size. Or in other words, the percentage of people who answered yes times the percentage of people who answered no, divided by the number of people sampled, and the square root of all of that.

So your standard error is largest when you expect the proportion to be 50/50. Using that estimate, you can figure out the worst case situation. For a sample of 1,000, your margin of error (with 95% certainty) ends up being around plus or minus 3.1% (come polling time, you'll see this number or one close to it a lot). Gallup's margin of error is higher due to the fact they do some weighting and sample design variation.

Two things to note. First off you should notice that the margin of error calculation is not affected at all by the actual population size. Whether you're trying get the answer from Wyoming residents (with 0.18% of the US population), from Cali residents (with nearly 12% of the US population), or from the entire US, 1,000 people properly sampled will give you comparable margin of errors. If 40% believe something, then randomly sampling 1,000 people will still get you around 400 people that believe it, whether it's 1,000 out of 500k people, 1,000 out of 30 million people, or 1,000 out of 300 million people. Conversely, even if Gallup sampled a thousand times more people than they did, they still would have gotten around 40%. That's just how percentages work.

The other is a little more stats geeky. The Normal distribution fails to be a good approximation of the binomial distribution when the proportion is very close to zero or one. If less than half a percent believed, then 1,000 people wouldn't be a large enough a sample to use a normal approximation. This should make sense on an intuitive sense as that'd mean that you'd be seeing less than five people out of the thousand with a different answer.

Stats lesson over. Back to your regularly scheduled programming.
 
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Once the sample size of yes/no questions gets large enough, the distribution approximates a "bell curve type sample". It ends up being the same calculation with a couple differences.

The mean you used in your "bell curve type sample" is the proportion you expect to see answer "yes", we'll call that p_hat. Your standard error can be calculated as the sqrt [p_hat*(1-p_hat)/n] where n is your sample size. Or in other words, the percentage of people who answered yes times the percentage of people who answered no, divided by the number of people sampled, and the square root of all of that.

So your standard error is largest when you expect the proportion to be 50/50. Using that estimate, you can figure out the worst case situation. For a sample of 1,000, your margin of error (with 95% certainty) ends up being around plus or minus 3.1% (come polling time, you'll see this number or one close to it a lot). Gallup's margin of error is higher due to the fact they do some weighting and sample design variation.

Two things to note. First off you should notice that the margin of error calculation is not affected at all by the actual population size. Whether you're trying get the answer from Wyoming residents (with 0.18% of the US population), from Cali residents (with nearly 12% of the US population), or from the entire US, 1,000 people properly sampled will give you comparable margin of errors. If 40% believe something, then randomly sampling 1,000 people will still get you around 400 people that believe it, whether it's 1,000 out of 500k people, 1,000 out of 30 million people, or 1,000 out of 300 million people. Conversely, even if Gallup sampled a thousand times more people than they did, they still would have gotten around 40%. That's just how percentages work.

The other is a little more stats geeky. The Normal distribution fails to be a good approximation of the binomial distribution when the proportion is very close to zero or one. If less than half a percent believed, then 1,000 people wouldn't be a large enough a sample to use a normal approximation. This should make sense on an intuitive sense as that'd mean that you'd be seeing less than five people out of the thousand with a different answer.

Stats lesson over. Back to your regularly scheduled programming.

It's hard for me to take polls like this very seriously. I'm at work, so I can't open their PDF about methodology, but I always trend toward the belief that Gallup and other polling services are getting less accurate due to changes in communication technology (the rise of the cellphone-only crowd), and due to the loaded nature of this type of question. It just seems to me like it's very hard to get a "true" reading because finding a genuinely random sample is incredibly difficult.

Maybe you have some insights that would sway me in my belief regarding these type of polls though.
 

L00PY

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I only skimmed Gallup's methodology, but as they are one of the largest and most reputable pollsters in the country, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt. The cell phone only crowd shouldn't be a concern though as IIRC, they shot for a sample of 850 landlines plus 150 cell phone only. And random dialing would hit cell phones too.

I suppose you miss out on those without any sort of phone number attached to them at all. E-mail / Skype only people?

As for the "loaded nature", it's not like they opened with that question. If memory serves me correctly, that God question was question 34 or something.
 

Nemesis 1

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It is not wise to have sex with everyone and everything because of the spreading of diseases that may not show it's ugly head until after many years or when crippled offspring is born years later. That is why 1 partner for life is the best way. Heterosexual or homosexual is not the issue, the issue is having lots of different partners. One partner for life is the way. Afcourse you can reply there are condoms and 1 day a cure for current sexual transmitted diseases but it will be of no use. Because then you simply ignore evolution.
A stable family with a humble love for each other is the cornerstone in life as is having loved ones without the thought of doubt and the emotion of despair.
All of this science can prove quite easily. If only people would accept every aspect of science in their minds and hearts, instead of choosing to be dumb and superficial...


Earthquakes happen all the time over the world. The earth is being subjected to tremendous forces because of the sun and the moon primarily. It is not strange the planet is active. It is another source of power to maintain what we all call our home.
http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/eqinthenews/2010/

On the sex thing. Just because someone someware said nudity was dirty it became dirty. As for sexuall behavior not all men are animalistic. So with or without some made up morality . You come up with but morality saves the children. No it doesn't its what an individual acts upon that sets him/her apart from one another. Nudity is basic natural. To create dogma that it is unclean is to create immoral thoughts.

You really need to talk to your grandparents about bathing . How many shared bathwater. Or how often bathing occurred. By creating sexual morality . You sow the seeds of immoral thoughts and actions . The sick will act upon those thoughts regardless of moral dogma. Witness the world as it is. Your reply here I assume holds to what you stated in the fore skin removal thread . If you replied to that topic.

We just had the great Roman Sun worship day . What occurrs on the 25 day of dec. The SUN stops its southern flight on the 21 dec. 3 days later on the 25 dec . It begins its Southern flight back to spring. Life renewal. Its all so amusing. You need to find out what the three wise men are and the star they follow is. The Bible was created by Rome for Roman Sun worship.

I like xmas asa holiday . But thats all. I enjoy giving to my grand children and my children many many things I like about xmas.

I don't like satan claws at all . My grandsons mom /Dad teach a very gifted child that this Satan claws is real . His dad teaches him there is NO god. Now think about that . Santa is real . God is not . One can be proven to be a lie . The other cann't . Can you explain how you get something from nothing . If so I all ears. The only thing that I have ever taught my grandson about God is that God resides in your heart and you can make him stronger in you as did the Living Word . Or you can make him disappear by closing your mind and heart to his will . Which is in fact a natural state. Sex money and drugs all created in a manner in mans mind to distract man from evolving to enlightenment.

I watched the Vikes on TV last night . The game is crooked as all hell. Even with the bad calls and missed calls which we all seen clearly the vikes Joe web pulled it off. I watched alot of late hits on eagles QT back by the vikes which is fine The holding calls that weren't called by the sebras was embarressing to watch right infront of zebras. These guys belong in prison . As ever since last years championship game the Warrior was hit late time and time again yet no flags . Last night I watched the vikes deliver late hits and no flags thrown . If those QB were payton or brady between the eagles and vikings there would have been 60 more late hit flags . Watch the dam games . We need for congress to look into the NFL . If this was the 50s or earlier that investigation would have taken place. I can't wait to see the NFL finding on favres E-mails . The Jets hire prostutes to work with nfl players than put out a story like this just befor the game LOL . Making up morals is not a good thing. If you want to believe were animals evolved thats fine. But knock off the BS that is morality if thats your belief. If were animals than let us act as such and stick morality were the sun doesn't shine. The game right now is we follow the immoral leaders. under differant rules than they have for themselves . Screw that . Lets kill the bastards and be done with it.
 
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On the sex thing. Just because someone someware said nudity was dirty it became dirty. As for sexuall behavior not all men are animalistic. So with or without some made up morality . You come up with but morality saves the children. No it doesn't its what an individual acts upon that sets him/her apart from one another. Nudity is basic natural. To create dogma that it is unclean is to create immoral thoughts.

You really need to talk to your grandparents about bathing . How many shared bathwater. Or how often bathing occurred. By creating sexual morality . You sow the seeds of immoral thoughts and actions . The sick will act upon those thoughts regardless of moral dogma. Witness the world as it is. Your reply here I assume holds to what you stated in the fore skin removal thread . If you replied to that topic.

We just had the great Roman Sun worship day . What occurrs on the 25 day of dec. The SUN stops its southern flight on the 21 dec. 3 days later on the 25 dec . It begins its Southern flight back to spring. Life renewal. Its all so amusing. You need to find out what the three wise men are and the star they follow is. The Bible was created by Rome for Roman Sun worship.

I like xmas asa holiday . But thats all. I enjoy giving to my grand children and my children many many things I like about xmas.

I don't like satan claws at all . My grandsons mom /Dad teach a very gifted child that this Satan claws is real . His dad teaches him there is NO god. Now think about that . Santa is real . God is not . One can be proven to be a lie . The other cann't . Can you explain how you get something from nothing . If so I all ears. The only thing that I have ever taught my grandson about God is that God resides in your heart and you can make him stronger in you as did the Living Word . Or you can make him disappear by closing your mind and heart to his will . Which is in fact a natural state. Sex money and drugs all created in a manner in mans mind to distract man from evolving to enlightenment.

I watched the Vikes on TV last night . The game is crooked as all hell. Even with the bad calls and missed calls which we all seen clearly the vikes Joe web pulled it off. I watched alot of late hits on eagles QT back by the vikes which is fine The holding calls that weren't called by the sebras was embarressing to watch right infront of zebras. These guys belong in prison . As ever since last years championship game the Warrior was hit late time and time again yet no flags . Last night I watched the vikes deliver late hits and no flags thrown . If those QB were payton or brady between the eagles and vikings there would have been 60 more late hit flags . Watch the dam games . We need for congress to look into the NFL . If this was the 50s or earlier that investigation would have taken place. I can't wait to see the NFL finding on favres E-mails . The Jets hire prostutes to work with nfl players than put out a story like this just befor the game LOL . Making up morals is not a good thing. If you want to believe were animals evolved thats fine. But knock off the BS that is morality if thats your belief. If were animals than let us act as such and stick morality were the sun doesn't shine. The game right now is we follow the immoral leaders. under differant rules than they have for themselves . Screw that . Lets kill the bastards and be done with it.

Who let grampa have booze again?
 

Nemesis 1

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Who let grampa have booze again?

Grampa doesn't drink. So sadly Can't use that for excuse. Been a really hard active month for me . Doing things that I just shouldn't do. I really tired but I have the will to be the last man standing. Lets see how that turns out. Sooner than later I would preferr . Praise God for grandchildren . What a wonderfull gift the Lord has given this lowly sinner. I pray I see Adam restored and time set straight.