Smoking!! Crucial Ballistix PC2-8000 DDR1000 (micron d9s) $85AC/AR @ THE EGG (OOS)

[Fallengod]

Looks like you have to research to do. DDR3 will be plagued with poor performance when it comes out and will be selling for a premium as well... Absolutely no point in worry about ddr3 for a while. DDR2 is and will be faster, for a little while anyways. Its just memory. Its not like its the cpu were talking about that runs the system. DDR3 will need time to mature before id even bother.

 

[Capt Caveman]

DDR3 Memory Won't Be Mainstream Until 2009

"The DDR3 512-Mbyte chip is still above the $20 level, according to DRAMeXchange, and the DDR3 512-Mbyte module price currently hovers around $180. That is eight times higher than the DDR2 512MB modules, which come in at $23."

 

[kmrivers]

And I will be waiting for that. I don't see a point in throwing together a brand new system right with so much right around the corner. I can wait til the end of the year to build, it will give the prices time to come down and I will have more cash.

I also enjoy how you are making assumptions. I havent found a single DDR3 benchmark (just started looking), that shows terrible performance. Until the numbers are in (next couple weeks I am sure) I would hold off on making ridiculous assumptions. I don't know either way, but I am not going to rant saying it is heaps better or worse to justify waiting/buying DDR2. DDR3 is what is happening, and I am going to wait for that.

Its not just memory. If I had DDR2 and wanted to move to DDR3, that is a new motherboard. I don't want to go through that hassle. I would rather wait. THats all i am saying. If anything I am on your side, there is nothing wrong with buying DDR2 as I said. I am choosing to wait and gave my reasons for doing so. Jeez

 

[Fallengod]

Yes thank you Caveman. Read that article Cave posted.

Ok, possibly you were misunderstanding my points. Im just saying, if you currently already have a C2D system with DDR2 memory, it would be fairly dumb to want to jump to DDR3 right after it came out. I wasnt talking about down the road, obviously down the road things will be better. My point was, it is going to be some time before DDR3 matures to the point where its worth changing to.

Whoever said I am making assumptions? Geez...There are a number of articles out there talking about DDR3. Go find some. In your first post, it sounded like you were trying to say DDR3 was significantly better and you should upgrade right away, which is definitely a mistake IMO. You said it offered improvements, which I have yet to see? Down the road perhaps.....

I just see memory as, memory you know? Its not like a CPU or video card. You arnt going to see some vast improvement. DDR2 is mature now and pretty much at rock bottom prices. Might as well just go DDR2 IMO. Waiting for DDR3 prices and performance to get up to par seems pointless.

 

[Capt Caveman]

DDR3 benchmarks are already available and they have a long ways to go.

First Test DDR3 Intel Bearlake P35 Motherboard ASUS P5K3 Deluxe

Intel New Chipset Bearlake P35 DDR2 ASUS P5K Deluxe FSB 550 and DDR2 1200 Test

 

[Fallengod]

I dont know but I want a mobo with that NB heatpipe design. Wish the dfi infinity had that


EDIT: Btw kmrivers, heres just 1 quick search I found relating to DDR3 price........If you need a little more than my word. LINK

2gb buffalo DDR3 kit for $1180.... Wow what a bargain? Thats over 10x DDR2 prices.

 

[kmrivers]

Those were posted just yesterday... give me a break

Also, it will be a while before I buy. I just don't find much of a point in building a box right now. I ony have a laptop and wanted to build a desktop.

The more I looked, the more it made sense to wait. Prices are always high and I surely won' be a super early adopter. But my current wish is:

DX38BT (Bad Axe 2 replacement)
3.33Ghz Penryn 6MB cache
4GB DDR2 or DDR3 (8GB later), Most manufactuers seem to be putting out 2 versions of their boards(P5K for example). Intel is supposedly supporting both on this board, maybe dual support which would make it super easy.

Besides, prices will drop even more next week. I think the rebates will be gone and the prices will plummet. Thats when I will buy. DDR2 that is.

 

[Fallengod]

From what one of the OCZ reps said, he believes DDR2 prices to be a pretty much rock bottom. They should be stabilizing. Id doubt that youll find them dropping much more. I mean, this stuff for $85AR, I couldnt grasp it going down much more. Without a rebate is hard to say. I think its the preferences of certain companies and how they drop prices.

 

[Fallengod]

Just FYI, mine has shipped. I like how they shipped from Tennessee and still charge me CA tax. I love it.

 

[TekDemon]

Heh, I missed this deal but I can only hope that there's an even more insane deal soon that'll make everyone who got in on this annoyed

 

[chazzzer]

Originally posted by: Fallengod
From what one of the OCZ reps said, he believes DDR2 prices to be a pretty much rock bottom. They should be stabilizing. Id doubt that youll find them dropping much more. I mean, this stuff for $85AR, I couldnt grasp it going down much more. Without a rebate is hard to say. I think its the preferences of certain companies and how they drop prices.

As someone that used to work in the computer software & hardware distribution business, I can tell you that there are two key reasons for doing rebates: 1) The manufacturer can write off rebates as an advertising/marketing expense; or 2) The reseller has a good quantity of product that they paid a too much money for recently and would have to sell at a loss now, and they want a credit/refund.

Rebate type #1 is the type where the manufacturer offers a rebate regardless of who the seller is (as long as they're an authorized reseller), like Seagate giving a $30 rebate on their 500GB drives during the month of May. Sure, they're counting on a good percentage of people not remembering to send in for the rebates, but the ones that do can written off as an expense.

Rebate type #2 is far more common. This is the $30 rebate on Seagate 500GB drives purchased between 5/1/07 and 5/7/07, only from Newegg.com. The manufacturer is in a bind, because the reseller is stuck holding over-valued product. It may or may not be the reseller's fault -- they could have bought too much inventory, or the price could have dropped right after they bought a reasonable amount -- either way, they feel like they've been screwed and want compensation. No manufacturer ever wants to refund money, accept a return, give credit on an outstanding invoice or give away free product to allow the reseller to cost-average to be able to meet the competition's price. Instead they'll often choose to offer a reseller-specific rebate to allow that reseller to get rid of their overstock. As always, the manufacturer is hoping that a good percentage of buyers won't remember to send in for the rebate...if everyone did, they might as well have just gone with one of the other alternatives. A lot of the time you can spot these because the rebate amounts are very high compared to the value of the product (like this one) or because the reseller never restocks during the rebate period once they've run out of the product. (Frys.com does the latter a lot, but they'll keep accepting backorders. If you don't pay attention and cancel your order in time, they'll go ahead and ship it after the rebate has expired. This makes them a large profit, and makes you the one that gets screwed in the deal.)

Another rebate advantage to a manufacturer is the ability to spread the loss over time, hence the 8-12 week wait for the rebate check. A lot of people think that they're trying to make bank interest off of your money, but how much interest can you really make these days? It's all about averaging out the loss, or moving it from Q1 to Q2 or whatever.

Okay, end of the boring information about rebates; I just thought some might find it interesting to know why they exist.

 

[Old Hippie]

I just thought some might find it interesting to know why they exist.

I did. :thumbsup:

 

[bupkus]

Originally posted by: Old Hippie

I just thought some might find it interesting to know why they exist.

I did. :thumbsup:

Newegg has returned the Ballistix DDR2 1000 item, albiet OOS, back to their site. Whether they restock before the rebate expires or whether the promotion code is still valid, I couldn't say.

Correction: Suddenly, I cannot isolate the above mentioned product by clicking on it from a list of Crucial memory of type:____, capacity____, etc. When I do it throws me to a list of memory. Never mind.

 

[Jerry944T]

Thanks for the explanation. I feel "illuminated."

 

[TDon]

Just FYI, I got the notice this morning that my order has shipped as well. Should be here early next week.

TD

 

[xtremeskier97]

Originally posted by: chazzzer

Originally posted by: Fallengod
From what one of the OCZ reps said, he believes DDR2 prices to be a pretty much rock bottom. They should be stabilizing. Id doubt that youll find them dropping much more. I mean, this stuff for $85AR, I couldnt grasp it going down much more. Without a rebate is hard to say. I think its the preferences of certain companies and how they drop prices.

As someone that used to work in the computer software & hardware distribution business, I can tell you that there are two key reasons for doing rebates: 1) The manufacturer can write off rebates as an advertising/marketing expense; or 2) The reseller has a good quantity of product that they paid a too much money for recently and would have to sell at a loss now, and they want a credit/refund.

Rebate type #1 is the type where the manufacturer offers a rebate regardless of who the seller is (as long as they're an authorized reseller), like Seagate giving a $30 rebate on their 500GB drives during the month of May. Sure, they're counting on a good percentage of people not remembering to send in for the rebates, but the ones that do can written off as an expense.

Rebate type #2 is far more common. This is the $30 rebate on Seagate 500GB drives purchased between 5/1/07 and 5/7/07, only from Newegg.com. The manufacturer is in a bind, because the reseller is stuck holding over-valued product. It may or may not be the reseller's fault -- they could have bought too much inventory, or the price could have dropped right after they bought a reasonable amount -- either way, they feel like they've been screwed and want compensation. No manufacturer ever wants to refund money, accept a return, give credit on an outstanding invoice or give away free product to allow the reseller to cost-average to be able to meet the competition's price. Instead they'll often choose to offer a reseller-specific rebate to allow that reseller to get rid of their overstock. As always, the manufacturer is hoping that a good percentage of buyers won't remember to send in for the rebate...if everyone did, they might as well have just gone with one of the other alternatives. A lot of the time you can spot these because the rebate amounts are very high compared to the value of the product (like this one) or because the reseller never restocks during the rebate period once they've run out of the product. (Frys.com does the latter a lot, but they'll keep accepting backorders. If you don't pay attention and cancel your order in time, they'll go ahead and ship it after the rebate has expired. This makes them a large profit, and makes you the one that gets screwed in the deal.)

Another rebate advantage to a manufacturer is the ability to spread the loss over time, hence the 8-12 week wait for the rebate check. A lot of people think that they're trying to make bank interest off of your money, but how much interest can you really make these days? It's all about averaging out the loss, or moving it from Q1 to Q2 or whatever.

Okay, end of the boring information about rebates; I just thought some might find it interesting to know why they exist.

Very interesting and makes complete sense. Thank you.

 

[bupkus]

I just checked newegg and mwave to see if there had been any changes to their Ballistix rebate and discount offerings.

Newegg seems to have completely pulled their rebate listings for the yellow Ballistix modules. There's one for a Tracer model, but not so cheap a deal.
In addition newegg has pulled the Ballistix 2GB(2 x 1GB) DDR2 1000 listing completely again so as not to allow someone to purchase the model, use a rebate form and a promotion code. The promo code plus the rebate plus price reduction may have been an error on the egg's part. I'd be surprised if the promo code were still allowed with any Ballistix purchase.

For those still interested it seems mwave has the Ballistix 2GB(2 x 1GB) DDR2 1000 for $155 with a $40 rebate. That didn't include free shipping for me at about $7 & change.

 

[brencat]

The same $115 AR deal for 2GB Ballistix PC-8000 is available at mwave and newegg. Just pulled the trigger this morning at mwave...$155 less $40 rebate, or $215 at the egg less $100 rebate. Ticked me off that I had to pay $8.50 shipping though, except at time I ordered, newegg didn't have the (new) rebate up there.

Phenominal deal either way for this RAM.

 

[brencat]

OMG...just refreshed the newegg page...not 5 mins after my previous post at 1:27pm, and the Ballistix are now OOS again! lol

Go to mwave. You'll have to pay small shipping charge but there's less $$ exposure if for some reason you don't get your rebate back.

 

[xyyz]

ummm is it just me or has newegg listed them for $289.99 w/ a $100 rebate?

 

[Fallengod]

Originally posted by: xyyz
ummm is it just me or has newegg listed them for $289.99 w/ a $100 rebate?

Well yeah now...youre alittle late on the deal. Its called supply and demand. Newegg likes to raise prices like that when they start selling so fast.

 

[bupkus]

The DDR2 1000 is out of stock and not competitive with the price for the DDR2 1066.
I suspect that newegg's computers are either programmed to respond to changes in their inventory or they promptly notify a manager to make a decision. Even so, the result is nobody would buy that item if so many other deals offer superior products at lower prices.

Anyway, forget all that and congrats to all you folks who cleaned up with some good deals when you could.

 

[bupkus]

BTW, Mwave still has the $155 price - $40 MIR for the DDR2 1000 Ballistix. They aren't sold out so I guess it's old news with a boring price.

 

[fleshconsumed]

mwave rebate also says two per household if I'm reading it right. So you can get 4GB of premium memory for $240 after rebate.

 

[Fallengod]

You guys all sent in the UPC cut from the cardboard box right?