Smoking cannabis virtually doubles the risk of developing mental illnesses

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Smoking cannabis virtually doubles the risk of developing mental illnesses

So what's your excuse?


Anyway we have high levels of mental illness in USA compared to other countries.
http://www.al.com/living/birminghamnews...ase/living/1118654289240680.xml&coll=2


Has it occured to you they smoke dope to escape thier aweful reality? In other words the mind came before the dope?

FIRST THING THAT CROSSED MY MIND

 

[LordMagnusKain]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Zebo

Smoking cannabis virtually doubles the risk of developing mental illnesses

So what's your excuse?


Anyway we have high levels of mental illness in USA compared to other countries.
http://www.al.com/living/birminghamnews...ase/living/1118654289240680.xml&coll=2


Has it occured to you they smoke dope to escape thier aweful reality? In other words the mind came before the dope?

FIRST THING THAT CROSSED MY MIND

because it's an observation of your own self justification?

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Zebo

Smoking cannabis virtually doubles the risk of developing mental illnesses

So what's your excuse?


Anyway we have high levels of mental illness in USA compared to other countries.
http://www.al.com/living/birminghamnews...ase/living/1118654289240680.xml&coll=2


Has it occured to you they smoke dope to escape thier aweful reality? In other words the mind came before the dope?

FIRST THING THAT CROSSED MY MIND

because it's an observation of your own self justification?

In part. Here I have nothing to justify since I use only coffee, but because of merciless self analysis I know how we all act. I see how I try to escape pain because I kicked all the crutches I could find. I could not escape and had to suffer, so I don't need them as much any more. But you will be more than surprised how hard your pain is to find, your core pain, of course, that is.

 

[LordMagnusKain]

But you will be more than surprised how hard your pain is to find, your core pain, of course, that is.

what is the information which begins inner research vedic moonie?
man i loved ?baron von munchausen? Robin Williams was great in that, wasn?t he moon pie?

 

[Zebo]

I don't even drink coffee... an occational Nookie Brown ale and that's it.. But I know I'm nuts.

Would'nt have it any other way.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain

But you will be more than surprised how hard your pain is to find, your core pain, of course, that is.

what is the information which begins inner research vedic moonie?
man i loved ?baron von munchausen? Robin Williams was great in that, wasn?t he moon pie?

I do not understand your question and I know nothing about the Vedas. What is the information which begins inner research? Think about that. That question is completely incomprehensible. Please try to be clear about what it is you ask. You have to know yourself first and then say it in a manner that explains what you are feeling. That is vital, here, for instance, in understanding yourself. Saying what you mean is the first step in discovering what you DO mean. You can't analysize and understand what is not clearly expressed. I think you might have actually meant, "How does one get to ones pain?" At least that is the question you should have asked, and without the vedic crap.

Hehe, I just told you I have suffered pain. What's 'Vedic' and 'moon pie' spose to do?

You may be interested to know that Jesus said those who suffer go to heaven somewhere I think. I know Moonbeam says so.

And I never saw baron von munchausen so what was that question all about. All I can say is it looks like some kind of dig.

Maybe I should call you LowMagnutsKook, hehe, to get with the Spirit.

 

[imported_michaelpatrick33]

Down with Dupont I tell you, down with Dupont! We all know the reason marijuana is illegal is because big corporations such as Dupont saw that hemp was about to steal their synthetic fiber thunder in the early 1930's. Hemp could be used for paper, clothing and all kinds of other practical applications which could severly damage their business. Machine separated hemp became feasible in the 1920's. Uh-oh Dupont profits for polyester. (There are other reasons as well)

The marijuana of then is nowhere near the potency of it today. Crossbreeding and such.

Alcohol and tobacco remain legal because they don't threaten other big businesses products such as polyester. Tobacco and alcohol can't make paper (HMMM tobacco wide ruled, interesting thought but I digress)

I have never smoked marijuana, rarely drink, and tried two cigarettes, (I do smoke an occasional pipe) but find it amusing all the money spent fighting a war over a weed that will never be won and never be stopped. Regulate it, tax it, get the innocent pot smokers out of prison and keep the murderers and rapists in prison. You think keeping it illegal stops any kid from doing it if they want it? Get real. Like teenagers don't drink because it is illegal. Please.
Any substance done to excess can be hazardous to your health. How much money is spent a year trying to stop people from doing marijuana?

Wait
...
Did you hear that? The walls man
The walls they're
They're
Breathing.
Far out, man.
Let's keep cigarettes legal, with one of the most addictive substance known to humanity (nicotine) while keeping the weed illegal. What a joke.

 

[LordMagnusKain]

Robin Williams played the king of the moon, his head was happy to have gotten away from it?s body. No insult.

You may be interested to know that Jesus said those who suffer go to heaven somewhere I think.

story of Lazarus* and the rich man; clearly a call to not live a materialistic life ignoring your suffering self.

*not the rezed guy

19"There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. 20At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores 21and longing to eat what fell from the rich man's table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores. 22"The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham's side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23In hell,[c] where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24So he called to him, 'Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.' 25"But Abraham replied, 'Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. 26And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.' 27"He answered, 'Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my father's house, 28for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.' 29"Abraham replied, 'They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.' 30" 'No, father Abraham,' he said, 'but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.' 31"He said to him, 'If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.' "

 

[IEC]

Originally posted by: gigapet

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
They need to legalize pot and tax it like they do cigarettes, booze, and gambling.

#1 cash crop in the US and its not taxed! estimated 30 billion in sales per year!!!! I am sure that could pay for a preliminary invasion of some country that needs democracy.


back to the OP: this is just more typical misinformation and propaganda.

Oh really? Perhaps we should ask the doctors/physicians/medical researchers who *obviously* aren't qualified to tell us that smoking pot is bad for your health.

/sarcasm

:disgust:

 

[wylecoyote]

God I love the original post. Hilarious. Get high, Rip. You'd be better off.

THought you might want to check this article out... "New study by the American Association for Psychology and Jesus finds that marijuana users develop psychotic rages that usually ends in the murder of hundreds of kittens and baby foxes. Flaming red eyes and horns often appear within 10 minutes of the first 'hit' (shudder) of marijuana. Detailed interviews, observations, and studies of certain 'individuals', specifically the Association's office dog Elijah and several potted plants near the lobby, reveal that masturbation, sex in anything but the missionary position, interracail marriage, and even THINKING of the word 'gay' or 'homosexual' may result in total loss of mental capacity, drooling, flatulence, and a fascination with becoming one of Lucifer's minions. Questions and comments may be sent to tightasses@AAPJ.com. Amen."

-Associated Press

See signature.

 

[PatboyX]

holy crap!
weed is bad for you!!!?!!?!???!
well, at least i can still drink!

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain
Robin Williams played the king of the moon, his head was happy to have gotten away from it?s body. No insult.

You may be interested to know that Jesus said those who suffer go to heaven somewhere I think.

story of Lazarus* and the rich man; clearly a call to not live a materialistic life ignoring your suffering self.

*not the rezed guy

19"There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. 20At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores 21and longing to eat what fell from the rich man's table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores. 22"The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham's side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23In hell,[c] where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24So he called to him, 'Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.' 25"But Abraham replied, 'Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. 26And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.' 27"He answered, 'Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my father's house, 28for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.' 29"Abraham replied, 'They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.' 30" 'No, father Abraham,' he said, 'but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.' 31"He said to him, 'If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.' "

I don't know the Bible but it is not that one.....something about a string of blessings I think. Blessed are the meek for..... blessed are those wh suffer for.....(WHAT) they will be filled or comforted or something,,,,,enter the kingdom, essentially, I think.

Good old Google: ?Blessed are those who mourn, for they shall be comforted?. Matt 5:4

 

[imported_hscorpio]

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain

I see what your saying. We really don't truly know what will happen in regards to usage rates once marijuana is decriminalized, but we do have some indicators. In the US if you compare usage rates between states that have reduced possession of less than a certain amount to a misdemeanor with states that still have very harsh felony laws; the rates of use are still very similar.

We can also study the Netherlands usage rate. I think you might be giving prohibition more credit than is due, in regards to it's "benefits" on marijuana's usage/popularity.

Although the rate of use may be similar in less-criminalized locals equally to criminalized locations could be attributed to social differences between states, fear of capture those who sell still feel and federal penalties that preclude you from receiving fin-aid or even that the product has yet to be put through proper American marketing. The difference in decriminalization in the Netherlands could be directly related to the social differences, in that those in the Netherlands have had the life experience to know how to deal with massively available marijuana *admittedly a transitional problem*

you make a point that's hard to refute.

I don't buy the "cultural differences" excuse, especially between US states. Also Dutch teens have slightly lower usage rates than US teens, and as we all know teens and 'life experience knowledge' are contradictory. Also marijuana is definately just as massively available here in the US. In the end the decision to smoke or not smoke pot just isn't very influenced by it's legal status.

I don't ignore they exist, but can see that the harms so easily outweigh the benefits that its unthinkable for me that someone can continue to support the current marijuana laws.

it's wrong to send a man to jail for smoking herb... but i don't think it's something that should be given to the free market either.

Strict regulation is what I believe is the best compromise. Licensed sellers, similar to alcohol but stricter. NO advertising on TV or radio. Taxes, etc.

Remember that the marijauna market exists now. It is thriving and is essentially a free market in many ways. Just think how easy it is to become a pot dealer. All a person needs is some cash to buy a large quantity, and then they divide it into smaller quantities and mark it up. The risk of being busted is just factored into the price. Of course the chance of being busted is lower if they sell to people they know aren't cops, like KIDS.

Now think of what it takes to enter the alcohol market. First they need to get a store, then they need to get a license to legally sell the liquor. Of course they could try to sell in the black market, but they couldn't compete that way with licensed sellers who don't mark their product up to compensate for the risk of getting busted. Then they have to limit their sales to people old enough to buy.

 

[imported_Condor]

Yeah, it can make you a Kerry voting lib too!

 

[LordMagnusKain]

I don't buy the "cultural differences" excuse, especially between US states. Also Dutch teens have slightly lower usage rates than US teens, and as we all know teens and 'life experience knowledge' are contradictory. Also marijuana is definately just as massively available here in the US. In the end the decision to smoke or not smoke pot just isn't very influenced by it's legal status.

Social financial and moral pressures keep many from smoking marijuana.
Removal of the legal aspects of the social pressure will lead to a great
reduction in the moral pressures and the free market the financial pressures.

It seems to be highly likely that general legalization and giving of marijuana
over to the free market will increase marijuana use greatly.

But I don?t think this is the government?s business. I think we?d be best off to
legalize marijuana and treat it as we do tobacco, make it?s use in public places
illegal, charge high amounts of ?sin-tax? and have add campaigns similar to
those against tobacco that one-sidedly outline the risks dangers and detriments
of marijuana use.

Yeah, it can make you a Kerry voting lib too!

that would require that I somehow come to the conclusion that government
subsidized abortions was a good idea.

 

[imported_hscorpio]

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain
Social financial and moral pressures keep many from smoking marijuana.
Removal of the legal aspects of the social pressure will lead to a great reduction
in the moral pressures and the free market the financial pressures.

It seems to be highly likely that general legalization and giving of marijuana
over to the free market will increase marijuana use greatly.

But I don?t think this is the government?s business. I think we?d be best off to
legalize marijuana and treat it as we do tobacco, make it?s use in public places
illegal, charge high amounts of ?sin-tax? and have add campaigns similar to
those against tobacco that one-sidedly outline the risks dangers and detriments
of marijuana use.

The idea that marijuana use will increase greatly if it's legalized might seem
likely, but in reality the evidence says otherwise. If a state reduces possession
of marijuana from a felony to a misdemeanor you would say that means the
social/moral pressure to refrain from smoking pot has been reduced somewhat.
Then you would conclude that since the social/moral pressures have been reduced,
pot use will increase. We can study such cases from the past and see that such
reasoning is false.

Even if you persist in believing that reduction in penalties = social acceptance =
increased use, I would argue that society can allow something to be legal and
still frown on it's use.

I agree with you that this isn't any of the government's business. Unfortunately
too many Americans who would never want government interference in their
own lives try to use government to impose their values on others.

 

[arsbanned]

nm

 

[Thump553]

Originally posted by: hscorpio
. . .
Unfortunately too many Americans who would never want government interference in their own lives try to use government to impose their values on others.

My God, you've hit the current Administration's fundamental belief system right on it's head!

 

[imported_hscorpio]

Originally posted by: Thump553

Originally posted by: hscorpio
. . .
Unfortunately too many Americans who would never want government interference in their own lives try to use government to impose their values on others.

My God, you've hit the current Administration's fundamental belief system right on it's head!

It's just about everybody these days, not just the current administration.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Condor
Yeah, it can make you a Kerry voting lib too!

or a paranoid bird brain.

 

[Safeway]

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Condor
Yeah, it can make you a Kerry voting lib too!

or a paranoid bird brain.

I wish drugs were legalized. Decriminalization of drugs would defreat the profit motive. It would also allow people of weak character to move down the path to self destruction a little faster. Imaging it, a world with no democrats!

 

[totalcommand]

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Condor
Yeah, it can make you a Kerry voting lib too!

or a paranoid bird brain.

I wish drugs were legalized. Decriminalization of drugs would defreat the profit motive. It would also allow people of weak character to move down the path to self destruction a little faster. Imaging it, a world with no democrats!

you mean a world with only dictators? jeez, doesn't sound too nice.

 

[shira]

Originally posted by: Riprorin
And another:

Cannabis link to mental illness strengthened

NewScientist.com 21 November 2002

The link between regular cannabis use and later depression and schizophrenia has been significantly strengthened by three new studies.

The studies provide "little support" for an alternative explanation - that people with mental illnesses self-medicate with marijuana - according to Joseph Rey and Christopher Tennant of the University of Sydney, who have written an editorial on the papers in the British Medical Journal.

One of the key conclusions of the research is that people who start smoking cannabis as adolescents are at the greatest risk of later developing mental health problems. Another team calculates that eliminating cannabis use in the UK population could reduce cases of schizophrenia by 13 per cent.

Until now, say Rey and Tennant, there was "a dearth of reliable evidence" to support the idea that cannabis use could cause schizophrenia or depression. That lack of good evidence "has handicapped the development of rational public health policies," according to one of the research groups, led by George Patton at the Murdoch Children's Research Institute in Melbourne, Australia.

The works also highlights potential risks associated with using cannabis as a medicine to ease the symptoms of muscular sclerosis, for example.

Pharmacological effect
Patton's team followed over 1600 Australian school pupils aged 14 to 15 for seven years. Daily cannabis use was associated with a five-fold increased risk of depression at the age of 20. Weekly use was linked to a two-fold increase. The regular users were no more likely to have suffered from depression or anxiety at the start of the study.

The reason for the link is unclear. Social consequences of frequent cannabis use include educational failure and unemployment, which could increase the risk of depression. "However, because the risk seems confined largely to daily users, the question about a direct pharmacological effect remains," says Patton.

In separate research, a team led by Stanley Zammit at the University of Cardiff, UK, evaluated data on over 50,000 men who had been Swedish military conscripts in 1969 and1970. This group represents 97 per cent of men aged 18 to 20 in the population at that time.

The new analysis revealed a dose-dependant relationship between the frequency of cannabis use and schizophrenia. This held true in men with no psychotic symptoms before they started using cannabis, suggesting they were not self-medicating.

Genetic factors
Finally, researchers led by Terrie Moffitt at King's College London, UK, analyzed comprehensive data on over 1000 people born in Dunedin, New Zealand in 1972 and 1973.

They found that people who used cannabis by age 15 were four times as likely to have a diagnosis of schizophreniform disorder (a milder version of schizophrenia) at age 26 than non-users.

But when the number of psychotic symptoms at age 11 was controlled for, this increased risk dropped to become non-significant. This suggests that people already at greater risk of later developing mental health problems are also more likely to smoke cannabis.

The total number of high quality studies on cannabis use and mental health disorders remains small, stress Rey and Tennant. And it is still not clear whether cannabis can cause these conditions in people not predisposed by genetic factors, for example, to develop them.

"The overall weight of evidence is that occasional use of cannabis has few harmful effects overall," Zammit's team writes. "Nevertheless, our results indicate a potentially serious risk to the mental health of people who use cannabis. Such risks need to be considered in the current move to liberalize and possibly legalize the use of cannabis in the UK and other countries."

Journal references: British Medical Journal (vol 325, p1195, p1199, p1212, p1183)

Link

Do you even bother reading your own citations? See the bolded paragraphs, above.

Your nonsensical post is just one more data point in my ongoing study that is finding a statistically significant link between frequent reading of the bible and brain damage.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: shira

Originally posted by: Riprorin
And another:

Cannabis link to mental illness strengthened

NewScientist.com 21 November 2002

The link between regular cannabis use and later depression and schizophrenia has been significantly strengthened by three new studies.

The studies provide "little support" for an alternative explanation - that people with mental illnesses self-medicate with marijuana - according to Joseph Rey and Christopher Tennant of the University of Sydney, who have written an editorial on the papers in the British Medical Journal.

One of the key conclusions of the research is that people who start smoking cannabis as adolescents are at the greatest risk of later developing mental health problems. Another team calculates that eliminating cannabis use in the UK population could reduce cases of schizophrenia by 13 per cent.

Until now, say Rey and Tennant, there was "a dearth of reliable evidence" to support the idea that cannabis use could cause schizophrenia or depression. That lack of good evidence "has handicapped the development of rational public health policies," according to one of the research groups, led by George Patton at the Murdoch Children's Research Institute in Melbourne, Australia.

The works also highlights potential risks associated with using cannabis as a medicine to ease the symptoms of muscular sclerosis, for example.

Pharmacological effect
Patton's team followed over 1600 Australian school pupils aged 14 to 15 for seven years. Daily cannabis use was associated with a five-fold increased risk of depression at the age of 20. Weekly use was linked to a two-fold increase. The regular users were no more likely to have suffered from depression or anxiety at the start of the study.

The reason for the link is unclear. Social consequences of frequent cannabis use include educational failure and unemployment, which could increase the risk of depression. "However, because the risk seems confined largely to daily users, the question about a direct pharmacological effect remains," says Patton.

In separate research, a team led by Stanley Zammit at the University of Cardiff, UK, evaluated data on over 50,000 men who had been Swedish military conscripts in 1969 and1970. This group represents 97 per cent of men aged 18 to 20 in the population at that time.

The new analysis revealed a dose-dependant relationship between the frequency of cannabis use and schizophrenia. This held true in men with no psychotic symptoms before they started using cannabis, suggesting they were not self-medicating.

Genetic factors
Finally, researchers led by Terrie Moffitt at King's College London, UK, analyzed comprehensive data on over 1000 people born in Dunedin, New Zealand in 1972 and 1973.

They found that people who used cannabis by age 15 were four times as likely to have a diagnosis of schizophreniform disorder (a milder version of schizophrenia) at age 26 than non-users.

But when the number of psychotic symptoms at age 11 was controlled for, this increased risk dropped to become non-significant. This suggests that people already at greater risk of later developing mental health problems are also more likely to smoke cannabis.

The total number of high quality studies on cannabis use and mental health disorders remains small, stress Rey and Tennant. And it is still not clear whether cannabis can cause these conditions in people not predisposed by genetic factors, for example, to develop them.

"The overall weight of evidence is that occasional use of cannabis has few harmful effects overall," Zammit's team writes. "Nevertheless, our results indicate a potentially serious risk to the mental health of people who use cannabis. Such risks need to be considered in the current move to liberalize and possibly legalize the use of cannabis in the UK and other countries."

Journal references: British Medical Journal (vol 325, p1195, p1199, p1212, p1183)

Link

Do you even bother reading your own citations? See the bolded paragraphs, above.

Your nonsensical post is just one more data point in my ongoing study that is finding a statistically significant link between frequent reading of the bible and brain damage.

Yes, well it just may be that the brain damage preceded that.