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Crimson

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Crimson
I'm starting to learn a lot why people in this forum act the way they do..
Usually I don't advocate people smoking pot but in you case I think it would make a world of difference in a positive way even if you only smoke it while you are on line here;)

If I start agreeing with Dave, then you know I've taken it up.. LOL
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: Crimson
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Crimson
I'm starting to learn a lot why people in this forum act the way they do..
Usually I don't advocate people smoking pot but in you case I think it would make a world of difference in a positive way even if you only smoke it while you are on line here;)

If I start agreeing with Dave, then you know I've taken it up.. LOL
I'd be worried that you were on something a lot more potent than Pot.:shocked:
 

NeoV

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so the inference here is that the left is in favor of legalizing pot? Please.
 

1EZduzit

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Originally posted by: Crimson
Originally posted by: NeoV
so the inference here is that the left is in favor of legalizing pot? Please.

No, the left of this forum is all SMOKING pot.

No the left of this forum are the only ones with enough integritiy to admit to smoking pot. :p
 

bamacre

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Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: Crimson
Originally posted by: NeoV
so the inference here is that the left is in favor of legalizing pot? Please.

No, the left of this forum is all SMOKING pot.

No the left of this forum are the only ones with enough integritiy to admit to smoking pot. :p



<---- Republican that likes the Latin Lettuce, the Tijuana Tobacco.

:music: I Love You, Mary Jane:music:

:laugh::laugh:
 

ExpertNovice

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Originally posted by: judasmachine
Marijuana is a prime example how our democracy doesn't work. I know people from city councilman to police officers to punk kids that all smoke marijuana. If a majority of people want to be allowed to do something then shouldn't they be allowed to by virtue of their majority? If you polled everyone and they answered honestly, you would find that most people don't care if others or themselves smoke weed.

There was a time when you would have known such people who owned slaves. I would have still disagreed with owning slaves.

Thus, your answer is somewhat ridiculous.

However, even though I don't smoke marijuana, use any non-prescribed drugs (and dislike using them). Since cigarettes and alchohol are both legal I think marijuana should be legalized as well.

Yes, I'm aware of the change in brain chemistry associated with it's use. Still, there is a change in brain chemistry from using alcohol. Alcohol effects the body just as cigarettes and marijuana do.

Now, I do find it hypocritcal of those who want to get rid of cigarettes because of the associated health problems also want to legalize marijuana. Perhaps they are lawyers who merely look for the chance to make more money off the stupid.
 

ExpertNovice

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Originally posted by: umbrella39
Originally posted by: Crimson
Originally posted by: NeoV
so the inference here is that the left is in favor of legalizing pot? Please.

No, the left of this forum is all SMOKING pot.

And half the right who are willing to admit it.

I wonder if "because you do something you assume that everyone does" is considered a disease in the same way alcoholism is called a disease. It is certainly an elitist attitude.

A woman called into a talk show and was screaming at the host for talking about the problems of DWI and DUI. Her comment was "everyone has a few DWI convicitions."

As for the "inference here is that the left is in favor of legalizing pot" comment. Yes, many are. However, many conservatives are also in favor of legalizing, not only pot, but all drugs. Many Libertarians (such as myself) are also in favor of legalizing it.

FWI: I am not in favor of legalizing all drugs. The only concerns with marijuana is the lawsuits we know will be pushed by the liberals because of the tar which will destroy the lungs and past history with the tobacco industry.

I do understand the argument for it. We hear all the time.
No need for SWI because we would not be able to stop all the missle.
Make drugs legal because we can't stop all the drug use.

hehe, Of course, with such logic we should make everything legal because we can't fully stop anything! :)

One thing to point out. The radical left doesn't want to "legalize marijuana" they simply want to control in the fashion they tried in the 30's. Thus, it was the liberals on the supreme court who voted to outlaw (superseding state authority!!!!) marijuana for medcial reasons. Hopefully, this ruling which supersedes the will of the voters, is a wake up call to how much havoc the liberal hold up of appointing district court judges is.


Newsweek actually did LIE! :| People DIED! :(
 

1EZduzit

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Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: Crimson
Originally posted by: NeoV
so the inference here is that the left is in favor of legalizing pot? Please.

No, the left of this forum is all SMOKING pot.

No the left of this forum are the only ones with enough integritiy to admit to smoking pot. :p



<---- Republican that likes the Latin Lettuce, the Tijuana Tobacco.

:music: I Love You, Mary Jane:music:

:laugh::laugh:

Me bad. I should say that MORE the left of this forum have the integrity to admit it.
 

jonjonsanfru

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One of the few Doonesbury Strips I like.

The whole "Reefer Madness" Dupont story is that the male hemp plant was competition to the cotton industry. To combat this they started "Reefer Madness." They made criminal associations to the female strain, including insanity/violence/it caused black people to be less intelligent... etc, hence the term Reefer Madness. By criminalizing the female strain, the male strain was also made illegal. At the time cotton was a labor intensive operation, requiring a large labor force... in order to be competitive, that labor source needed to be cheap (slaves). Picking the cotton from the plants, removing the seeds, spooling needs lots of hands. The Hemp plant on the other hand only needed to be pulled from the ground and shucked of its leaves, everything else was usable fiber. Then a quick dip in some chemicals to seperate the fibers, walla insta product. Not to mention the actual durability of the Hemp plant, its resistance to disease, hardiness, and its ability to grow almost anywhere... this was a major problem for Plantation owners who had established a cushy lifestyle on the backs of slaves.

So just like today, they used of propaganda, misdirection and $$ to get rid of the competition. This is the source of criminalized marijuana. Today any fiber manufacturer, whether cotton/paper/some consumer level petroleum based products, has a lot to fear from Hemp becoming a viable cash crop. Look at all the hippy granola crap out there made from Hemp, imagine if a large corporation did that on a large scale... they would decimate their competition because their base product is cheaper to produce. Right now it is a relatively expensive license to produce hemp products and you are severly limited on your production.

"Follow the rich white guy" and you'll find your reason :) The political agenda and its offshoots stems from corporations like so many other policies. I'm not a hippy, and I'm not against money... just pointing it out. Minus the effects legalizing mary jane would have on the afformentioned industries, I'm with the - Everything in moderation - crowd. Smoking pot is pretty low on the list of things that will harm you in relative terms... like so many have pointed out, tobacco and alchohol have far worse side effects... i feel that argument is to tu quoque though. Life has risks, its not the governments job to tell you what you can and can't do when the only person you are directly affecting is yourself. Just like lowering the drinking age... there would a surge, then normalization... ever been to Europe? Also you would be eliminating a large portion of drug dealers business... also the gateway aspect is more like, a drug dealer gets you in with weed then steps you up to something more addictive... if you know a guy who sells pot, you prolly also know a guy who sells X, coke, speed, etc.

Sure there are some a$$hats that will abuse it and indirectly have detrimental effects on other people (spouses, children, pets, whatever), but if it wasn't pot it could be anything... video games, beanie babies, ebay, drinking, etc... anything can be addictive to the right person. Self control and moderation go miles to keeping you healthy. Its just something recreational for most people, do you like the sensation a good book gives you? a good movie? a good beer? a good cigar? a tasty steak? I like hanging out with friends and relaxing over a bowl in addition to those things. Everything is relative, just waking up and walking out into the world is a hazard to your life... why obsess about it?

*** This post is not all inclusive, or superlative... just trying to touch on a few things that are being discussed, if you want to have more dialogue and discussion (funtastic arguing) PM me ***
 

Proletariat

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Well I completed a project today that I've been working on for 1-1/2 years, so not only am I going to smoke some copious quantities of Skunk #1 later, after I take the better half to a dinner involving numerous dead animals, I'm also going to smoke a lovely Cuban cigar I brought back from Hong Kong.

So somebody call me a doctor before I go psychotic and/or die of lung cancer and/or high levels of cholesterol.

But do it tomorrow, please.
You blaze dude?
 

gigapet

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Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
They need to legalize pot and tax it like they do cigarettes, booze, and gambling.

#1 cash crop in the US and its not taxed! estimated 30 billion in sales per year!!!! I am sure that could pay for a preliminary invasion of some country that needs democracy.


back to the OP: this is just more typical misinformation and propaganda.
 

imported_hscorpio

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Originally posted by: jonjonsanfru
One of the few Doonesbury Strips I like.

The whole "Reefer Madness" Dupont story is that the male hemp plant was competition to the cotton industry. To combat this they started "Reefer Madness." They made criminal associations to the female strain, including insanity/violence/it caused black people to be less intelligent... etc, hence the term Reefer Madness. By criminalizing the female strain, the male strain was also made illegal. At the time cotton was a labor intensive operation, requiring a large labor force... in order to be competitive, that labor source needed to be cheap (slaves). Picking the cotton from the plants, removing the seeds, spooling needs lots of hands. The Hemp plant on the other hand only needed to be pulled from the ground and shucked of its leaves, everything else was usable fiber. Then a quick dip in some chemicals to seperate the fibers, walla insta product. Not to mention the actual durability of the Hemp plant, its resistance to disease, hardiness, and its ability to grow almost anywhere... this was a major problem for Plantation owners who had established a cushy lifestyle on the backs of slaves.

So just like today, they used of propaganda, misdirection and $$ to get rid of the competition. This is the source of criminalized marijuana. Today any fiber manufacturer, whether cotton/paper/some consumer level petroleum based products, has a lot to fear from Hemp becoming a viable cash crop. Look at all the hippy granola crap out there made from Hemp, imagine if a large corporation did that on a large scale... they would decimate their competition because their base product is cheaper to produce. Right now it is a relatively expensive license to produce hemp products and you are severly limited on your production.

"Follow the rich white guy" and you'll find your reason :) The political agenda and its offshoots stems from corporations like so many other policies. I'm not a hippy, and I'm not against money... just pointing it out. Minus the effects legalizing mary jane would have on the afformentioned industries, I'm with the - Everything in moderation - crowd. Smoking pot is pretty low on the list of things that will harm you in relative terms... like so many have pointed out, tobacco and alchohol have far worse side effects... i feel that argument is to tu quoque though. Life has risks, its not the governments job to tell you what you can and can't do when the only person you are directly affecting is yourself. Just like lowering the drinking age... there would a surge, then normalization... ever been to Europe? Also you would be eliminating a large portion of drug dealers business... also the gateway aspect is more like, a drug dealer gets you in with weed then steps you up to something more addictive... if you know a guy who sells pot, you prolly also know a guy who sells X, coke, speed, etc.

Sure there are some a$$hats that will abuse it and indirectly have detrimental effects on other people (spouses, children, pets, whatever), but if it wasn't pot it could be anything... video games, beanie babies, ebay, drinking, etc... anything can be addictive to the right person. Self control and moderation go miles to keeping you healthy. Its just something recreational for most people, do you like the sensation a good book gives you? a good movie? a good beer? a good cigar? a tasty steak? I like hanging out with friends and relaxing over a bowl in addition to those things. Everything is relative, just waking up and walking out into the world is a hazard to your life... why obsess about it?

*** This post is not all inclusive, or superlative... just trying to touch on a few things that are being discussed, if you want to have more dialogue and discussion (funtastic arguing) PM me ***

:thumbsup:
Actually the "hemp conspiracy", was suppossed to be more about paper than cotton. Hearst owned a lot of timber land used for paper pulp, that was in competition with hemp paper. Dupont, at the time, was very involved in the chemicals used in the processing of wood puplp. Dupont was also coming out with synthetic fibers like nylon and rayon that hemp would also compete with. Andrew Mellon was the treasury secratary at the time and appointed Anslinger to run the newly created federal bureau of narcotics, the predecessor to the DEA. Note that the FBN was created in 1932, right before alcohol prohibition ended. Anslinger was married to Mellons niece and Mellons bank was the main financial backer of Dupont. So the "hemp conspiracy" is that Hearst created the the marijuana menace using sensationalist stories in his newspapers. The term marijuana was used since no one would think it was hemp and to associate it with the people who primarily used it, mexicans. Then Anslinger used the fear and misinformation created by Hearst's stories to pass the marijuana tax act in 1937.

Personally I don't really buy the whole hemp conspiracy. I doubt those men ever discussed any plan, but were just pursuing their own greedy self interests. Hearst probably only published all those reefer madness stories just because sensationalism and fear slod newspapers. ANslinger went a long with it because he needed some reason to have a job now that enforcement of alcohol prohibition was no longer necessary. Also if you watch the Hemp for Victory video you'll see that the US was still using hemp after the marijuana tax act of 1937. The hemp was imported from Asia though. I think thats one of the reasons that hemp producers never really protested the tax act all that much, since hemp was already becoming less profitable to grow due to the competition from cheap imported hemp.

 

Howard

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Rip, higher potency of marijuana is a good thing. To absorb the same amount of THC, you smoke less of it, which obviously reduces tar intake (and other crap, if any). Did that fly over your head?
 

BBond

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Originally posted by: Proletariat
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Well I completed a project today that I've been working on for 1-1/2 years, so not only am I going to smoke some copious quantities of Skunk #1 later, after I take the better half to a dinner involving numerous dead animals, I'm also going to smoke a lovely Cuban cigar I brought back from Hong Kong.

So somebody call me a doctor before I go psychotic and/or die of lung cancer and/or high levels of cholesterol.

But do it tomorrow, please.
You blaze dude?

All the right wingers do. They're just hypocrites about their drug use. They want to fill prisons with "left wing druggies" while they smoke their #1 skunk at parties.

Are you surprised?
 

Howard

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Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: Proletariat
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Well I completed a project today that I've been working on for 1-1/2 years, so not only am I going to smoke some copious quantities of Skunk #1 later, after I take the better half to a dinner involving numerous dead animals, I'm also going to smoke a lovely Cuban cigar I brought back from Hong Kong.

So somebody call me a doctor before I go psychotic and/or die of lung cancer and/or high levels of cholesterol.

But do it tomorrow, please.
You blaze dude?

All the right wingers do. They're just hypocrites about their drug use. They want to fill prisons with "left wing druggies" while they smoke their #1 skunk at parties.

Are you surprised?
There's something about this argument that I should point out, but I can't exactly put my finger on it...
 
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I see what your saying. We really don't truly know what will happen in regards to usage rates once marijuana is decriminalized, but we do have some indicators. In the US if you compare usage rates between states that have reduced possession of less than a certain amount to a misdemeanor with states that still have very harsh felony laws; the rates of use are still very similar.

We can also study the Netherlands usage rate. I think you might be giving prohibition more credit than is due, in regards to it's "benefits" on marijuana's usage/popularity.
Although the rate of use may be similar in less-criminalized locals equally to criminalized locations could be attributed to social differences between states, fear of capture those who sell still feel and federal penalties that preclude you from receiving fin-aid or even that the product has yet to be put through proper American marketing. The difference in decriminalization in the Netherlands could be directly related to the social differences, in that those in the Netherlands have had the life experience to know how to deal with massively available marijuana *admittedly a transitional problem*

you make a point that's hard to refute.
I don't ignore they exist, but can see that the harms so easily outweigh the benefits that its unthinkable for me that someone can continue to support the current marijuana laws.
it's wrong to send a man to jail for smoking herb... but i don't think it's something that should be given to the free market either.
 

ITJunkie

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Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: nutxo
It's amazing what a person can be attacked for in this hole.

I don't see anybody being attacked, people are just pointing out that maybe getting all worked up about one particular habit that could be damaging seems a little silly. A study comparing "regular" users of weed to regular users of alcohol would probably be very interesting.

Now that would be a study worth reading!