Originally posted by: palehorse74
so they cant freely do drugs?
gee, im crying real tears.
f'n losers.
the mistakes I made during my life are irrelevant; as are yours. We are speaking about the lives of children, now and in the future.Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: palehorse74
so they cant freely do drugs?
gee, im crying real tears.
f'n losers.
So in your whole life you never went to a school dance and slipped out and had a snort or two? Were you a virgin when you got married too?
:laugh:
Originally posted by: palehorse74
the mistakes I made during my life are irrelevant; as are yours. We are speaking about the lives of children, now and in the future.Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: palehorse74
so they cant freely do drugs?
gee, im crying real tears.
f'n losers.
So in your whole life you never went to a school dance and slipped out and had a snort or two? Were you a virgin when you got married too?
:laugh:
Drugs are for losers and sick people. period.
which one are you?
Originally posted by: palehorse74
the mistakes I made during my life are irrelevant; as are yours. We are speaking about the lives of children, now and in the future.Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: palehorse74
so they cant freely do drugs?
gee, im crying real tears.
f'n losers.
So in your whole life you never went to a school dance and slipped out and had a snort or two? Were you a virgin when you got married too?
:laugh:
Drugs are for losers and sick people. period.
which one are you?
I dont understand your question. Whose? What are you talking about?Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: palehorse74
the mistakes I made during my life are irrelevant; as are yours. We are speaking about the lives of children, now and in the future.Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: palehorse74
so they cant freely do drugs?
gee, im crying real tears.
f'n losers.
So in your whole life you never went to a school dance and slipped out and had a snort or two? Were you a virgin when you got married too?
:laugh:
Drugs are for losers and sick people. period.
which one are you?
Your mistakes are "irrelevant", but theirs is not?
I completely agree with you in all things other than criminal activities. Anything that can assist in limiting our childrens' expsoure to criminal behavior IS a good thing. Being responsible for your mistakes, and accountable, are key to teaching you right from wrong. And a child who pops positive on a drug test, preventing him from playing footbal, thus letting his teammates and friends down, IS a powerful lesson in right v. wrong.Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: palehorse74
the mistakes I made during my life are irrelevant; as are yours. We are speaking about the lives of children, now and in the future.Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: palehorse74
so they cant freely do drugs?
gee, im crying real tears.
f'n losers.
So in your whole life you never went to a school dance and slipped out and had a snort or two? Were you a virgin when you got married too?
:laugh:
Drugs are for losers and sick people. period.
which one are you?
I don't think their irrelevant at all. The point is that attempts like this to make growing up mistake free are based on this stupid idea people seem to develop as they get older that mistakes you make as a kid are the absolute end of the world. Never mind that most adults have made their fair share of mistakes getting to where they are, and maybe even learned something from them, there is this feeling that we're doing a good service for kids by blowing little mistakes totally out of proportion. We made it through ok, yet we're convinced that our kids won't unless we act like a bunch of paranoid lunatics.
Originally posted by: palehorse74
I completely agree with you in all things other than criminal activities. Anything that can assist in limiting our childrens' expsoure to criminal behavior IS a good thing. Being responsible for your mistakes, and accountable, are key to teaching you right from wrong. And a child who pops positive on a drug test, preventing him from playing footbal, thus letting his teammates and friends down, IS a powerful lesson in right v. wrong.Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: palehorse74
the mistakes I made during my life are irrelevant; as are yours. We are speaking about the lives of children, now and in the future.Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: palehorse74
so they cant freely do drugs?
gee, im crying real tears.
f'n losers.
So in your whole life you never went to a school dance and slipped out and had a snort or two? Were you a virgin when you got married too?
:laugh:
Drugs are for losers and sick people. period.
which one are you?
I don't think their irrelevant at all. The point is that attempts like this to make growing up mistake free are based on this stupid idea people seem to develop as they get older that mistakes you make as a kid are the absolute end of the world. Never mind that most adults have made their fair share of mistakes getting to where they are, and maybe even learned something from them, there is this feeling that we're doing a good service for kids by blowing little mistakes totally out of proportion. We made it through ok, yet we're convinced that our kids won't unless we act like a bunch of paranoid lunatics.
Originally posted by: palehorse74
the mistakes I made during my life are irrelevant; as are yours. We are speaking about the lives of children, now and in the future.Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: palehorse74
so they cant freely do drugs?
gee, im crying real tears.
f'n losers.
So in your whole life you never went to a school dance and slipped out and had a snort or two? Were you a virgin when you got married too?
:laugh:
Drugs are for losers and sick people. period.
which one are you?
Originally posted by: palehorse74
I dont understand your question. Whose? What are you talking about?Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: palehorse74
the mistakes I made during my life are irrelevant; as are yours. We are speaking about the lives of children, now and in the future.Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: palehorse74
so they cant freely do drugs?
gee, im crying real tears.
f'n losers.
So in your whole life you never went to a school dance and slipped out and had a snort or two? Were you a virgin when you got married too?
:laugh:
Drugs are for losers and sick people. period.
which one are you?
Your mistakes are "irrelevant", but theirs is not?
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: palehorse74
I dont understand your question. Whose? What are you talking about?Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: palehorse74
the mistakes I made during my life are irrelevant; as are yours. We are speaking about the lives of children, now and in the future.Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: palehorse74
so they cant freely do drugs?
gee, im crying real tears.
f'n losers.
So in your whole life you never went to a school dance and slipped out and had a snort or two? Were you a virgin when you got married too?
:laugh:
Drugs are for losers and sick people. period.
which one are you?
Your mistakes are "irrelevant", but theirs is not?
I thought my use or "is" instead of "are" might cause confusion, but not "whose". Obviously not "yours" since it's irrelevant, I'd guess it's those who are being forced to take drug tests and if they fail their lives could carry a mark that yours doesn't.
Thank God they aren't taking away their guns, I suppose.
Originally posted by: palehorse74
I do believe that random drug tests among teenagers would be a very effective deterant. I know way too many friends from HS whose lives were ruined by drugs for me to resist reasonable methods of control.
whoa there.. let's try to keep it relevant..lolOriginally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: palehorse74
I do believe that random drug tests among teenagers would be a very effective deterant. I know way too many friends from HS whose lives were ruined by drugs for me to resist reasonable methods of control.
I have some froends who got screwed up by drugs too, but I know that more of them were screwed up by Vietnam.
Originally posted by: palehorse74
whoa there.. let's try to keep it relevant..lolOriginally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: palehorse74
I do believe that random drug tests among teenagers would be a very effective deterant. I know way too many friends from HS whose lives were ruined by drugs for me to resist reasonable methods of control.
I have some froends who got screwed up by drugs too, but I know that more of them were screwed up by Vietnam.
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: palehorse74
whoa there.. let's try to keep it relevant..lolOriginally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: palehorse74
I do believe that random drug tests among teenagers would be a very effective deterant. I know way too many friends from HS whose lives were ruined by drugs for me to resist reasonable methods of control.
I have some froends who got screwed up by drugs too, but I know that more of them were screwed up by Vietnam.
I take it you don't like that comparison? I think it's part of the bigger picture. We have young people getting killed in war right now who never reached the age where they could go into a bar and have a drink with some friends. We at least ought to allow them to have a few drinks at a school dance.
I guess alot of what I'm saying depends on their ages, but by the time kids are in their Junior or Senior year they should be old enough to make some personal choices. Just because one person can't handle their < insert whatever here> doesn't mean someone else can't, so if it's not hurting anybody else then is it really our business??
Originally posted by: BoberFett
And it's your business what state of mind somebody is in while at school because.... why?Originally posted by: Wheezer
The hole in that statement is this...what if your drug use is 5 minutes before the scheduled start of school or an activity sponsored by the school? That time is still considered "outside school"...right? The effects of the drug(s) will not wear off in 5 minutes though. So when you attend you are under the infuence, therfore violating policy.
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Again, people do drugs because of the hope of anonymity. Few people would take them if they were sure to get caught. What is the problem of insuring that those who break the law suffer the consequences of their illegal actions. Obey and you are safe, no?
A deeper question, in my opinion, is whether drug laws should be legal. On what theory of freedom do we tell other people what they can do with their own bodies?
The problem I have with it is that in this country your supposed to be considered innocent until proven guilty. How can they justify forced testing of all the kids? They are sending the message that you are considered guilty until proven innocent. They will get used to being considered guilty until proven innocent as the norm and that will (IMO) have long term consequences of everybodies freedom.
Is that worth it to keep a few kids from drinking or smoking a few joints on a night out?
Yes, there are deeper issues here, but we will cross that bridge when we come to it. First we should stop our backward slide into surfdom.
If you test a bunch of people for drugs how does that assume they are guilty. Nobody who is not has a thing to worry about, no, except for the false positive? We used to trust athletes not to use drugs on an honor system, no, and what they did is cheated. And you make people guilty by creating law, no? People are innocent if there is no law. It's the police that write you a ticket that make you guilty, no? How is a red light different than a drug test? You create red light runners when you put the light up and drug offenders when you give the test. Looks the same to me.
Originally posted by: palehorse74
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: palehorse74
whoa there.. let's try to keep it relevant..lolOriginally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: palehorse74
I do believe that random drug tests among teenagers would be a very effective deterant. I know way too many friends from HS whose lives were ruined by drugs for me to resist reasonable methods of control.
I have some froends who got screwed up by drugs too, but I know that more of them were screwed up by Vietnam.
I take it you don't like that comparison? I think it's part of the bigger picture. We have young people getting killed in war right now who never reached the age where they could go into a bar and have a drink with some friends. We at least ought to allow them to have a few drinks at a school dance.
I guess alot of what I'm saying depends on their ages, but by the time kids are in their Junior or Senior year they should be old enough to make some personal choices. Just because one person can't handle their < insert whatever here> doesn't mean someone else can't, so if it's not hurting anybody else then is it really our business??
yes, it is, because drug use almost always ends up hurting someone else. period.
Originally posted by: Wheezer
If corporations wish to drug test anyone and anyone they have that right but then we would be in the same argument with different players. I don't understand why kids should have the same rights that adults do, they don't....if they want the same rights fine, but they should also be prepared to pay the price just like adults do.
Most places of employment make you take a drug test, and some even maintain random testing so what is the problem? Are you gonna argue at your interview that you feel that it violates your rights to take a urine test? When your boss tells you that your name was drawn for random testing are you gonna fight it because it is "not fair"? Not unless you have something to hide. If you refuse, clean or not you could be disciplined for refusing....is it worth it?
Is it because this was sanctioned by a school? Well let them put it up for a vote and if it passes then it sticks....I really don't understand what the problem is.
Originally posted by: Wheezer
If corporations wish to drug test anyone and anyone they have that right but then we would be in the same argument with different players. I don't understand why kids should have the same rights that adults do, they don't....if they want the same rights fine, but they should also be prepared to pay the price just like adults do.
Most places of employment make you take a drug test, and some even maintain random testing so what is the problem? Are you gonna argue at your interview that you feel that it violates your rights to take a urine test? When your boss tells you that your name was drawn for random testing are you gonna fight it because it is "not fair"? Not unless you have something to hide. If you refuse, clean or not you could be disciplined for refusing....is it worth it?
Is it because this was sanctioned by a school? Well let them put it up for a vote and if it passes then it sticks....I really don't understand what the problem is.
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: Wheezer
If corporations wish to drug test anyone and anyone they have that right but then we would be in the same argument with different players. I don't understand why kids should have the same rights that adults do, they don't....if they want the same rights fine, but they should also be prepared to pay the price just like adults do.
Most places of employment make you take a drug test, and some even maintain random testing so what is the problem? Are you gonna argue at your interview that you feel that it violates your rights to take a urine test? When your boss tells you that your name was drawn for random testing are you gonna fight it because it is "not fair"? Not unless you have something to hide. If you refuse, clean or not you could be disciplined for refusing....is it worth it?
Is it because this was sanctioned by a school? Well let them put it up for a vote and if it passes then it sticks....I really don't understand what the problem is.
Why should you have to pee in a bottle to get a job? Can't they just hire you based on your resume and interview?
How long do you think it will be before they start checking your DNA to screen for people who might be high risk for cancer, diabtes, heart attack, etc.? You know those things are going to eat into profits and if a coporation wants to check for them then they have that right.
If they can make you pee in a bottle for a drug test then it won't be long until they will make you submit to DNA screening.