• We’re currently investigating an issue related to the forum theme and styling that is impacting page layout and visual formatting. The problem has been identified, and we are actively working on a resolution. There is no impact to user data or functionality, this is strictly a front-end display issue. We’ll post an update once the fix has been deployed. Thanks for your patience while we get this sorted.

Small Town KS Embraces Big Brother

5to1baby1in5

Golden Member
Link

EL DORADO, KAN. - Random drug testing of student athletes has become as routine as study hall and lunch at many high schools across the country. But this factory town outside Wichita is taking testing to the extreme.

It is instituting random drug screening for all middle and high school students participating in ? or even just attending ? any extracurricular activity. That includes sports, clubs, field trips, driver?s education, even school plays.

Those who don?t sign consent forms cannot attend games, go to school dances, join a club or so much as park their car on school property.

Administrators insist the district does not have a drug problem, and say the new policy ? one of the toughest in the nation ? is aimed at keeping it that way.

?We see this in the best interest of our students. We don?t see this is a punitive measure,? said Superintendent Tom Biggs.

Since the policy was enacted this school year, at least 425 students out of 600 high schoolers, and 215 of the 315 middle school students, have signed forms consenting to random urine tests for alcohol, tobacco and drugs. No one has been tested yet, and school officials don?t want to tip off students about when the first random drug test will be conducted.

Privacy concerns
Brett Shirk, executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union of Kansas and Western Missouri, questioned the constitutionality of the practice.

?That policy invades the privacy of students that need deterrence and risks steering those students to a greater risk of substance abuse that makes the drug problems worse,? Shirk said. Some authorities said that excluding students from extracurricular activities will just lead them into deeper trouble.

Some students, including 17-year-old Aurelia Resa, said they are offended by the policy. ?What you do outside of school isn?t anybody?s business but yours,? Resa said. ?They should be able to respect your privacy.?

But 16-year-old softball player Lauren Roedel said: ?I don?t have a problem with it, because I don?t do drugs.?

A 2002 Supreme Court ruling opened the door to drug-testing of athletes, and the federal government has promoted drug testing, awarding $7.5 million in grants last year to help schools start such programs.

The White House drug-policy office estimates 2,000 public and private districts conduct drug tests. The National School Boards Association has reported that 5 percent of public school districts test athletes and 2 percent test students involved in extracurricular activities.

?It is really a rural and suburban policy issue. Almost no major school districts have implemented random drug testing programs in major cities and urban areas,? said Jennifer Kern, a researcher for the New York-based Drug Policy Alliance, which promotes non-criminal alternatives in fighting drugs.

Results won't be reported to police
School officials in El Dorado, a town of 12,660 where the biggest employers are a refinery and a balloon factory, say that under the new policy, covering grades 7 to 12, positive test results will not be reported to police and will not affect a student?s academic participation.

But parents will be notified, and offenders will be suspended from extracurricular activities, the penalty escalating from two weeks to more than four months for repeat violations.

Rod Bieker, general counsel for the Kansas Department of Education, said of El Dorado?s all-encompassing policy: ?No one is going to know whether that is constitutional or not.?

In 1999, a federal court struck down a school policy in Lockney, Texas, that required drug testing of all youngsters in grades 6 through 12, whether or not there was any suspicion of drug use.

Dave Adams, the father of a 17-year-old student at El Dorado High and a city police officer, said the district?s previous rules about drugs and alcohol were weak and tolerated bad behavior.

?I think all too often we want to let things slide because we put winning before anything else,? Adams said. ?At this age level we need to be teaching fundamentals ? good sportsmanship and good citizenship.?

Pam Coley, who has 14- and 16-year-old daughters at the school, said drug testing is ?no big deal? and most parents in the community support it.

?There probably has been way too much leniency in the, past and things kind of swing one way or the other,? she said. ?El Dorado is a fairly conservative community, and Kansas is, too.?
-------------------------------------------

This is really sad, that the local government is acting to turn their children into spineless sheep at such a young age (middle school ferchristsake).

But 16-year-old softball player Lauren Roedel said: ?I don?t have a problem with it, because I don?t do drugs.?

This sums up the mentality that is leading to the erosion of every civil liberty we have.

I lived in this shiit-hole for seven years, and using drugs is the only form of entertainment they have down there. Just breathing the air there is probably worse for you than anything drugs could do (refinery town).

BTW, they pronounce the town's name 'El-Doh-Ray-Doh'. If you call it 'El-Doh-Rah-Doh' you will be chastized moste severly. Backwards assed numbnuts.
 
That state is run almost from top to bottom by evangelical retards.


"I'm Sam Brownback and I support this message"
 
Originally posted by: 5to1baby1in5
Link

EL DORADO, KAN. - Random drug testing of student athletes has become as routine as study hall and lunch at many high schools across the country. But this factory town outside Wichita is taking testing to the extreme.

It is instituting random drug screening for all middle and high school students participating in ? or even just attending ? any extracurricular activity. That includes sports, clubs, field trips, driver?s education, even school plays.

Those who don?t sign consent forms cannot attend games, go to school dances, join a club or so much as park their car on school property.

Administrators insist the district does not have a drug problem, and say the new policy ? one of the toughest in the nation ? is aimed at keeping it that way.

?We see this in the best interest of our students. We don?t see this is a punitive measure,? said Superintendent Tom Biggs.

Since the policy was enacted this school year, at least 425 students out of 600 high schoolers, and 215 of the 315 middle school students, have signed forms consenting to random urine tests for alcohol, tobacco and drugs. No one has been tested yet, and school officials don?t want to tip off students about when the first random drug test will be conducted.

Privacy concerns
Brett Shirk, executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union of Kansas and Western Missouri, questioned the constitutionality of the practice.

?That policy invades the privacy of students that need deterrence and risks steering those students to a greater risk of substance abuse that makes the drug problems worse,? Shirk said. Some authorities said that excluding students from extracurricular activities will just lead them into deeper trouble.

Some students, including 17-year-old Aurelia Resa, said they are offended by the policy. ?What you do outside of school isn?t anybody?s business but yours,? Resa said. ?They should be able to respect your privacy.?

But 16-year-old softball player Lauren Roedel said: ?I don?t have a problem with it, because I don?t do drugs.?

A 2002 Supreme Court ruling opened the door to drug-testing of athletes, and the federal government has promoted drug testing, awarding $7.5 million in grants last year to help schools start such programs.

The White House drug-policy office estimates 2,000 public and private districts conduct drug tests. The National School Boards Association has reported that 5 percent of public school districts test athletes and 2 percent test students involved in extracurricular activities.

?It is really a rural and suburban policy issue. Almost no major school districts have implemented random drug testing programs in major cities and urban areas,? said Jennifer Kern, a researcher for the New York-based Drug Policy Alliance, which promotes non-criminal alternatives in fighting drugs.

Results won't be reported to police
School officials in El Dorado, a town of 12,660 where the biggest employers are a refinery and a balloon factory, say that under the new policy, covering grades 7 to 12, positive test results will not be reported to police and will not affect a student?s academic participation.

But parents will be notified, and offenders will be suspended from extracurricular activities, the penalty escalating from two weeks to more than four months for repeat violations.

Rod Bieker, general counsel for the Kansas Department of Education, said of El Dorado?s all-encompassing policy: ?No one is going to know whether that is constitutional or not.?

In 1999, a federal court struck down a school policy in Lockney, Texas, that required drug testing of all youngsters in grades 6 through 12, whether or not there was any suspicion of drug use.

Dave Adams, the father of a 17-year-old student at El Dorado High and a city police officer, said the district?s previous rules about drugs and alcohol were weak and tolerated bad behavior.

?I think all too often we want to let things slide because we put winning before anything else,? Adams said. ?At this age level we need to be teaching fundamentals ? good sportsmanship and good citizenship.?

Pam Coley, who has 14- and 16-year-old daughters at the school, said drug testing is ?no big deal? and most parents in the community support it.

?There probably has been way too much leniency in the, past and things kind of swing one way or the other,? she said. ?El Dorado is a fairly conservative community, and Kansas is, too.?
-------------------------------------------

This is really sad, that the local government is acting to turn their children into spineless sheep at such a young age (middle school ferchristsake).

But 16-year-old softball player Lauren Roedel said: ?I don?t have a problem with it, because I don?t do drugs.?

This sums up the mentality that is leading to the erosion of every civil liberty we have.

I lived in this shiit-hole for seven years, and using drugs is the only form of entertainment they have down there. Just breathing the air there is probably worse for you than anything drugs could do (refinery town).

BTW, they pronounce the town's name 'El-Doh-Ray-Doh'. If you call it 'El-Doh-Rah-Doh' you will be chastized moste severly. Backwards assed numbnuts.

Sorry but this is the New Republican America, you're either with us or against us.

Guess you are against us, why do you hate America???
 
Again, people do drugs because of the hope of anonymity. Few people would take them if they were sure to get caught. What is the problem of insuring that those who break the law suffer the consequences of their illegal actions. Obey and you are safe, no?

A deeper question, in my opinion, is whether drug laws should be legal. On what theory of freedom do we tell other people what they can do with their own bodies?
 
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Again, people do drugs because of the hope of anonymity. Few people would take them if they were sure to get caught. What is the problem of insuring that those who break the law suffer the consequences of their illegal actions. Obey and you are safe, no?

A deeper question, in my opinion, is whether drug laws should be legal.

On what theory of freedom do we tell other people what they can do with their own bodies?

What??? :shocked:

That's the new American way.

Why do you hate America??? 😕
 
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Again, people do drugs because of the hope of anonymity. Few people would take them if they were sure to get caught. What is the problem of insuring that those who break the law suffer the consequences of their illegal actions. Obey and you are safe, no?

A deeper question, in my opinion, is whether drug laws should be legal. On what theory of freedom do we tell other people what they can do with their own bodies?



We do the same with assisted suicide.

But back to drugs, I read an article a few weeks back about Amsterdam and how even though it's legal, less people smoke pot than here in the US, per capita wise. The reason, according to the person interviewed, a lot of drug use in the US is due to the fact that it is illegal, there's a thrill to be had by some in that fact alone. So the myth that if we legalized drugs, everyone would become a drug crazed manic robbing and raping to get their fix is completely baseless. Not to mention that the Dutch have the most sophisticated levee system in the world, if they were all doped up I doubt they could accomplish that, as opposed to us, who can't protect New Orleans.

Legalize some drugs, tax them like alcohol = Social Security solvency.
 
A deeper question, in my opinion, is whether drug laws should be legal. On what theory of freedom do we tell other people what they can do with their own bodies?

Moonbeam, a clown after my own heart. (Not that way sicko's)
 
Some students, including 17-year-old Aurelia Resa, said they are offended by the policy. ?What you do outside of school isn?t anybody?s business but yours,? Resa said. ?They should be able to respect your privacy.?

The hole in that statement is this...what if your drug use is 5 minutes before the scheduled start of school or an activity sponsored by the school? That time is still considered "outside school"...right? The effects of the drug(s) will not wear off in 5 minutes though. So when you attend you are under the infuence, therfore violating policy. If there are drugs in you system and you get popped of course your gonna say it was from the weekend....no moron is going to admit they smoked on on the way from the house to school. Since there is no way to gauge a timeframe in which the drugs were consumed one has to assume that they were taken recently and that student or students is a potential hazard to others including the staff.

I doubt any of the students would have a problem if they started to randomly drug test the teachers. (which they should)

People assume that this is done by the school just because they can, that no one attends classes or functions high or drunk. Obviously that is not the case, they have had enough expereince with students under the influence, those that show no self control have unfortunately brought this on those around them and that it has come to this. If you are gonna get high fine...do it on your own time, but be warned that even if you do it 24 hours before s school a function, that the drugs may be in your system and you may pay the price. You do have a choice......

I lived in this shiit-hole for seven years, and using drugs is the only form of entertainment they have down there.

that is just lame........if that was the case then every student would be on drugs and that obviously is not the case....it was your choice of entertainment, not everyones.
 
Originally posted by: Wheezer
Some students, including 17-year-old Aurelia Resa, said they are offended by the policy. ?What you do outside of school isn?t anybody?s business but yours,? Resa said. ?They should be able to respect your privacy.?

The hole in that statement is this...what if your drug use is 5 minutes before the scheduled start of school or an activity sponsored by the school? That time is still considered "outside school"...right? The effects of the drug(s) will not wear off in 5 minutes though. So when you attend you are under the infuence, therfore violating policy. If there are drugs in you system and you get popped of course your gonna say it was from the weekend....no moron is going to admit they smoked on on the way from the house to school. Since there is no way to gauge a timeframe in which the drugs were consumed one has to assume that they were taken recently and that student or students is a potential hazard to others including the staff.

I doubt any of the students would have a problem if they started to randomly drug test the teachers. (which they should)

People assume that this is done by the school just because they can, that no one attends classes or functions high or drunk. Obviously that is not the case, they have had enough expereince with students under the influence, those that show no self control have unfortunately brought this on those around them and that it has come to this. If you are gonna get high fine...do it on your own time, but be warned that even if you do it 24 hours before s school a function, that the drugs may be in your system and you may pay the price. You do have a choice......

I lived in this shiit-hole for seven years, and using drugs is the only form of entertainment they have down there.

that is just lame........if that was the case then every student would be on drugs and that obviously is not the case....it was your choice of entertainment, not everyones.



It's actually around 30 days, try again.
 
that is just lame........if that was the case then every student would be on drugs and that obviously is not the case....it was your choice of entertainment, not everyones.

Umm, never said I did drugs in KS, just said I lived there. I had the option of getting out of town to do stuff. The kids down there could only eat fast food for fun (lots of those places in El Dorado).

The hole in that statement is this...what if your drug use is 5 minutes before the scheduled start of school or an activity sponsored by the school? That time is still considered "outside school"...right? The effects of the drug(s) will not wear off in 5 minutes though. So when you attend you are under the infuence, therfore violating policy. If there are drugs in you system and you get popped of course your gonna say it was from the weekend....no moron is going to admit they smoked on on the way from the house to school.

You are aware that you can test for the actual drugs in a person's blood, and not just the metabolites which can be present for up to 30 days. No, you probably aren't.
 
Originally posted by: Wheezer
If you are gonna get high fine...do it on your own time, but be warned that even if you do it 24 hours before s school a function, that the drugs may be in your system and you may pay the price. You do have a choice......

If I smoke up on a Friday night, I would fail a drug test on Monday (and perhaps much longer after that, depending on the frequency of smoking), so no, one is not allowed to do anything on one's own time.

The simplest solution is to simply kick out the disruptive students (whether they are high, drunk or just being jackasses), but you control freaks simply can't live with something as simple as "live and let live".
 
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Again, people do drugs because of the hope of anonymity. Few people would take them if they were sure to get caught. What is the problem of insuring that those who break the law suffer the consequences of their illegal actions. Obey and you are safe, no?

A deeper question, in my opinion, is whether drug laws should be legal. On what theory of freedom do we tell other people what they can do with their own bodies?

The problem I have with it is that in this country your supposed to be considered innocent until proven guilty. How can they justify forced testing of all the kids? They are sending the message that you are considered guilty until proven innocent. They will get used to being considered guilty until proven innocent as the norm and that will (IMO) have long term consequences of everybodies freedom.

Is that worth it to keep a few kids from drinking or smoking a few joints on a night out?

Yes, there are deeper issues here, but we will cross that bridge when we come to it. First we should stop our backward slide into surfdom.
 
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

The problem I have with it is that in this country your supposed to be considered innocent until proven guilty. How can they justify forced testing of all the kids?

They are sending the message that you are considered guilty until proven innocent.

They will get used to being considered guilty until proven innocent as the norm and that will (IMO) have long term consequences of everybodies freedom.

That is the new America, guilty till proven innocent with boatloads of money.
 
Administrators insist the district does not have a drug problem, and say the new policy ? one of the toughest in the nation ? is aimed at keeping it that way.

Wait...since they admit there's not a drug problem in the first place, why spend money on a non-existing problem? Surely that money can be directed elsewhere.
 
Originally posted by: ayabe
Originally posted by: Wheezer
Some students, including 17-year-old Aurelia Resa, said they are offended by the policy. ?What you do outside of school isn?t anybody?s business but yours,? Resa said. ?They should be able to respect your privacy.?

The hole in that statement is this...what if your drug use is 5 minutes before the scheduled start of school or an activity sponsored by the school? That time is still considered "outside school"...right? The effects of the drug(s) will not wear off in 5 minutes though. So when you attend you are under the infuence, therfore violating policy. If there are drugs in you system and you get popped of course your gonna say it was from the weekend....no moron is going to admit they smoked on on the way from the house to school. Since there is no way to gauge a timeframe in which the drugs were consumed one has to assume that they were taken recently and that student or students is a potential hazard to others including the staff.

I doubt any of the students would have a problem if they started to randomly drug test the teachers. (which they should)

People assume that this is done by the school just because they can, that no one attends classes or functions high or drunk. Obviously that is not the case, they have had enough expereince with students under the influence, those that show no self control have unfortunately brought this on those around them and that it has come to this. If you are gonna get high fine...do it on your own time, but be warned that even if you do it 24 hours before s school a function, that the drugs may be in your system and you may pay the price. You do have a choice......

I lived in this shiit-hole for seven years, and using drugs is the only form of entertainment they have down there.

that is just lame........if that was the case then every student would be on drugs and that obviously is not the case....it was your choice of entertainment, not everyones.



It's actually around 30 days, try again.


I fail to understand, what you fail to understand about my statement...of couse it does not leave your system in 24 hours...that was my point.

If a student say smokes a bowl, does some meth or injects themselves with some heroin on Sunday moring at 9:00AM in thier bedroom, they are not at school or at a school function are they? no. BUT in 24 hours they will be at school and if they are high that Monday morning is irrelevant to the fact that they have drugs in thier system isn't it?

So therefore, if they take a test and fail there is no way to conclusively tell when the drugs were consumed is there?

Which means there are only 2 things that can happen, the school can take the students word that it was from a weekend party, or they can assume that the kid got high before school and decided to attend classes that way, which they will do, but that is not really the point is it? The point is the student violated the policy by choice it does not matter when or how, because of that choice they will have to pay the consequences.


It's actually around 30 days, try again.

Actually that is not entirely true, I know for a fact that your system can be flushed and a urine test can be beat within 48 hours. (depending on the drug of choice)




 
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Again, people do drugs because of the hope of anonymity. Few people would take them if they were sure to get caught. What is the problem of insuring that those who break the law suffer the consequences of their illegal actions. Obey and you are safe, no?

A deeper question, in my opinion, is whether drug laws should be legal. On what theory of freedom do we tell other people what they can do with their own bodies?

The problem I have with it is that in this country your supposed to be considered innocent until proven guilty. How can they justify forced testing of all the kids? They are sending the message that you are considered guilty until proven innocent. They will get used to being considered guilty until proven innocent as the norm and that will (IMO) have long term consequences of everybodies freedom.

Is that worth it to keep a few kids from drinking or smoking a few joints on a night out?

Yes, there are deeper issues here, but we will cross that bridge when we come to it. First we should stop our backward slide into surfdom.

If you test a bunch of people for drugs how does that assume they are guilty. Nobody who is not has a thing to worry about, no, except for the false positive? We used to trust athletes not to use drugs on an honor system, no, and what they did is cheated. And you make people guilty by creating law, no? People are innocent if there is no law. It's the police that write you a ticket that make you guilty, no? How is a red light different than a drug test? You create red light runners when you put the light up and drug offenders when you give the test. Looks the same to me.
 
Originally posted by: Wheezer
Originally posted by: ayabe
Originally posted by: Wheezer
Some students, including 17-year-old Aurelia Resa, said they are offended by the policy. ?What you do outside of school isn?t anybody?s business but yours,? Resa said. ?They should be able to respect your privacy.?

The hole in that statement is this...what if your drug use is 5 minutes before the scheduled start of school or an activity sponsored by the school? That time is still considered "outside school"...right? The effects of the drug(s) will not wear off in 5 minutes though. So when you attend you are under the infuence, therfore violating policy. If there are drugs in you system and you get popped of course your gonna say it was from the weekend....no moron is going to admit they smoked on on the way from the house to school. Since there is no way to gauge a timeframe in which the drugs were consumed one has to assume that they were taken recently and that student or students is a potential hazard to others including the staff.

I doubt any of the students would have a problem if they started to randomly drug test the teachers. (which they should)

People assume that this is done by the school just because they can, that no one attends classes or functions high or drunk. Obviously that is not the case, they have had enough expereince with students under the influence, those that show no self control have unfortunately brought this on those around them and that it has come to this. If you are gonna get high fine...do it on your own time, but be warned that even if you do it 24 hours before s school a function, that the drugs may be in your system and you may pay the price. You do have a choice......

I lived in this shiit-hole for seven years, and using drugs is the only form of entertainment they have down there.

that is just lame........if that was the case then every student would be on drugs and that obviously is not the case....it was your choice of entertainment, not everyones.



It's actually around 30 days, try again.


I fail to understand, what you fail to understand about my statement...of couse it does not leave your system in 24 hours...that was my point.

If a student say smokes a bowl, does some meth or injects themselves with some heroin on Sunday moring at 9:00AM in thier bedroom, they are not at school or at a school function are they? no. BUT in 24 hours they will be at school and if they are high that Monday morning is irrelevant to the fact that they have drugs in thier system isn't it?

So therefore, if they take a test and fail there is no way to conclusively tell when the drugs were consumed is there?

Which means there are only 2 things that can happen, the school can take the students word that it was from a weekend party, or they can assume that the kid got high before school and decided to attend classes that way, which they will do, but that is not really the point is it? The point is the student violated the policy by choice it does not matter when or how, because of that choice they will have to pay the consequences.


It's actually around 30 days, try again.

Actually that is not entirely true, I know for a fact that your system can be flushed and a urine test can be beat within 48 hours. (depending on the drug of choice)

Well I would bet there aren't too many headshops in Kansas that sell that stuff, and most places will only admit the over 18 crowd. That aside, there's no reason to punish kids for something they did 3 weeks ago.
 
Originally posted by: ayabe
Well I would bet there aren't too many headshops in Kansas that sell that stuff, and most places will only admit the over 18 crowd.

That aside, there's no reason to punish kids for something they did 3 weeks ago.

Are you kidding?

They should be excommunicated out of the U.S. for being criminals and traitors.
 
Originally posted by: ayabe
Originally posted by: Wheezer
Originally posted by: ayabe
Originally posted by: Wheezer
Some students, including 17-year-old Aurelia Resa, said they are offended by the policy. ?What you do outside of school isn?t anybody?s business but yours,? Resa said. ?They should be able to respect your privacy.?

The hole in that statement is this...what if your drug use is 5 minutes before the scheduled start of school or an activity sponsored by the school? That time is still considered "outside school"...right? The effects of the drug(s) will not wear off in 5 minutes though. So when you attend you are under the infuence, therfore violating policy. If there are drugs in you system and you get popped of course your gonna say it was from the weekend....no moron is going to admit they smoked on on the way from the house to school. Since there is no way to gauge a timeframe in which the drugs were consumed one has to assume that they were taken recently and that student or students is a potential hazard to others including the staff.

I doubt any of the students would have a problem if they started to randomly drug test the teachers. (which they should)

People assume that this is done by the school just because they can, that no one attends classes or functions high or drunk. Obviously that is not the case, they have had enough expereince with students under the influence, those that show no self control have unfortunately brought this on those around them and that it has come to this. If you are gonna get high fine...do it on your own time, but be warned that even if you do it 24 hours before s school a function, that the drugs may be in your system and you may pay the price. You do have a choice......

I lived in this shiit-hole for seven years, and using drugs is the only form of entertainment they have down there.

that is just lame........if that was the case then every student would be on drugs and that obviously is not the case....it was your choice of entertainment, not everyones.



It's actually around 30 days, try again.


I fail to understand, what you fail to understand about my statement...of couse it does not leave your system in 24 hours...that was my point.

If a student say smokes a bowl, does some meth or injects themselves with some heroin on Sunday moring at 9:00AM in thier bedroom, they are not at school or at a school function are they? no. BUT in 24 hours they will be at school and if they are high that Monday morning is irrelevant to the fact that they have drugs in thier system isn't it?

So therefore, if they take a test and fail there is no way to conclusively tell when the drugs were consumed is there?

Which means there are only 2 things that can happen, the school can take the students word that it was from a weekend party, or they can assume that the kid got high before school and decided to attend classes that way, which they will do, but that is not really the point is it? The point is the student violated the policy by choice it does not matter when or how, because of that choice they will have to pay the consequences.


It's actually around 30 days, try again.

Actually that is not entirely true, I know for a fact that your system can be flushed and a urine test can be beat within 48 hours. (depending on the drug of choice)

Well I would bet there aren't too many headshops in Kansas that sell that stuff, and most places will only admit the over 18 crowd. That aside, there's no reason to punish kids for something they did 3 weeks ago.

actually you don't need anything special...but I digress


But how are you going to know when it was done? I mean they sorta loose credibility then they have drugs in thier system in the first place right? that kinda rules out taking thier word.

If a kid tests positive once then give them a warning and make them sign an agreement that they will not do it again and offer some kind of drug counseling... if they opt out, punish them but if they agree and then if they test positive a second time while under that agreement then let the hammer fall.
 
One day you'll wake in the morning, pee into a contraption in the wall, then receive your results before leaving for Work/School. That's if the SWAT team doesn't storm your house first.
 
Anyone know how the voter registration is split for this county?

What is their affiliation?

Security moms? NASCAR dads?
 
I fail to see how the school has a compelling interest to disregard probable cause in this case. The policy is unlikely to increase the safety and security of the students, teachers, or the public at large.
 
Originally posted by: Wheezer
The hole in that statement is this...what if your drug use is 5 minutes before the scheduled start of school or an activity sponsored by the school? That time is still considered "outside school"...right? The effects of the drug(s) will not wear off in 5 minutes though. So when you attend you are under the infuence, therfore violating policy.
And it's your business what state of mind somebody is in while at school because.... why?
 
Back
Top