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SLI 6600GTs vs X850XT

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like I said the difference might be more or less with AA/AF. I didn't have that link or my opinion would have been based on a larger performance gap. That what a post Like this really needs. Something other than a bunch of people going ATI! no NVIDIA! NO ATI! Good link!

:beer: Cheers :beer:
 
first, SLI is buggy...second, the x850 performs better for now games, but for future games, it really depends on how heavily SM3.0 is used...i like SM3.0 support...it caught my eye, but other then that, the x850 would be better.
 
Originally posted by: hans030390
first, SLI is buggy...second, the x850 performs better for now games, but for future games, it really depends on how heavily SM3.0 is used...i like SM3.0 support...it caught my eye, but other then that, the x850 would be better.

I really wish people would stop saying "SLI is buggy" when they're not even using it and don't really know?

I use SLI every day and have thrown a ton of games at it. The only problem I've had so far is Riddick, which I mainly bought to see how SLI would do with soft shadows. 🙁

I've used three different SLI sets on my Asus board and they all worked great.

There are indeed some minor issues with SLI, but there are issues with anything. There's no video setup out there that runs every game, every setting flawlessly.
 
Two 660GT can't even beat a single 6800 GT, much less a X850. In any case SLI is a waste of time and money.
 
I think this thread wasn't posted to be serious. No offense but the guy looks to be trolling. If he doesn't know the difference between an XL and an XT, and says one thing but means another there is something screwey.

SO in conclusion this is what i say:

Well I think.....

Nah.

-Kevin
 
Originally posted by: BFG10K
Two 660GT can't even beat a single 6800 GT, much less a X850. In any case SLI is a waste of time and money.

I can't even believe the man who used to argue all day long with me about AA/AF settings on first 4600s, then 9700Pros, posted this!

You do realize that I can run higher settings than you ever will on a 6800U BFG? Why the 180 degree turnaround on your perspective?

As far as "Two 660GT can't even beat a single 6800 GT" it depends at what setting you're talking about?

Check out the fine XBit HL2 benches where the 6600GT SLI beats a 6800GT at every benchmark practically:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/gf6800u-sli_19.html
6600GT SLI is no slouch at games that use SLI. My own benchamrks prove the difference between 6800GT and 6600GT SLI when there is a difference is 2XAA.
 
You do realize that I can run higher settings than you ever will on a 6800U BFG?
Not on a 6600GT setup you can't. If you go 6800 GT or higher how much does that cost, pariticularly when a single newer (and faster) card can be purchased with greater frequency? Not to mention the noise must be attrocious from two cards as one card by itself is quite noisy to begin with.

Why the 180 degree turnaround on your perspective?
Turnaround? Weren't you the guy that claimed nothing over 1024x768 4xAF 4xAA is needed and therefore that makes the 5800U "equal" to a 9700 Pro?

Likewise, nobody needed SM 2.0 (smack smack, shiny pipes) but now SM 3.0 is the second coming of Christ?

Check out the fine XBit HL2 benches where the 6600GT SLI beats a 6800GT at every benchmark practically:
Pure speed Rollo? That's zero AA and AF. What was that about a 180 degree turnaround?

As for the bottom graphs, it's still cheaper to pick up a 6800 GT and upgrade again in six months while you'll be stuck with two obsolete cards at a higher cost. Additionally, if you're that concerned about HL2 performance then why not buy a X850 XT since it creams your 6600 GT setup?
 
Well, 2x6600GT will cost you close to $200 less and I don't believe we've seen SLI really come to full fruition yet.

They will also hold their value better since the X850XT is priced at the "performance king" level and will drop like a stone when R520 is released.
 
Well, 2x6600GT will cost you close to $200 less
$200 less than what? Pricewatch has a 6800 GT at $341 while a 6600GT is $172. 2x172 = $344 - for generally poorer performance and compatilibility too I might add.

Then there's other potential costs such as power supply, motherboard, cooling fans, etc and the fact that there are a number of serious known issues with SLI where it either doesn't work at all or bombs the system (despite Rollo's railings that claim near-perfection).

Again, two 6600GTs are a waste of time and money when there are single cheaper, faster and quieter solutions already available. I can certainly understand the desire for top performance (two 6800GT/6800U cards) but advocating mid-range SLI cards when there are better single alternatives available (especially from ATi) reeks of nV fanboyism.
 
Originally posted by: BFG10K
You do realize that I can run higher settings than you ever will on a 6800U BFG?
Not on a 6600GT setup you can't. If you go 6800 GT or higher how much does that cost, pariticularly when a single newer (and faster) card can be purchased with greater frequency? Not to mention the noise must be attrocious from two cards as one card by itself is quite noisy to begin with.

I am using my 6800GT SLI set now, so I am running higher settings than you will ever see on one 6800U. Hardly a "waste".
(my 6600GT SLI set is on a shelf in the next room, but I never found it to be "noisey")

Originally posted by: BFG10K
Why the 180 degree turnaround on your perspective?
Turnaround? Weren't you the guy that claimed nothing over 1024x768 4xAF 4xAA is needed and therefore that makes the 5800U "equal" to a 9700 Pro?
A. Apparently our roles our reversed these days, you're saying the lower settings are "good enough", I am not. B. I said the 5800U could run any usable setting a 9700Pro could run, not that 10X7 4X8X was all that's needed, big difference.

Originally posted by: BFG10K
Likewise, nobody needed SM 2.0 (smack smack, shiny pipes) but now SM 3.0 is the second coming of Christ?
Not just SM3, the nV40 feature set in total. HDR + Soft Shadows + SLI + SM3 = better than any X800.

Originally posted by: BFG10K
Check out the fine XBit HL2 benches where the 6600GT SLI beats a 6800GT at every benchmark practically:
Pure speed Rollo? That's zero AA and AF. What was that about a 180 degree turnaround?
Of course, you conveniently left out that the 6600GT also won 4/6 4X16X benchmarks on that page, including both 16X12 4X16X. Why was that BFG? Didn't help your argument?


Originally posted by: BFG10K
As for the bottom graphs, it's still cheaper to pick up a 6800 GT and upgrade again in six months while you'll be stuck with two obsolete cards at a higher cost. Additionally, if you're that concerned about HL2 performance then why not buy a X850 XT since it creams your 6600 GT setup?
Because I have a 6800GT SLI setup that creams a X850XT at everything? 😉


 
Originally posted by: BFG10K
Well, 2x6600GT will cost you close to $200 less
Then there's other potential costs such as power supply, motherboard, cooling fans, etc and the fact that there are a number of serious known issues with SLI where it either doesn't work at all or bombs the system (despite Rollo's railings that claim near-perfection).

Here's the difference between what I say about this and what you say about it:

BFG10K: Read some rumours on forums from people who may or may not know what they're doing.

Rollo: Bought two different SLI motherboards, three different SLI sets. (6600GT, 6800NU, 6800GT) Used all three to play games old as 1999 (e.g. Kingpin) and as new as late 2004 (e.g. Tribes Vengeance, HL2) and many in between.

I think one of us knows a little more than the other about how SLI works BFG. Maybe you should get your facts straight before you post that my info consists of "railings". I have two SLI sets right here I can test on any game, I think I can tell easily enough if they're crashing and/or getting benefit.

 
Nothing BFG said wasnt true. You may have to buy a new PSU, mobo, cooling fans, etc. And there are more bugs with SLI, than vs. a single card. Especially with WS LCD's.

Just because you dont seem to have problems, doesnt mean other SLI users dont. Have you read NV's forums? Lots of people have had, and still have problems. That being said, I would imagine most of them are user error, as I believe is the case with most video card bugs from any company.
 
Originally posted by: BFG10K
Well, 2x6600GT will cost you close to $200 less
$200 less than what? Pricewatch has a 6800 GT at $341 while a 6600GT is $172. 2x172 = $344 - for generally poorer performance and compatilibility too I might add.

Then there's other potential costs such as power supply, motherboard, cooling fans, etc and the fact that there are a number of serious known issues with SLI where it either doesn't work at all or bombs the system (despite Rollo's railings that claim near-perfection).

Again, two 6600GTs are a waste of time and money when there are single cheaper, faster and quieter solutions already available. I can certainly understand the desire for top performance (two 6800GT/6800U cards) but advocating mid-range SLI cards when there are better single alternatives available (especially from ATi) reeks of nV fanboyism.

I'm sorry....I didn't realize by X850XT he meant 6800GT. My bad.

:roll:

As for the new argument you're bringing up out of thin air.....yes 2x6600GT are cheaper than 1 6800GT and will outperform it. And those 6600GTs will depreciate slower than the 6800GT.
 
My brother setup a pair of 6600GT's in SLI in an acrylic case that looks totally sick (good). It plays all of his games with decent eye candy at 1280. My X800XT PE is faster in almost all situations, but I will be hard pressed to notice the difference if not for FRAPS. Loyalty to a vid card maker will never cease to amaze me.
 
Originally posted by: Ackmed
Nothing BFG said wasnt true. You may have to buy a new PSU, mobo, cooling fans, etc. And there are more bugs with SLI, than vs. a single card. Especially with WS LCD's.

Just because you dont seem to have problems, doesnt mean other SLI users dont. Have you read NV's forums? Lots of people have had, and still have problems. That being said, I would imagine most of them are user error, as I believe is the case with most video card bugs from any company.

That's the point of my post Ackmed. By calling my assertions that SLI works very well and trouble free "railings" and saying there are "many serious known issues" BFG implies that what I say on the matter can't be trusted.

Be me stating I've run a multitude of games from the last 6 years, with or without game profiles, on three different SLI versions and two different motherboards, I directly refute his claims. My claims are much more likely to be true because a. they're based on actual experience b. I actually have a couple sli sets and can easily test any game for these supposed "serious issues.

Other users inability to configure hardware and software correctly is irrelevant, and all you see on user boards is people who have problems looking for help, not people who know what they're doing posting "Aha- see it works".

BFG should list these "number of serious known issues" if he's going to post that SLI is a "waste" because end users need to evaluate whether they'll be an issue for them, not just hear "SLI is bad news".

For example here are the SLI issues I know about:

1. Doesn't work, at least for some people, with Windows 2000. I looked for use stats and found less than 20% of people have Windows 2000. The HL2 user stats, all 1.5 million people, showed only 4% of people have Windows 2000 that play HL2. So for most people this "serious issue" is a non issue.

2. The widescreen lcd issue you love to quote. Most people don't have widescreen lcds, 99.9% of games don't support widescreen, and even the ones that do can be played at standard aspect ratio fine. So for most people, most games, this "serious issue" is irrelevant as well.

3. Riddick will not play at all in SLI. I've seen this as have many others. I've seen one review where it's been benched in SLI, and one user on a forum who said he got it to work in SLI, but IMO this is an "issue" for most people. So we have a game you can't use SLI on yet that nVidia has promised a driver update to fix. Till they do, it's an issue.

Not a very long list of what I know, is it? Yet BFG states people should give up the huge framerate advantages over any hardware currently available because of all the "serious issues". I can tell you right now I personally would not give up the 19X14 gaming because I can't play Riddick yet in SLI?
 
Originally posted by: YOyoYOhowsDAjello
Originally posted by: SuperTyphoon
6800 ultra is the best out now, and 2... geez...

No it's not, and 2... do some research

What he said is no less valid than what you said. You apparently value slightly higher framerates on a single card more than the ability to have much higher framerates on two cards, and the ability to see modern effects in games like HDR and soft shadows. (or SM3 vs SM1.1 in SC:CT)

I'm not going to tell you that you're wrong, just that you have different priorities. However, as framerate is obviously your only criteria, it's odd you ignore the fact a X850XT PE is a slow video card compared to 6800GT or 6800U SLI.

Maybe you need to do some research?
 
Originally posted by: BFG10K
Two 660GT can't even beat a single 6800 GT, much less a X850. In any case SLI is a waste of time and money.

I agree with the 1st half, but telling anyone that SLI is a waste of money isnt a smart move...

If youve got the money and want top-tier performance, SLI 6800Us or 6800GTs is the only way to go.
 
Originally posted by: Acanthus
Originally posted by: BFG10K
Two 660GT can't even beat a single 6800 GT, much less a X850. In any case SLI is a waste of time and money.

I agree with the 1st half, but telling anyone that SLI is a waste of money isnt a smart move...

If youve got the money and want top-tier performance, SLI 6800Us or 6800GTs is the only way to go.

Looks like BFG has no reply to his mysterious "lower res/AA/AF is now preferable" arguments.

I PMd him to ask what the heck was going on, looks like he's going to flame SLI and walk away. 🙁
 
Originally posted by: Rollo
Originally posted by: YOyoYOhowsDAjello
Originally posted by: SuperTyphoon
6800 ultra is the best out now, and 2... geez...

No it's not, and 2... do some research

What he said is no less valid than what you said. You apparently value slightly higher framerates on a single card more than the ability to have much higher framerates on two cards, and the ability to see modern effects in games like HDR and soft shadows. (or SM3 vs SM1.1 in SC:CT)

I'm not going to tell you that you're wrong, just that you have different priorities. However, as framerate is obviously your only criteria, it's odd you ignore the fact a X850XT PE is a slow video card compared to 6800GT or 6800U SLI.

Maybe you need to do some research?

I think making a statement like "It's the best" is untrue for both the 6800ultra and X800 XTPE.

I agree that two 6800ultras in SLI would be the best. Where did I say that I meant the X800XTPE?
 
Fair enough, I've always considered 6800Us and X800XT PEs pretty comparable. I personally give the nod to 6800Us for the feature for advice, but for myself ended up with a X800XT PE when I was a single card guy.
 
Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Originally posted by: BFG10K
Well, 2x6600GT will cost you close to $200 less
$200 less than what? Pricewatch has a 6800 GT at $341 while a 6600GT is $172. 2x172 = $344 - for generally poorer performance and compatilibility too I might add.

Then there's other potential costs such as power supply, motherboard, cooling fans, etc and the fact that there are a number of serious known issues with SLI where it either doesn't work at all or bombs the system (despite Rollo's railings that claim near-perfection).

Again, two 6600GTs are a waste of time and money when there are single cheaper, faster and quieter solutions already available. I can certainly understand the desire for top performance (two 6800GT/6800U cards) but advocating mid-range SLI cards when there are better single alternatives available (especially from ATi) reeks of nV fanboyism.

I'm sorry....I didn't realize by X850XT he meant 6800GT. My bad.

:roll:

As for the new argument you're bringing up out of thin air.....yes 2x6600GT are cheaper than 1 6800GT and will outperform it. And those 6600GTs will depreciate slower than the 6800GT.


You didn't realize they were talking about the 6800GT? I had no problem deciphering that... anyhow, I just popped up to argue that disposition on 6600GT's... I can't think of one GOOD reason to pick up SLI 6600gt's over a single 6800gt(other than looks, if you can call that a good reason)... And that goes for both of the following scenarios

A- Using the exact same mobo, cpu, ram, and all the fittings, the 6800gt single will run roughly the same as the SLI 6600gts, at roughly the same price. But what happens when you want to upgrade? Both of your slots are FULL with those 6600gts, meaning the only upgrade possible is to replace BOTH cards, while the 6800gt leaves that second slot WIDE OPEN for a second 6800GT further down the road (when they are cheaper as well). This reason alone puts your post to shame... saying those 6600's will depreciate slower is just WRONG.

and ofcoarse
B- Lets say we are talking price, and using all the same components EXCEPT for motherboard, you can pick up a nf4 ultra single pci-e and save yourself $70 over an SLI board, and get roughly the same performance as the SLI 6600gt's. At that matter you could just pick up an x800pro and mod to xt-pe for $270, which would still cost less than the SLI6600's (with a NON SLI motherboard ofcoarse) and would be the fastest setup of all mentioned. *tisk tisk* posts like yours make everybody who reads it dumber if they don't already know any better!
 
I can't think of one GOOD reason to pick up SLI 6600gt's over a single 6800gt(other than looks, if you can call that a good reason).

How about if you want ~6800GT level gaming performance, and hardware WMV9 video acceleration when MS finally updates WMP10?
 
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