Slavery still affects black people in america

[Zebo]

The whole asain "model minority" crap is also a stereotype based on false premise.

Asain were volunteer emmigrees. Not slaves, captured, tortue and murdered.

What types of asain immigrate? The already well of, those who could afford to make the trip which happen to belong homeland's middle and upper classes. They also happen to be educated much more than most americans let alone black americans due to thier homeland status. Next , you have U.S. immigration policy that is discriminatory favoring immigrants with professional skills and higher education. Well duh, natually those immigrants will fair better than a "you black, you comming" slave immigration policy which represents wider demographic. They also out perform whites, American Indians and just about everone else due to this discriminatory immigration policy.

Recently these policys have changed a bit, and guess what, massive SE asian immigration who happen have the lowest success rate of all Asians. hmmm wonder why.

Some of you all really need a sociolgy course instead of sterotying from anecdotals.

And I need to learn how to speel./

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Asain were volunteer emmigrees. Not slaves, captured, tortue and murdered.

Not all. Some are refugees, some came over when they were slaves in their own country being captured, starved, and murdered during colonialism. Children born here don't voluntarily decide to come here.

 

[classy]

Originally posted by: edro13
You always hear complaints about black racism... Get over it. If you live in a country that is 85% White, of course you are going to get racism, if for no other fact than you are different.

How do you think Indian-American, Mexican-American, Somali-American, Saudi-American...etc people feel? They got it a hell of a lot worse.

Racism is all about being different. It is the same if you are born with no face, born morbidly obese, born with no arms... you are always going to be treated differently...because you ARE different. That is the way society works for all animals.

Be lucky you're not a "different" hyena... where you would be eaten alive. 🙂

[This post is not directly pointed at Arkitech, I just like posting as if I am talking at someone.]

I seen this and I wanted to correct you. Whites make up approx. 65% of the country. Blacks make up about 13% of the country, Hispanics about 15%, and I believe Asians are about 6%. This does not include many of the other growing cultures like Middle Eastern. And in 20 years the white race will only be around 55% of the country. The entire country in the very near future will look like NYC 🙂.

As far as the thread is concerned, I am so glad my wife and many of the whites that I know aren't like the ones that posted in this thread or many of the posters that I have seen over the years on this board. I just Thank God for that, I truly do. Some of the stuff I see posted is just sad.

 

[jimikim]

I say blacks should pay reparations to the Korean business owners who lost everything during the 1992 Koreatown riots. Why da fvck did you choose Koreatown dammit it was white people who beat Rodney King.

Blacks should also pay reparations to whites for all the other riots during the 1960s (LA and Chicago?).

OK then the reparations that blacks demand are cancelled out by the demands of the non-blacks. Fair deal?

 

[MySoS]

Originally posted by: Zebo
The whole asain "model minority" crap is also a stereotype based on false premise.

Asain were volunteer emmigrees. Not slaves, captured, tortue and murdered.

What types of asain immigrate? The already well of, those who could afford to make the trip which happen to belong homeland's middle and upper classes. They also happen to be educated much more than most americans let alone black americans due to thier homeland status. Next , you have U.S. immigration policy that is discriminatory favoring immigrants with professional skills and higher education. Well duh, natually those immigrants will fair better than a "you black, you comming" slave immigration policy which represents wider demographic. They also out perform whites, American Indians and just about everone else due to this discriminatory immigration policy.

Recently these policys have changed a bit, and guess what, massive SE asian immigration who happen have the lowest success rate of all Asians. hmmm wonder why.

Some of you all really need a sociolgy course instead of sterotying from anecdotals.

And I need to learn how to speel./

Actually Vietnamese who are SE Asians have been very successful, especially when it comes to higher education. An example of Vietnamese American success in higher education is how they represent around 5% of the University of California student population, but only 1.5% of California population. When Vietnamese people immigrated to the U.S after the Vietnam War they had poverty levels worst than African Americans, but now their poverty level is significantly lower than African Americans and they are fast catching up to other Asians in terms of poverty.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: Arkitech
A lot of times I hear people say that slavery happened a long time ago why bring it up now? I also hear some people say that slavery does'nt affect anyone living today. I used to get angry when I heard statements like that but now I realize that people just need to be better informed about slavery in america and its far reaching effects.

Some of the reasons slavery still affects people in America

1. The Civil War

2. During slavery slaves received minimal to no education, therefore when these people were eventually freed little emphasis was placed on acheiving higher learning if any at all.

3. Families were often broken apart during slave times and as most people who study history realize that strong families are the basis for strong communities. So when many slaves were freed their very foundation from the beginning was fractured.

4. Perhaps one of the most far reaching effects of slavery is the racism and hatred. I can't even begin to explain how it feels to belong to a race of people who can invoke pure hatred from others based solely on the color of their skin. Often times I've wished to be any other race than black simply to not have to deal with the racism and hatred.

5. Economically black people have suffered because of slavery. Many blacks in the US who have slaves ancestors can trace them back in 3 or 4 generations. (my grandmother's grandmother was a slave) And while this does'nt appear to be much of a factor think about americans who have 3 or 4 generations in this country. Thats 3 or 4 generations of family who've had the opportunity to attend college, build businesses, pass down family fortunes, etc.



I don't offer these explanations as an excuse for crime in the black community nor do these explanations give any black person the right to display racist attitudes towards whites. However I think people should have a clearer understanding of how slavery affects people today.

1) The war has been over for 150 years. At 35 years per generation, that translates to at least 4 generations. The was ws about states rights.

2) And at least 2 if not 3 generations have had the full opportunity of public education. If many choose to not take the opportunity and/or reject it, that is their choice. There are many white races that started out with no education and people have succeeded. One can not use the excuse of their skin color for not being able to succeed.

3) Valid point for the first two generations. After that,, it is an excuse.

4) All races can generate hatred toward others. Many people are also afraid to go into neighborhoods that are heavily race oriented. This is due to a general stereotyping. The neighborhoods themselves also may create that impression. Strangers driving by have been attacked just because they are different.

5) Many blacks have succeed, some within 1-2 generations of being here. Therefore this option is an excuse for failure, not an explanation of lack of success.

 

[Ninjja]

Originally posted by: Arkitech
sigh


why does everyone choose to misunderstand what I'm saying?

1. Its possible that almost every black person in america has an opportunity to better themselves if they choose to

2. Slavery and racism is NOT an excuse for irresponsible behavior or lack of effort


However just like the Holocaust, slavery has had far reaching effects. Is that such a wrong statement to make?

no it's not.

 

Grasping at straws.

 

[frankie38]

We need slave reparations brother!!!!

 

[MrCodeDude]

Originally posted by: Arkitech
A lot of times I hear people say that slavery happened a long time ago why bring it up now? I also hear some people say that slavery does'nt affect anyone living today. I used to get angry when I heard statements like that but now I realize that people just need to be better informed about slavery in america and its far reaching effects.

Some of the reasons slavery still affects people in America

1. The Civil War

2. During slavery slaves received minimal to no education, therefore when these people were eventually freed little emphasis was placed on acheiving higher learning if any at all.

3. Families were often broken apart during slave times and as most people who study history realize that strong families are the basis for strong communities. So when many slaves were freed their very foundation from the beginning was fractured.

4. Perhaps one of the most far reaching effects of slavery is the racism and hatred. I can't even begin to explain how it feels to belong to a race of people who can invoke pure hatred from others based solely on the color of their skin. Often times I've wished to be any other race than black simply to not have to deal with the racism and hatred.

5. Economically black people have suffered because of slavery. Many blacks in the US who have slaves ancestors can trace them back in 3 or 4 generations. (my grandmother's grandmother was a slave) And while this does'nt appear to be much of a factor think about americans who have 3 or 4 generations in this country. Thats 3 or 4 generations of family who've had the opportunity to attend college, build businesses, pass down family fortunes, etc.



I don't offer these explanations as an excuse for crime in the black community nor do these explanations give any black person the right to display racist attitudes towards whites. However I think people should have a clearer understanding of how slavery affects people today.

I'm Irish. One of my ancestors was probably an indentured servant. Where are my reperations?

Get over it. Not everyone is created equal.

 

[MaxDepth]

oh boo hoo.

 

[brigden]

Originally posted by: Arkitech

Originally posted by: Yossarian
I don't see how any of those things, most of which occurred 200 years ago, affect people today. And I don't think racism is a result of slavery, it's a result of stupidity.

If your grandparents were poor, uneducated and a potential target for racism anywhere in the US I can assure you that it would have an impact on your life in some form or another.

NUMBER ONE EXCUSE USED BY BLACKS IN AMERICA.

No, whitey isn't keeping you down.

 

[erikistired]

Originally posted by: brigden

Originally posted by: Arkitech

Originally posted by: Yossarian
I don't see how any of those things, most of which occurred 200 years ago, affect people today. And I don't think racism is a result of slavery, it's a result of stupidity.

If your grandparents were poor, uneducated and a potential target for racism anywhere in the US I can assure you that it would have an impact on your life in some form or another.

NUMBER ONE EXCUSE USED BY BLACKS IN AMERICA.

No, whitey isn't keeping you down.

the man is keeping you down!

 

Originally posted by: brigden

Originally posted by: Arkitech

Originally posted by: Yossarian
I don't see how any of those things, most of which occurred 200 years ago, affect people today. And I don't think racism is a result of slavery, it's a result of stupidity.

If your grandparents were poor, uneducated and a potential target for racism anywhere in the US I can assure you that it would have an impact on your life in some form or another.

NUMBER ONE EXCUSE USED BY BLACKS IN AMERICA.

No, whitey isn't keeping you down.

Yea, my grandparents were poor, uneducated and a potential target for racism (bigotry) due to being fresh off the boat.

 

[Rumpltzer]

My father's parents were Irish. They showed up in America with nothing. My father never finished high school.

My mother grew up in the Taiwanese countryside and wasn't given a choice to have an education beyond her sixth grade year.

My parents didn't have money to send me or my sisters to college.


Both my sisters have master's degrees (in non-science majors). I have a PhD in electrical engineering.

Go figure.

 

[mwtgg]

Originally posted by: Arkitech
A lot of times I hear people say that slavery happened a long time ago why bring it up now? I also hear some people say that slavery does'nt affect anyone living today. I used to get angry when I heard statements like that but now I realize that people just need to be better informed about slavery in america and its far reaching effects.

Some of the reasons slavery still affects people in America

1. The Civil War

2. During slavery slaves received minimal to no education, therefore when these people were eventually freed little emphasis was placed on acheiving higher learning if any at all.

3. Families were often broken apart during slave times and as most people who study history realize that strong families are the basis for strong communities. So when many slaves were freed their very foundation from the beginning was fractured.

4. Perhaps one of the most far reaching effects of slavery is the racism and hatred. I can't even begin to explain how it feels to belong to a race of people who can invoke pure hatred from others based solely on the color of their skin. Often times I've wished to be any other race than black simply to not have to deal with the racism and hatred.

5. Economically black people have suffered because of slavery. Many blacks in the US who have slaves ancestors can trace them back in 3 or 4 generations. (my grandmother's grandmother was a slave) And while this does'nt appear to be much of a factor think about americans who have 3 or 4 generations in this country. Thats 3 or 4 generations of family who've had the opportunity to attend college, build businesses, pass down family fortunes, etc.



I don't offer these explanations as an excuse for crime in the black community nor do these explanations give any black person the right to display racist attitudes towards whites. However I think people should have a clearer understanding of how slavery affects people today.

#1: has no merit
#2: see #1
#3: ok, i'll give you that one, but what about the broken homes of today?
#4: my grandfather couldn't get entry into the pipefitters union. why? because he was italian. He could have gotten in the easy way (through a friend), but no, he worked his ass off to get in. oh yeah, if you're not a member of the union, guess what? you don't have a job in that field.
#5: meh, see #4

My great grandparents came over from Naples, Italy on May 12, 1921. They were poor and spoke no English. Do you see where I'm getting at with this? If not, I'll give you a hint: QUIT MAKING EXCUSES AND WORK TO MAKE YOUR LIFE AND THE LIFE OF YOUR PEOPLE BETTER.

 

[Bumrush99]

I'm just wondering if any of you have even bothered to read through this post, his intention was not to put anyone down or make excuses for not working. As a matter of fact, he clearly stated that he is successful and doesn't buy a lot of the excuses that are thrown around. While its obvious from the amount of posts that he has that he knew what the reaction would be, give the guy a break and stop with the personal insults.

And it is funny how a majority of the people in here have no problem grouping all blacks together, I wonder if any of you would say the exact same things to a black co-worker or in a real life situation.

In terms of immigration, you can not compare immigration to 3rd or 4th generation blacks, many of whom have been caught up in an endless cycle of violence and poor schooling. I live in Miami which has a huge population of first generation blacks from the Carribean, many of whom are very successful and have been able to integrate quickly.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: Bumrush99
I'm just wondering if any of you have even bothered to read through this post, his intention was not to put anyone down or make excuses for not working. As a matter of fact, he clearly stated that he is successful and doesn't buy a lot of the excuses that are thrown around. While its obvious from the amount of posts that he has that he knew what the reaction would be, give the guy a break and stop with the personal insults.

And it is funny how a majority of the people in here have no problem grouping all blacks together, I wonder if any of you would say the exact same things to a black co-worker or in a real life situation.

In terms of immigration, you can not compare immigration to 3rd or 4th generation blacks, many of whom have been caught up in an endless cycle of violence and poor schooling. I live in Miami which has a huge population of first generation blacks from the Carribean, many of whom are very successful and have been able to integrate quickly.

The OP stated in the title and at closing Some of the reasons slavery still affects people in America today


I take exception with the use of still. That seems to be implying an excuse to blacks to not do well.
There are pockets of the country where the blacks may be disadvantaged, however, should a family choose to pull itself up, there are opportunities in abundance for them to succeed.

The cycle of violence and poor schooling is a choice that either the parent has decided for the child or the child has chosen the path of violence rather the the harder path of success. Therefore the blame has to fall on the family unit, not the race or history of oppression.

That cycle of violence happens throughout the country in all low-income type places. If a single child and/or family can ecscape that trap, then there is no excuse for others not to. They choose to take the easy way out.

 

[Zepper]

And it will continue to as long as you keep whining about it to people that had nothing to do with it. Surprising you haven't learned that by now. I guess the Dem's plan for you has worked...
.bh.

 

[Bumrush99]

Eagle, I think the problem is that he is confusing slavery with segregation. I think if he worded it differently his points would have been more valid. Would you agree that segregation and the old Jim Crow laws negatively impacted blacks as little as 40 years ago?

 

[g8wayrebel]

MODS
I move to establish a new label "YACT" yet another crybaby thread!
My great grandfather was an indentured servant to the railroad for years to get his "right" to stay here.
My mother grew up an irish catholic female in the "NINA" no irish need apply era in this country and never even graduated HS, but she is still doing fine. Well that is other than the little "you owe me something" f*ckers in the area stealing everything they can get thier hands on.
There was recently a thread on Bill Cosby you should check out. If you want forty acres and a mule, get in line! We never got ours either!!!!!!!!
You command respect, not demand it. In order to get it,you must earn it!!!!!!!!! You are obviously a semi-intelligent person, you should be out in your neighborhood preaching RESPONSIBILITY rather than being on here whining.

It's been brought up, so I'll say it clearly. It's not "blacks" that have the problem. It's american born blacks. I know many immigrant blacks in this city, and several others, who are successful that "hate" the "american blacks" for giving them a bad name.They say they are lazy, immoral, unclean, and unethical to say the least.No one has a free ride in this country. There have been many indescretions in the history of this country which the citizens have had to overcome in order to get ahead.The system doesn't work for the little guy. It is still that way. Being poor is just as bad as being of color,foreign,having an unpopular religion or many other things that affect they way you are treated. Those that have will always descriminate against those that don't, and so on.

 

[Bumrush99]

Please quote where he stated he believed in reperations.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: Bumrush99
Eagle, I think the problem is that he is confusing slavery with segregation. I think if he worded it differently his points would have been more valid. Would you agree that segregation and the old Jim Crow laws negatively impacted blacks as little as 40 years ago?

Yes - completely.

It took Johnson (Civil Rights Act) to break down that barrier and encourage forwarding looking blacks to get ahead. Emphasize the word forwarding.

Many then still used the previous problems of segragation as an excuse and have passed it down the family genes. Every once-in-a-while a good apple is able to fall far enough away from the tree to give some hope.

 

[StageLeft]

Everything affects everything. It definitely affects people today, as it was only 150 years ago. I often think Blacks are doing quite well, considering where they started from. I contrast that with Native Americans, who are doing almost uniformly badly, even though money is thrown at them. But, like spoiled children, if you give, people don't learn how to make.

I am against reparations in any form. I would not want to pay for something I didn't do, and using the Native Americans as an example, the more that is given to any group in society the more pathetically incapable of functioning that group becomes (again, like a spoiled child). The absolute last thing Blacks need right now is to have money thrown at them because of their race, just when they are really becoming more successful.

 

[Quasmo]

So why is it ok for a black gentleman to go up to yell at my friend, "Hey white girl!" But if I said, "Yo black boy!" I'd be racist.