Slavery still affects black people in america

[yllus]

Originally posted by: Wuffsunie
...from those in the south who bear a continental chip on their shoulder because their side "lost," to, of course, your side. It's the fact that some people just won't let the fvck go that pisses me off about the whole issue.

And what a great bunch of people to have on your side, being the righteous anti-slavery bunch that they were...

A Republican congressman from Pennsylvania, 1856: "I care nothing for the 'great person'? I have a higher mission to preach ? deliverance of the white man."

Abraham Lincoln, 1858: "There is a physical difference between the white and black races which will ever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality."

Abraham Lincoln, 1858: "There must be the position of superior and inferior, I am as much as many other man in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race."

Lincoln's final solution for the slavery question was to ship all blacks overseas to an island of their own. Ah, the strange legend of the great Emancipator.

 

[Howard]

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: hysperion

I never realized til tonight just how alienated a person can feel

You don't have to be black to feel alienated. I'm sure fat people, abused kids and wives, ugly people, people with small peepees feel the same.

Man. I wonder how fat abused ugly kids with small peepees get through the day. I mean, I fit the opposite description so well that my mind is completely incapable of contemplating that situation.

😛

You are fat, abused, ugly, and have a small peepee?

Rock on!

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: Arkitech

Originally posted by: oboeguy
Ugh, too long a thread to read at this hour. Anyway... the connections drawn by the OP are tenuous at best. There's a huge leap of logic in each one.

However, anyone who thinks segregation was abolished, say in schools, by Brown vs. Bd. of Ed. has absolutely no freaking clue. Try visiting a school in the South Bronx.

Anyway, racism is still a huge problem, no matter what people say, but slavery? Come on, you need to give a more connected argument for you to convince anyone.

Maybe I should have fleshed out my original post better. Sometimes its hard for me to put everything down in words.

Slaves were in many cases viewed as less than humans, this view did'nt automatically disappear just because slavery was abolished. There is much evidence of this in the decades after slavery, unfortunately there are many who still hold some of those views.

I've done extensive reading through historical documents, biographical accounts and speaking with older relatives about the state of black people in america. And perhaps because I'm so intimately involved in this issue I have a view and understanding that other people not of my background may not understand. Again its hard for me to put all of my thoughts, experiences and knowledge into words but I feel strongly that slavery has had a direct impact on the current state of black people in this country. This does'nt mean that I believe in excuses or copouts, in fact I'm probably harder on other black people than persons from another race would be.

I think some of the responses in this post are kind of knee jerk statements. There has been many black people in the past who have used slavery as "get out of jail free card" or as a way to further their own financial or personal goals. So I guess some of the backlash here should be expected to a certain extent.

that, or you are being bias and you do not realize it....when it comes to cultural shortcomigns or strife I remain as neutral as possible.


Most people are indeed posting 'knee-jerking' material because we assume that the obvious is jsut that, obvious...

To most of us, America offers opertunities that as time passes, get more and more equal or different races.

Just last night (Monday night ) I was tutoring and helping out two white studetns, three or four black students, a REALLY hot white chick at the end, and I think 1 hispanic students (not sure) and perahps another black guy

..anyways, I treated them equally, and they all, for the msot part, showed qual capacity (they were in the same math class/level). Truly, what I saw, was people of all ages and races bettering themselves. I tutor a massive variety that includes engineers, government employees, studetns, ex and current military and students.

Your argument attempt to imply that blacks are still feelign the effects of slavery. If so, it is so weak that why discuss it? Every single person that I help faces harships (I go to and tutor at a community colleege) and yet they excel quite well.

What would be interesting for you is to discuss the errossion of pride by well-established asians, blacks,hispanics, and caucasians. I have seen more cases of problematic youth in their cultures due to the errosion of pride than anything else.....

....mommy and daddy already "made it" so why should I bother trying "syndrome"


be smart..don't drink and post 😉

 

[Alex]

Originally posted by: kreb
Last time I checked, the Civil War is over...

 

[HalosPuma]

Originally posted by: Arkitech
Some of the reasons slavery still affects people in America

1. The Civil War

That is incorrect. It was the War of Northern Aggression. A sovereign nation - the Confederate States of America - was invaded by Lincoln.

Further, no one is affected by slavery in America. That's just an excuse for lazy people to not do anything. Just take a look at all of the foreigners who have come to our country since the 1960's and how they are successful. The problem is that the black community as a whole thinks they are entitled to something instead of actually working hard to attain it just like all of the other minorities do. Now, if every non-white person was a failure, then that could be something to complain about. In fact, blacks have every advantage over foreigners - they aready speak American English, know our traditions, and have plenty of relatives to support them.

Now, what is still negatively affecting America today? The so-called "civil-rights" movement of the 60's. That piece of legislation has taken away one of the biggest freedoms we had: freedom of association. I have the freedom to be friends with whomever I choose (no homos). I have the freedom to date whomever I choose (white girls). However, if I start my own company, I now have to follow a whole mess of regulations and "affirmative action" for "equal-opportunity employment?" What kind of crap is that? Let the free-market decide. If people are so offended that I won't hire certain types of people, then they won't buy my product and I'll either (a) go out of business; or (b) compromise and hire those other types of people in order to generate more business.

For the record, I do have a black friend and he thinks like Bill Cosby and the other respectable blacks. Never once called his other black friends "n!ggas" or other degrading comments like that, speaks English clearly, and wears clothes that fit him, not XXXXXL sizes.

 

[BunLengthHotDog]

Originally posted by: yllus
And what a great bunch of people to have on your side, being the righteous anti-slavery bunch that they were...

A Republican congressman from Pennsylvania, 1856: "I care nothing for the 'great person'? I have a higher mission to preach ? deliverance of the white man."

Abraham Lincoln, 1858: "There is a physical difference between the white and black races which will ever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality."

Abraham Lincoln, 1858: "There must be the position of superior and inferior, I am as much as many other man in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race."

Lincoln's final solution for the slavery question was to ship all blacks overseas to an island of their own. Ah, the strange legend of the great Emancipator.

This is why I HATE revisionist history, Lincoln was as big a prick as any southern slave-owner in those days, yet he is the savior of our nation when you read about him in textbooks.

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: yllus
A Republican congressman from Pennsylvania, 1856: "I care nothing for the 'great person'? I have a higher mission to preach ? deliverance of the white man."

Abraham Lincoln, 1858: "There is a physical difference between the white and black races which will ever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality."

Abraham Lincoln, 1858: "There must be the position of superior and inferior, I am as much as many other man in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race."

http://www.nps.gov/liho/slavery/al01.htm

Abraham Lincoln is often referred to as "The Great Emancipator" and yet, he did not publicly call for emancipation throughout his entire life. Lincoln began his public career by claiming that he was "antislavery" -- against slavery's expansion but not calling for immediate emancipation. However, the man who began as "antislavery" eventually issued the Emancipation Proclamation, which freed all slaves in those states that were in rebellion. He vigorously supported the 13th Amendment which abolished slavery throughout the United States, and, in the last speech of his life, he recommended extending the vote to African Americans.

Lincoln's final solution for the slavery question was to ship all blacks overseas to an island of their own. Ah, the strange legend of the great Emancipator.

So what's the logic of extending voting rights to blacks if he wanted to ship them back?

 

[djplayx714]

Originally posted by: Howard

Originally posted by: djplayx714
ok people stop using asians as an antithesis. we're well aware of the asian slavery that went on and of the internment camps. there are people still very pissed and very vocal about this. we are not the model minority. i hate it when asians are used as scapegoats for racial issues.

I don't know any Orientals that still seem pissed about it.

The nissei generation and their offspring would be a good starting point. As far as chinese coolies go well years of anti miscegenation laws prevented any offspring to vocalize the abuses that occurred. except for a small filipino community that thrived in louisiana. however they believed themselves at the time (1785-present day) to be of the white race since the phillipines were a colony of Spain and then the US.

maybe i should make it a fact that im pursuing a Masters in Ethnic Studies to add to my MBA and BA in Business. would that put more emphasis on my words?

 

[BannedTroll]

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: yllus
A Republican congressman from Pennsylvania, 1856: "I care nothing for the 'great person'? I have a higher mission to preach ? deliverance of the white man."

Abraham Lincoln, 1858: "There is a physical difference between the white and black races which will ever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality."

Abraham Lincoln, 1858: "There must be the position of superior and inferior, I am as much as many other man in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race."

http://www.nps.gov/liho/slavery/al01.htm

Abraham Lincoln is often referred to as "The Great Emancipator" and yet, he did not publicly call for emancipation throughout his entire life. Lincoln began his public career by claiming that he was "antislavery" -- against slavery's expansion but not calling for immediate emancipation. However, the man who began as "antislavery" eventually issued the Emancipation Proclamation, which freed all slaves in those states that were in rebellion. He vigorously supported the 13th Amendment which abolished slavery throughout the United States, and, in the last speech of his life, he recommended extending the vote to African Americans.

Lincoln's final solution for the slavery question was to ship all blacks overseas to an island of their own. Ah, the strange legend of the great Emancipator.

So what's the logic of extending voting rights to blacks if he wanted to ship them back?

Please google "reconstruction"

 

[ed21x]

it really is sad how black people make so many excuses for themselves for how little they were able to accomplish.

The chinese came as slaves, were the target of bigotry, and came in every bit as poor as the blacks
A good number of vietnamese came over as refugees.
Korea and Taiwan was never really rich as a country until recently (past 30 years), and thus most people you see here migrated in poor conditions.

analyse and see why given the same resources + a language barrier, asians are willing to work hard to achieve for itself while black people are in the state they are today. Nobody deserves respect until they earn it.

 

[BannedTroll]

Originally posted by: djplayx714

Originally posted by: Howard

Originally posted by: djplayx714
ok people stop using asians as an antithesis. we're well aware of the asian slavery that went on and of the internment camps. there are people still very pissed and very vocal about this. we are not the model minority. i hate it when asians are used as scapegoats for racial issues.

I don't know any Orientals that still seem pissed about it.

The nissei generation and their offspring would be a good starting point. As far as chinese coolies go well years of anti miscegenation laws prevented any offspring to vocalize the abuses that occurred. except for a small filipino community that thrived in louisiana. however they believed themselves at the time (1785-present day) to be of the white race since the phillipines were a colony of Spain and then the US.

maybe i should make it a fact that im pursuing a Masters in Ethnic Studies to add to my MBA and BA in Business. would that put more emphasis on my words?

no

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Arkitech
A lot of times I hear people say that slavery happened a long time ago why bring it up now? I also hear some people say that slavery does'nt affect anyone living today. I used to get angry when I heard statements like that but now I realize that people just need to be better informed about slavery in america and its far reaching effects.

Some of the reasons slavery still affects people in America

1. The Civil War

2. During slavery slaves received minimal to no education, therefore when these people were eventually freed little emphasis was placed on acheiving higher learning if any at all.

3. Families were often broken apart during slave times and as most people who study history realize that strong families are the basis for strong communities. So when many slaves were freed their very foundation from the beginning was fractured.

4. Perhaps one of the most far reaching effects of slavery is the racism and hatred. I can't even begin to explain how it feels to belong to a race of people who can invoke pure hatred from others based solely on the color of their skin. Often times I've wished to be any other race than black simply to not have to deal with the racism and hatred.

5. Economically black people have suffered because of slavery. Many blacks in the US who have slaves ancestors can trace them back in 3 or 4 generations. (my grandmother's grandmother was a slave) And while this does'nt appear to be much of a factor think about americans who have 3 or 4 generations in this country. Thats 3 or 4 generations of family who've had the opportunity to attend college, build businesses, pass down family fortunes, etc.



I don't offer these explanations as an excuse for crime in the black community nor do these explanations give any black person the right to display racist attitudes towards whites. However I think people should have a clearer understanding of how slavery affects people today.

... where's the 40 acres and a mule promised by Sherman and lincoln? Anyway, generational wealth is blacks biggest problem. They have none. Whites OTOH know how to make money very early, are tought how the system works, have relatives to loan them money or simply come from wealth. For example My dad tought us very early about institutions like the SBA, saving for a house, and other wealth gathering techniques. I'm not sure this is discussed or even common knowlege in black community. This was dinner talk at my house.

I don't believe things like AA are a bad thing. First they are a form of punitive damages for 400 yrs of murder and enslavement. The germans and thier corporations are still paying off the Jews. It's a well estabished system of compensating victims for historical injustice whether alive or not. Indians for example. Second it helps them escape thier "poverty trap" as noted earlier, people, a race, mired in poverty can not compete against well-funded companies, families, and venture capitalists. If you think so you are naive since the odds are stacked against success. For every rich immigrant thier are thousands who continue in the trap.


Anyway of course prejudices linger. *Legal* discrimination existed until just recently in 1964. That did'nt stoip the hate or stereotyping we see every day.

 

[djplayx714]

Originally posted by: ed21x
it really is sad how black people make so many excuses for themselves for how little they were able to accomplish.

The chinese came as slaves, were the target of bigotry, and came in every bit as poor as the blacks
A good number of vietnamese came over as refugees.
Korea and Taiwan was never really rich as a country until recently (past 30 years), and thus most people you see here migrated in poor conditions.

analyse and see why given the same resources + a language barrier, asians are willing to work hard to achieve for itself while black people are in the state they are today. Nobody deserves respect until they earn it.

the difference here is voluntary migration vs involuntary migration. add to the fact that the chinese that came as slaves and were targets of bigotry started as a population of 800k and dropped to 116k over a few decades due to miscegenation laws, cruel treatment during the building of the railroads, and anti-asian immigration laws.

the vietnamese refugees were given different treatment because of their status as allies in the vietnam war against the communist north and would have faced certain death if not brought over.

taiwan was started by wealthy nationalists fleeing from red China. SOUTH Korea prospered through ongoing relations with the US.

Asians are not the model minority and should not be used as an affront to other minority groups! :thumbsdown:

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: BannedTroll
Please google "reconstruction"

http://www.americaslibrary.gov/cgi-bin/page.cgi/jb/recon

After the North defeated the South in the Civil War, politicians faced the task of putting the divided country back together. There was great debate about how severely the former Confederate states should be punished for leaving the Union. With the assassination of President Lincoln in 1865, it was up to President Andrew Johnson to try to reunite former enemies. The Reconstruction Acts of 1867 laid out the process for readmitting Southern states into the Union. The Fourteenth Amendment (1868) provided former slaves with national citizenship, and the Fifteenth Amendment (1870) granted black men the right to vote. These were only the first steps, however, toward reconstructing the fragmented nation.

That was the only site that didn't have Confederate flag-waving idiots whining about the Northern Agression. Anyways, that still doesn't explain the logic of extending voting rights to blacks if Lincoln's solution was to ship them back.

 

[FreshFish]

Originally posted by: Arkitech
A lot of times I hear people say that slavery happened a long time ago why bring it up now? I also hear some people say that slavery does'nt affect anyone living today. I used to get angry when I heard statements like that but now I realize that people just need to be better informed about slavery in america and its far reaching effects.

Some of the reasons slavery still affects people in America

1. The Civil War

2. During slavery slaves received minimal to no education, therefore when these people were eventually freed little emphasis was placed on acheiving higher learning if any at all.

3. Families were often broken apart during slave times and as most people who study history realize that strong families are the basis for strong communities. So when many slaves were freed their very foundation from the beginning was fractured.

4. Perhaps one of the most far reaching effects of slavery is the racism and hatred. I can't even begin to explain how it feels to belong to a race of people who can invoke pure hatred from others based solely on the color of their skin. Often times I've wished to be any other race than black simply to not have to deal with the racism and hatred.

5. Economically black people have suffered because of slavery. Many blacks in the US who have slaves ancestors can trace them back in 3 or 4 generations. (my grandmother's grandmother was a slave) And while this does'nt appear to be much of a factor think about americans who have 3 or 4 generations in this country. Thats 3 or 4 generations of family who've had the opportunity to attend college, build businesses, pass down family fortunes, etc.



I don't offer these explanations as an excuse for crime in the black community nor do these explanations give any black person the right to display racist attitudes towards whites. However I think people should have a clearer understanding of how slavery affects people today.

I liked the post. Thanks

 

[ed21x]

Originally posted by: djplayx714

Originally posted by: ed21x
it really is sad how black people make so many excuses for themselves for how little they were able to accomplish.

The chinese came as slaves, were the target of bigotry, and came in every bit as poor as the blacks
A good number of vietnamese came over as refugees.
Korea and Taiwan was never really rich as a country until recently (past 30 years), and thus most people you see here migrated in poor conditions.

analyse and see why given the same resources + a language barrier, asians are willing to work hard to achieve for itself while black people are in the state they are today. Nobody deserves respect until they earn it.

the difference here is voluntary migration vs involuntary migration. add to the fact that the chinese that came as slaves and were targets of bigotry started as a population of 800k and dropped to 116k over a few decades due to miscegenation laws, cruel treatment during the building of the railroads, and anti-asian immigration laws.

the vietnamese refugees were given different treatment because of their status as allies in the vietnam war against the communist north and would have faced certain death if not brought over.

taiwan was started by wealthy nationalists fleeing from red China. SOUTH Korea prospered through ongoing relations with the US.

Asians are not the model minority and should not be used as an affront to other minority groups! :thumbsdown:

correction:
the vietnamese people were hardly wanted at home due to widespread anti-sentiments during the war... a good way to view it would be comparing it to Modern day afganistan refugees, except with them coming over-- the general US populace is incapable of differentiating friend and foe outside of skin color.

The taiwanese government was extremely wealthy, but ruled over a very poor population that resulted in many coupes and political upheavals- hence the various masacres and martial law during that period. I believe martial law stopped sometime in the 80's.

South Korea did NOT prosper until recently, and by recently, i mean the last 20 years, as that was approximately how long it took for them to build up their country since the war. Since tbe OP was referring to minorities and generational influence, I cited this example to illustrate how many poor Koreans immigrated to LA during the 70's and 80's and settled in what was the one of the poorest and most crime-ridden areas in LA. Given time, a Korean community developed there that has continued to prosper due to all the tiny upstart bakeries, markets, mom and pop shops, etc...
-yes, all of them came over voluntarily, most by packing into huge barges and riding the waves in some truely dilapicated conditions.

 

[SynthDude2001]

Originally posted by: HalosPuma

Originally posted by: Arkitech
Some of the reasons slavery still affects people in America

1. The Civil War

That is incorrect. It was the War of Northern Aggression. A sovereign nation - the Confederate States of America - was invaded by Lincoln.

Further, no one is affected by slavery in America. That's just an excuse for lazy people to not do anything. Just take a look at all of the foreigners who have come to our country since the 1960's and how they are successful. The problem is that the black community as a whole thinks they are entitled to something instead of actually working hard to attain it just like all of the other minorities do. Now, if every non-white person was a failure, then that could be something to complain about. In fact, blacks have every advantage over foreigners - they aready speak American English, know our traditions, and have plenty of relatives to support them.

Now, what is still negatively affecting America today? The so-called "civil-rights" movement of the 60's. That piece of legislation has taken away one of the biggest freedoms we had: freedom of association. I have the freedom to be friends with whomever I choose (no homos). I have the freedom to date whomever I choose (white girls). However, if I start my own company, I now have to follow a whole mess of regulations and "affirmative action" for "equal-opportunity employment?" What kind of crap is that? Let the free-market decide. If people are so offended that I won't hire certain types of people, then they won't buy my product and I'll either (a) go out of business; or (b) compromise and hire those other types of people in order to generate more business.

For the record, I do have a black friend and he thinks like Bill Cosby and the other respectable blacks. Never once called his other black friends "n!ggas" or other degrading comments like that, speaks English clearly, and wears clothes that fit him, not XXXXXL sizes.

😕

My sarcasm meter just exploded.

 

[HalosPuma]

Originally posted by: her209

The Fourteenth Amendment (1868) provided former slaves with national citizenship

Amendment 14: Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

This needs to be repealed. The purpose of this amendment has long been over with and now this is why we have all of the illegals here in the US. They run over and pop out their baby which automatically becomes a US citizen. Those "anchor babies" then pull in all of the other Mexicans.

 

[viking66]

My father grew up as a migrant worker in a 2 room house that had a dirt floor, his father had a stroke and was paralized on one half of his body when my dad was 9 years old..

When I was 5 my mother and father devorce.

When I was 15 my father was working in a steelmill that when under and closed without giving out retirement to the workers


Guess what, I graduated from Purdue University and now work making 70g a year.


So much for your poor, broken family concept..

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: HalosPuma

Originally posted by: her209

The Fourteenth Amendment (1868) provided former slaves with national citizenship

Amendment 14: Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

This needs to be repealed. The purpose of this amendment has long been over with and now this is why we have all of the illegals here in the US. They run over and pop out their baby which automatically becomes a US citizen. Those "anchor babies" then pull in all of the other Mexicans.

LOL you moron. It's those "conservatives" you love so much that want them here for cheap labor. They don't enforce the immigration laws. No I9 investigations in years. Simply hire an illegal with no worries, cheap too. Oh man you have no clue do you? Amnesty is coming form Bush, your hero for 14million future latino vote to republican party. Pop pop pop.🙂

 

[EmperorIQ]

Originally posted by: Arkitech

Originally posted by: Yossarian
I don't see how any of those things, most of which occurred 200 years ago, affect people today. And I don't think racism is a result of slavery, it's a result of stupidity.

If your grandparents were poor, uneducated and a potential target for racism anywhere in the US I can assure you that it would have an impact on your life in some form or another.

I can assure you, my parents were poor, uneducated and a potential target for racism (came from vietname as refugees during the war) My sister and I are both going to college now. I don't see an bad impact in my life due to how my parents were uneducated, poor (when i saw poor i mean pooooooor, and still now) and a target for racism. Some of your points have flaws in them.

 

[djplayx714]

Originally posted by: ed21x

Originally posted by: djplayx714

Originally posted by: ed21x
it really is sad how black people make so many excuses for themselves for how little they were able to accomplish.

The chinese came as slaves, were the target of bigotry, and came in every bit as poor as the blacks
A good number of vietnamese came over as refugees.
Korea and Taiwan was never really rich as a country until recently (past 30 years), and thus most people you see here migrated in poor conditions.

analyse and see why given the same resources + a language barrier, asians are willing to work hard to achieve for itself while black people are in the state they are today. Nobody deserves respect until they earn it.

the difference here is voluntary migration vs involuntary migration. add to the fact that the chinese that came as slaves and were targets of bigotry started as a population of 800k and dropped to 116k over a few decades due to miscegenation laws, cruel treatment during the building of the railroads, and anti-asian immigration laws.

the vietnamese refugees were given different treatment because of their status as allies in the vietnam war against the communist north and would have faced certain death if not brought over.

taiwan was started by wealthy nationalists fleeing from red China. SOUTH Korea prospered through ongoing relations with the US.

Asians are not the model minority and should not be used as an affront to other minority groups! :thumbsdown:

correction:
the vietnamese people were hardly wanted at home due to widespread anti-sentiments during the war... a good way to view it would be comparing it to Modern day afganistan refugees, except with them coming over-- the general US populace is incapable of differentiating friend and foe outside of skin color.

The taiwanese government was extremely wealthy, but ruled over a very poor population that resulted in many coupes and political upheavals- hence the various masacres and martial law during that period. I believe martial law stopped sometime in the 80's.

South Korea did NOT prosper until recently, and by recently, i mean the last 20 years, as that was approximately how long it took for them to build up their country since the war. Since tbe OP was referring to minorities and generational influence, I cited this example to illustrate how many poor Koreans immigrated to LA during the 70's and 80's and settled in what was the one of the poorest and most crime-ridden areas in LA. Given time, a Korean community developed there that has continued to prosper due to all the tiny upstart bakeries, markets, mom and pop shops, etc...
-yes, all of them came over voluntarily, most by packing into huge barges and riding the waves in some truely dilapicated conditions.

(a) being vietnamese and having refugees as parents i believe its safe to say that the only populations unwanted in Vietnam following the war were 1. aristocrats 2. south vietnamese army 3. chinese. however your paragraph doesnt go against my original comment. i stated that the refugees fled and arrived to US on good terms due to the circumstances at hand. perhaps i was not clear on that fact.
(b) a majority of the successful taiwanese population in the US did not migrate over until the recent 70s and 80s following the abolishment of the antiasian immigration laws and did so with a well laid foundation and financial backing.
(c) educational standards in Asia ensure that any immigrants arriving to the US start better off in terms of education and finances versus a minority in the US that may have suffered under unequal conditions that have affected them over many generations.

my point is there are small parallels between the two groups but my main point remains that Asians should not be used as a model minority against other minority groups.

 

[EmperorIQ]

Originally posted by: MrDingleDangle
man and i gotta study tonight...cant stay and read thread...must study...aaaaahhh

same here, good luck on your final

 

[BannedTroll]

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: BannedTroll
Please google "reconstruction"

http://www.americaslibrary.gov/cgi-bin/page.cgi/jb/recon

After the North defeated the South in the Civil War, politicians faced the task of putting the divided country back together. There was great debate about how severely the former Confederate states should be punished for leaving the Union. With the assassination of President Lincoln in 1865, it was up to President Andrew Johnson to try to reunite former enemies. The Reconstruction Acts of 1867 laid out the process for readmitting Southern states into the Union. The Fourteenth Amendment (1868) provided former slaves with national citizenship, and the Fifteenth Amendment (1870) granted black men the right to vote. These were only the first steps, however, toward reconstructing the fragmented nation.

That was the only site that didn't have Confederate flag-waving idiots whining about the Northern Agression. Anyways, that still doesn't explain the logic of extending voting rights to blacks if Lincoln's solution was to ship them back.

A. it wasn't feasible to ship them back.
B. this was another way to further "punish" the south even though it was the right thing to do
C. Lincoln was dead before the reconstruction acts came about which is what actually extended the right to vote to blacks.


I think it should also be noted that neither women or white men without property could vote at this time.


Other good words for you:
Liberia
repatriation

 

[Mo0o]

Plenty of asian immigrate here without even something to start with and we're doing alright. It's not an excuse