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Slavery reparations rally
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I don't think that the cupabilty one party ends with the death of the other party.
Example:
A man (husband & father), is injured because of a mis-labeled or non-labeled hazardous chemical he HAD to work with during the course of his occupation.
He brings a suit for damages against his employer who KNEW about the hazards associated with the chemical, but chose not to post any warnings.
The man dies as a result of his injuries before any settelment or even judgement can be made regarding his suit.
The employer should not be let off the hook just because the injured man has died.
It would be the same case, even if the man died before anyone found out about employers wrongdoing. His wife and children should be compensated for their loss.
Example:
A man (husband & father), is injured because of a mis-labeled or non-labeled hazardous chemical he HAD to work with during the course of his occupation.
He brings a suit for damages against his employer who KNEW about the hazards associated with the chemical, but chose not to post any warnings.
The man dies as a result of his injuries before any settelment or even judgement can be made regarding his suit.
The employer should not be let off the hook just because the injured man has died.
It would be the same case, even if the man died before anyone found out about employers wrongdoing. His wife and children should be compensated for their loss.
If USA treats them so badly, why don't they pack their bags and move back to Africa? I mean, Africa must be heaven on Earth, when compared to USA where "the man" keeps the black population down and whites are racists.
Why is it then that the other races that came one way or anuther to the USA are doing just fine, but the blacks need government handouts to survive?
I think the slaves that are alive should be compensated. And people who compensate should be the living slave-owners. And while they are at it, they could also demand money from the people who sold the slaves in the first place (that would be the blacks in Africa). But to give money to people who never suffered from the slavery? To have people who never had slaves cough up that money? That's just plain stupid. The fact that the ancestors of modern-day blacks were ferrioed across the Atlantic was propably the best thing that could have happened to blacks in USA. Because of that, they live in a prosperous nation. Had the slavery not happened those people would be living in Africa with far lower standard of living.
My message to the people who make these stupid demands.
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There must not be a Blood Debt. It is just wrong.
The reparations movement seeks compensation from the U.S. government, not from former slave owners or their families.
The U.S. government is alive and well... let's just say it's alive 😉
BTW, The slaves who "made it" on their trip across the ocean were strong, or they would not have survived. Who's to say that these strong Aficans, left on their own continent, would not have built it into a superpower today?
The U.S. government is alive and well... let's just say it's alive 😉
BTW, The slaves who "made it" on their trip across the ocean were strong, or they would not have survived. Who's to say that these strong Aficans, left on their own continent, would not have built it into a superpower today?
the problem is that the government was not the employer. its like sueing the government because my great grandfather wronged an employee somehow somewhere. its just a greedy way to try to shift blame. maybe they should sue the governments of many african countries for selling slaves oh so long ago. they were the root of the problem. they did not protect their people and instead willlingly profited from their trade. their governments are alive and well too.
if the US was the crack addict, Africa was the greedy crack dealer.
I hope they are organized better that the Reparations Now! website. If not, they're done for.
by that standard the US was coconspirator for every wrong ever commited in the US. time to sue for the chinese railroad workers, time to sue because 1million died in the civil war, time to sue for everything😛 it decents into absurdity.
and well, "deep pockets" are in africa too. But you know, these reparation nutz are basically racist at their core, they'd rather not go after africa. you know what they should be asking for? acres of african land for each african american decended directly from slavery. diamond rights, gold rights! there is plenty of wealth to be had.
and well, "deep pockets" are in africa too. But you know, these reparation nutz are basically racist at their core, they'd rather not go after africa. you know what they should be asking for? acres of african land for each african american decended directly from slavery. diamond rights, gold rights! there is plenty of wealth to be had.
Where on earth do you think the government will get the money to pay reparations? Will the members of congress agree to forego pay for a year or two and kick in their salaries? Will we drain the money out of the welfare system (since once reparations are paid everyone involved will be instantly better off)? NO! It will come out of the pockets of tax payers like me and you. Do not think for one minute that a single dime spent by the government does not come directly from you.
Ever heard the expression "sins of the father?" Example: your great-grandfather killed my great-grandfather, but only recently have we been able to prove the case through newly developed methods (say, DNA testing). Now, should you serve jail time for that crime? Just becuse your great-grandfather is dead, does that excuse your family of the wrong doing? Should I be able to sure for punitive damages and get money from your family? Your argument seems to suggest that I should be able to do exactly that.
Now, take the crime back several generations and let's make your great-great-great-great-great-grandfather the guilty party. After all these generations of marriage you are really quite far removed from him. But the argument for reparations says I should still seek damages from you.
Does that seem fair?
What I was trying to say in the above posts are that I can see why people would want compensation and even feel entitled to it.
But as I stated also...
"I can understand the basis and emotion behind the reparations movement (on the grass roots level), but the qualifications of payment does have me perplexed."
I think it would sort of be like winning a judgement against someone who was bankrupt.
I would still like to know what the qualifications would possibly be to receive compensation. Can anyone riddle me that one?
But as I stated also...
"I can understand the basis and emotion behind the reparations movement (on the grass roots level), but the qualifications of payment does have me perplexed."
I think it would sort of be like winning a judgement against someone who was bankrupt.
I would still like to know what the qualifications would possibly be to receive compensation. Can anyone riddle me that one?
CripplerCrossface
Senior member
your entire post. i dont know how you could even type the last few statements in your post.
to say that 200 years of suffering and enslavement to blacks is pretty vile and gargantuan.
I think it is a great Idea, I mean someone they never knew was put through the unspeakable, so we should obviously give them reparations. My great great great grandfather had to work 2 jobs so his family could eat, 2 of his children died because of this, I DEMAND reparations in the ammount of 1 million dollars per each death. Grow a backbone and get a job, stop trying to get something for nothing, there is a reason why you live in poverty, and guess what...it is not "the man"
CripplerCrossface
Senior member
I for one strongly disagree with reparations. Its stupid and will impede the progress of the black community as a whole. Instead of talking about giving reparations, they should be trying to get rid of Affirmative action. Both AA and reparations are unneccesary and hold most black people back from being the best they can be.
Giving reparations now does not solve the social problem of african-american repression nor does it somehow forgive the slavery that took place. And as questioned here, should the amount paid out be comparable to the slaves work hours, their amout of suffering, or whatever can be drained from the taxpayers...?
Also, present day reparation, (for some given amount) would probably be much less than the actual payment of labor in that day an age (plus applicable food/maintenance/delivery expenses for the slaves). Therefore from an investment prospective, setting aside any variances in the labor characteristics of slave versus wage labor, the slave holders still benefited at the cost of todays generation.
BTW, to greatly simplify the situation, slave labor just doesnt work (and not just for humanitarian reasons) from a labor economics perspective; certainly not in modern markers, where, for example, human capital has become so important.
Also, present day reparation, (for some given amount) would probably be much less than the actual payment of labor in that day an age (plus applicable food/maintenance/delivery expenses for the slaves). Therefore from an investment prospective, setting aside any variances in the labor characteristics of slave versus wage labor, the slave holders still benefited at the cost of todays generation.
BTW, to greatly simplify the situation, slave labor just doesnt work (and not just for humanitarian reasons) from a labor economics perspective; certainly not in modern markers, where, for example, human capital has become so important.
CripplerCrossface
Senior member
Who exactly is living in poverty. last time i checked the "poor" black population was only about 25%. the government has held back blacks up until about 1960 or when the civil rights movenment was at its peak. its awonder that the black middle class population is as large as it is. but u cant relistically expect a whole race of people to get back on their feet after only one generation.
My entire post? OK, let's go through the key issues in my post one by one:
"If they hate living in USA so much. maybe they should move back to Africa"
What's racist about that? Obviously they seem to hate living in USA. So shouldn't they then move back to their ancestors homes where they were removed against their will? Why won't they do that? Because they are alot better off in USA? Then why do they whine if their alternative is even worse?
"Why do other races in USA do so well but blacks need government handouts"
Nothing racists there, just an honest question. I haven't seen any hispanics or asians lining up to get "repatations", they do just fine. Why should blacks get special treatment?
"I think the slaves that are alive should be compensated. And people who compensate should be the living slave-owners. And while they are at it, they could also demand money from the people who sold the slaves in the first place (that would be the blacks in Africa)"
Again, nothing racist there. Just an honest observation that the people who directly suffered from slavery should be compensated by the people who directly exploited them (as they did in Germany), Also, the people who sold slaves should also pay compensation.
"The fact that the ancestors of modern-day blacks were ferrioed across the Atlantic was propably the best thing that could have happened to blacks in USA."
That isn't racism, it's a FACT. Or do you claim that blacks in Africa are better off than blacks in USA? How did large part of american blacks end up in USA? Their ancestors were brought over as slaves.
It seems to me that you are hypersensitive and extremely PC.
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