Skyrim - 560ti runs better than new 7950?

[Rikard]

Why express, specifically, that a problem occurs on Nvidia hardware as well? Adds nothing to the discussion as he didn't run into any issues with his new card, but did on his previous.

He had an NV card. He installed an AMD card. He then switched back to another NV card. Sounds like driver installation fubar to me.

I am not going to tell anybody how to spend their money, but it would be wrong to suggest to anybody else with this problem that they need to spend another few hunded USD just to fix a bad installation. During my time in the military I noticed that about 95% of all problems were caused by the user, not the hardware or software. Just sayin'.

 

[Tweak155]

He had an NV card. He installed an AMD card. He then switched back to another NV card. Sounds like driver installation fubar to me.

I am not going to tell anybody how to spend their money, but it would be wrong to suggest to anybody else with this problem that they need to spend another few hunded USD just to fix a bad installation. During my time in the military I noticed that about 95% of all problems were caused by the user, not the hardware or software. Just sayin'.

You clearly didn't follow the flow of the conversation, and possibly did not grasp what actually happened. How did it cost him a few hundred USD to fix it? You don't think he got his money back for the 7950 or what?

 

[VulgarDisplay]

Why express, specifically, that a problem occurs on Nvidia hardware as well? Adds nothing to the discussion as he didn't run into any issues with his new card, but did on his previous. Fanboy alert goes off at that point.

Just sayin'.

All I'm sayin' is that this forum is ridiculous that even the most innocent comment incites some ridiculous witch hunt that also adds nothing to the discussion. I actually pity the mods around here having to deal with all the crap.

It's common knowledge that driver installation problems occur regardless of brand, and he appeared to have some misguided belief that the card was not working because it was from AMD and not because he didn't properly uninstall his old drivers before putting in the AMD card.

 

[Rikard]

You clearly didn't follow the flow of the conversation, and possibly did not grasp what actually happened. How did it cost him a few hundred USD to fix it? You don't think he got his money back for the 7950 or what?

I followed the conversation. I am not here to compare prices of cards. I said I think the OP suffered from a self induced problem. Why the aggro?

 

[haas1mj]

Well if their was any issue it was going 13.1 cats to 13.2. I had no issues when I first installed the 7950 and 13.1 cats after removing my Nvidia drivers (except that the game play was super stuttery). I used AMD's uninstall tool as well when going from 13.1 to 13.2 then reinstalled and starting getting the blue screens.

 

[Tweak155]

All I'm sayin' is that this forum is ridiculous that even the most innocent comment incites some ridiculous witch hunt that also adds nothing to the discussion. I actually pity the mods around here having to deal with all the crap.

It's common knowledge that driver installation problems occur regardless of brand, and he appeared to have some misguided belief that the card was not working because it was from AMD and not because he didn't properly uninstall his old drivers before putting in the AMD card.

I guess I didn't get the same impression from his comments. He was merely noting his experience, IMO.

 

[Tweak155]

I followed the conversation. I am not here to compare prices of cards. I said I think the OP suffered from a self induced problem. Why the aggro?

Your comment had little (nothing?) to do with what you quoted. It just made no sense, and then went on a tangent that wasn't related, either. When did anyone recommend he actually switch cards to solve his problem? He didn't ask on how to fix an issue (at that point), his goal was to have a hassle free experience. He, on his own, went and exchanged the card.

It just so happened that when he switched out the cards, he did in fact receive a hassle free experience. Had the switch also caused an issue, he'd likely be equally disappointed. But in this case, that did not happen.

So what is the point in trying to figure out the previous problem when, at this point, we can no longer conclude what the actual issue was - other than assumptions? Further, the OP no longer has an issue.

 

[Rvenger]

Well if their was any issue it was going 13.1 cats to 13.2. I had no issues when I first installed the 7950 and 13.1 cats after removing my Nvidia drivers (except that the game play was super stuttery). I used AMD's uninstall tool as well when going from 13.1 to 13.2 then reinstalled and starting getting the blue screens.

AMD uninstall tool is broken on Windows 8. They still haven't fixed this????


http://www.overclock.net/t/1350604/official-amd-catalyst-driver-uninstallation-utility

 

[nenforcer]

Did you do an extra couple of reboots between uninstalling the ATI Catalyst drivers so that Windows can load the default VGA drivers?

 

[Fx1]

If you cant handle a few bugs in a few games on new hardware then go buy a console.

Nvidia are no saints and for months Skyrim would stutter like crap on my 460 GTX SLI and there was NO fix for that.

If you want to spend more money on a potentially inferior card and performance then its up to u.

 

[Mogadon]

FYI - There hasn't been a requirement to uninstall old AMD drivers when updating to the new version for a while, you're not even required to reboot I think.

I know that I haven't uninstalled old drivers when updating since at least the beginning of last year, that's on three computers, two running 7970's and one running a 5970, no problems here. I pretty much update every time a new version is released. I usually do reboot but I'm pretty sure there is no actual requirement to.

 

[notty22]

I reboot and do clean installs myself. But windows7 is very resilient. You can run both manufactures/drivers at the same time after all. If everything is running correct, that is. People should always revert any overclock to stock and check back memory speed, latency if pushing performance. And encountering problems

 

[SolMiester]

If you cant handle a few bugs in a few games on new hardware then go buy a console.

Nvidia are no saints and for months Skyrim would stutter like crap on my 460 GTX SLI and there was NO fix for that.

If you want to spend more money on a potentially inferior card and performance then its up to u.

So you are saying the 670 is an inferior card to the 7950?...LOL...wow

 

[f1sherman]

So you are saying the 670 is an inferior card to the 7950?...LOL...wow

Yeah... on average over 0.8%. And you also lose a hobby.

OP YOU LAZY GAMER, COME BACK and lets troubleshoot some more

 

[BeauCharles]

If you cant handle a few bugs in a few games on new hardware then go buy a console.

Nvidia are no saints and for months Skyrim would stutter like crap on my 460 GTX SLI and there was NO fix for that.

If you want to spend more money on a potentially inferior card and performance then its up to u.

Not much you can do about a 1GB useable frame buffer. SLI doesn't fix that and Skyrim will easily fill it on Ultra.

 

[haas1mj]

Yeah... on average over 0.8%. And you also lose a hobby.

OP YOU LAZY GAMER, COME BACK and lets troubleshoot some more

I troubleshoot all day lol Most days when I come home from work it's the last thing I want to do.

Oh and it seems like i've some how indirectly turned this into an Nvidia vs AMD thread, which is not what I was going for. Pretty much was just following the benchmarks off of Anandtech and the January video card guide on Tom's Hardware.

 

[UaVaj]

Well I unfortunately did not have the same results as you. I got home from work and uninstalled the 13.1's, installed the 13.2b, fired up Skyrim, and boom! Blue screen LOL. I tried a few more of the suggested tweaks and I was still getting blue screens. So I ended up taking the card back to Microcenter and forking out the extra cash for an MSI GTX 670 2GB Power edition. It ended up costing me $369, but I am completely satisfied with the new card. Runs Skyrim beautifully with no stuttering or blue screens. I'm not sure if it was a bad 7950 or not, but I think i'll be sticking with Nvidia for a while.

without a fresh install. who knows what the culprit is.

bottomline is you are happy. money well spent.

 

[Tweak155]

I troubleshoot all day lol Most days when I come home from work it's the last thing I want to do.

Oh and it seems like i've some how indirectly turned this into an Nvidia vs AMD thread, which is not what I was going for. Pretty much was just following the benchmarks off of Anandtech and the January video card guide on Tom's Hardware.

without a fresh install. who knows what the culprit is.

bottomline is you are happy. money well spent.

These. Like I said, he was merely stating his experience. Not your fault OP.

 

[parvadomus]

Just to say that installed 13.2, and skyrim runs smooth as butter now
It seems that OP was just too lazy to do a clean install..

 

[Tweak155]

Just to say that installed 13.2, and skyrim runs smooth as butter now
It seems that OP was just too lazy to do a clean install..

Lazy has nothing to do with it. No one wants to buy something brand new and have to do additional work to get it going.

 

[haas1mj]

Just to say that installed 13.2, and skyrim runs smooth as butter now
It seems that OP was just too lazy to do a clean install..

What exactly entails a "clean install?" I completely uninstalled the 13.1's using AMD's uninstall tool from the control panel. Then downloaded and installed the 13.2's. Not to fuel this AMD/Nvidia war, but when I update my Nvidia drivers I usually just go right over the top of the previous ones(not the greatest practice I know, but i've never had any issues.) It seems a little ridiculous if I have to do more than using a tool that AMD provides.

 

[Tweak155]

What exactly entails a "clean install?" I completely uninstalled the 13.1's using AMD's uninstall tool from the control panel. Then downloaded and installed the 13.2's. Not to fuel this AMD/Nvidia war, but when I update my Nvidia drivers I usually just go right over the top of the previous ones(not the greatest practice I know, but i've never had any issues.) It seems a little ridiculous if I have to do more than using a tool that AMD provides.

It's ok, they're trying to draw it out of you. I didn't see the intent prior to all these other replies.

 

[haas1mj]

Maybe I should just stick to General Hardware and PC gaming, this is a rough area lol.

 

[amenx]

Maybe I should just stick to General Hardware and PC gaming, this is a rough area lol.

That was funny.

 

[ICDP]

What exactly entails a "clean install?" I completely uninstalled the 13.1's using AMD's uninstall tool from the control panel. Then downloaded and installed the 13.2's. Not to fuel this AMD/Nvidia war, but when I update my Nvidia drivers I usually just go right over the top of the previous ones(not the greatest practice I know, but i've never had any issues.) It seems a little ridiculous if I have to do more than using a tool that AMD provides.

Don't get drawn in, you made your choice, be happy with it. You don't need to justify your purchase/choices.

For future reference, when switching between AMD/Nvidia it might is worth doing a driver clean using Driver sweeper or dome other driver cleaner software. I have a GTX 680 and a HD 7950 and sometimes switch between them. More often than not everything goes smoothly with a simple driver uninstall but on occasion things go tits up. The last time I put the 7950 in everything looked OK until I noticed that MSAA was not applying in a few games. A quick driver sweep fixed the problem.

So contrary to what is the accepted norm, it is not always just fine to do a simple uninstall when switching GPU vendors.

Either way, enjoy your new card.