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Skylake upgrad having stability problems.

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wingman04 said:
It is nice to have people to talk to while I figure out my stability problem, thanks for the help.
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At least I'm not helping just you. You're 'not helping' a lot of people that can try to imitate your clever experiments.
Good luck with your problem anyway.
 
I see the stability problem: it's you, OP. You seek help, yet brag about "I'm a past PC tech". Good for you buddy. Just cause you call yourself something, doesn't mean you are any good at it. You seek help to a problem, great we all need that from time to time. But to then ridicule people's suggestions, proper ones at that, with your insane concept that are pretty much stupid at best, then link to some stupid youtube video as "proof"?

So, there is nothing wrong with the hardware, or there might be. We won't know till you stop with the dumb "no heatsink" concept. What you use to do before doesn't guarantee future results.

You are in the wrong field. Glad you left being a tech and giving us real techs a bad name. Get an iPad. That should fix YOUR problem.


**Here's comes the ban hammer.**
 
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Not to mention, the processor and heatspreader have been engineered to have a hunk of metal attached, with a fan attached to them.

Without a heatsink attached, certain portions of the die, like the memory controller in particular, might "hotspot", and you wouldn't be able to tell that just from the DTS readings in HWMonitor.

OP, stop trolling, and put a proper heatsink with some TIM applied on. Then we can start talking.
 
VirtualLarry said:
OP, stop trolling, and put a proper heatsink with some TIM applied on. Then we can start talking.
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Larry, did you not read he is a former computer tech? How dare you imply his stability problems are related to not using a cooler. 😉

Seriously, you have more patience than I do. I gave up after asking a couple of questions, and not getting a straight answer. Once I saw the "no heatsink" comment and the general argumentative and smug attitude, I decided not to waste my time.

Nothing more annoying than when someone posts a 'help me' thread, and then proceeds to argue with the people who attempt to help them. Finally, I think anyone who tries to justify why they run an overclocked 6600k without a heatsink, is beyond help.

In 16 years I have been on these forums, this is by far the most, to be nice, the most 'interesting' post I have ever seen.
 
If you just want totally silent CPU cooling, at least put a heat sink (with thermal compound) on it. If you're not stressing the CPU, the passive air cooling of a finned heat sink is *far* better than a bare CPU. Even the stock Intel cooler with the fan unplugged *might* work.
 
techne said:
At least I'm not helping just you. You're 'not helping' a lot of people that can try to imitate your clever experiments.
Good luck with your problem anyway.
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At the time of the question about my CPU temp, I had to prove a point and remove my heatsink, to show everyone it's not about temperature, on a stock clocked CPU at low load. I have had to work on many CPUs with a stuck fan they just throttle forever with no stability problems, Intels are made to throttle at 100c and shutdown about 120c .. This is my seconded skylake build in a month and the first one had a defective CPU at Idle. This one is vary hard to trouble shoot and I do not like throwing parts at any of my work.

ELopes580 said:
I see the stability problem: it's you, OP. You seek help, yet brag about "I'm a past PC tech". Good for you buddy. Just cause you call yourself something, doesn't mean you are any good at it. You seek help to a problem, great we all need that from time to time. But to then ridicule people's suggestions, proper ones at that, with your insane concept that are pretty much stupid at best, then link to some stupid youtube video as "proof"?

So, there is nothing wrong with the hardware, or there might be. We won't know till you stop with the dumb "no heatsink" concept. What you use to do before doesn't guarantee future results.

You are in the wrong field. Glad you left being a tech and giving us real techs a bad name. Get an iPad. That should fix YOUR problem.

**Here's comes the ban hammer.**
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I'm having good luck with the memory change so far, more testing has to be done, that is why I'm in this forum.
Why a band hammer I'm just trying to prove my points. Or do you not like it when I prove my points.

LTC8K6 said:
So they ran it for a very short time with the HSF taken off but still plugged in.

So what?

What is that supposed to prove?

If you are going to limit the CPU to low power, and bypass the mobo CPU fan safeguards to get it to boot, then just buy a much cheaper low power CPU.

What's the point of turning an expensive fast CPU into a cheap slow CPU?
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I just needed to boot my pc up to do a test without my heatsink, it's back on now. I have been spending all my time in this post about temp. When you overclock temperature maters, your running the intel CPU out of speciation and it will cause a unstable CPU.

I attended college for computer literacy, programming, computer electronics. I'm using a hyper 212 for cooling.
 
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VirtualLarry said:
Ya think? Think just maybe, running it without a heatsink, is "running it out of specification"?
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In a controlled condition not overclocking watching my temperature, then it is in Specifications. This should not be done if you don't know what you are doing, this is not for amateurs.

It is like all the people that don't correctly mount the intel heatsinks and they complain about low performance, thermal throttling. High power laptops Throttle a lot in the sun also in cars with outside temperatures of 100F+, they use intel products in the desert of Iraq.

Edit: So far it has been going good for 6 hours with a memory change.
 
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http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/processors/000006710.html

"Allowing processors to operate at temperatures beyond their maximum specified operating temperature may shorten the life of the processor and can cause unreliable operation."

"Proper "thermal management" depends on two major elements: a heatsink properly mounted to the processor, and effective airflow through the system chassis. The ultimate goal of thermal management is to keep the processor at or below its maximum operating temperature."

"The heatsink included with the boxed Intel Xeon processor must be securely attached to the processor. Thermal interface material (applied during system integration) provides effective heat transfer from the processor to the fan heatsink.

Critical: Using the boxed processor without properly applying the included thermal interface material will void the boxed processor warranty and may cause damage to the processor."

These are all Xeon docs, but I doubt if the consumer CPU documentation is substantially different.

Edit: I have in front of me, the little pamphlet manual that comes with a Skylake Pentium G4400 CPU, labeled "Intel Pentium Processor". It lists "Installation instructions". Unfortunately, it's all in pictures. I could have sworn I remember past little manuals stating that their processors "were not to be operated without heatsink and fan attached".

But I searched this manual, and I couldn't find that wording.

I just remember (all too well), that TH video, with the P4 and Athlon XP, with what happens when you remove the heatsink. P4 slowed way down and throttled, AXP basically blew up. Then again, some people said that video was intentionally faked. I don't know for sure.
 
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Larry, this is a post from Intel support that dealt with a person who, by accident, ran the CPU without the fan working/plugged in.

They seem to also agree it is pretty stupid to run that CPU without proper cooling.

But who knows for sure. I mean what do Intel engineers really know about this? 😉

https://communities.intel.com/thread/84719

For anybody who stumbles across this thread from a Google search, it is absolutely moronic to purposely run a 6600k without a heatsink, paste, and fan. You will void your warranty, and could end up destroying the CPU (like the OP likely did to his first CPU that was "defective at idle").

And yes, I know there are few people out there who will want to buy a fanless CPU cooler, but that's a very small segment, and they at least still have case fans blowing across it.
 
OP, what are you using to monitor temperature? What part of the CPU are you monitoring temperature? Are you monitoring frequency as well? You claim you are running Prime95 @ 4.2 GHz; but are you sure it is maintaining that frequency at load? I don't believe it is.

Download Intel XTU and run a benchmark. It is a light stress test compared to Prime95 let alone LinX. It also is able to monitor temperature and frequency in real time. Windows task manager can even monitor frequency.
 
UsandThem said:
For anybody who stumbles across this thread from a Google search, it is absolutely moronic to purposely run a 6600k without a heatsink, paste, and fan. You will void your warranty, and could end up destroying the CPU (like the OP likely did to his first CPU that was "defective at idle").
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There's no reason to run a CPU like that anyway. What's the point? How long does it take to put on a heatsink, really, and how often do you have to remove the HSF afterwards to change something else?

Unless your HSF is bloody huge, it's not going to get in the way of anything. Most stock HSFs are so small and light that you can pull the whole board, CPU and all.

Obviously if the CPU or board are bad you'd have to remove the HSF, but still, that's an edge case. Most parts don't ship DoA!
 
DrMrLordX said:
There's no reason to run a CPU like that anyway. What's the point? How long does it take to put on a heatsink, really, and how often do you have to remove the HSF afterwards to change something else?
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Agree with you 150%. It doesn't make any sense to me either. In fact, this entire thread, from trying to run benchmarks and stress-tests, to troubleshooting stability issues without a heatsink or fan makes absolutely no sense at all.

Then to say what he is doing is absolutely safe, and he knows what he's doing because he claims to be:

1. Former PC tech.
2. "Attended college for computer literacy, programming, computer electronics".

I just hope someone new to computer building doesn't read his advice, and then proceed to damage their CPU thinking they can run Prime95 with no heatsink/fan.

I guess on the internet people can make whatever claims they want to. I don't possess a 'computer building' degree, but I am someone who has built computers for 20ish years with many different CPUs. And I know running a CPU without a cooler is pointless, potentially damaging, voids your warranty, and is just plain ignorant. No need to sugar coat it.
 
LTC8K6 said:
No heatsink/fan? WTF?

W10 is very good at fixing itself, actually.

Much better than previous versions of Windows, imo.

I am a Win10 Insider. and I have been testing Win10 builds for a long time. One of my test routines was to deliberately try to crash it, by doing stupid things on purpose. I would cut power in the middle of HDD writes, cut power in the middle of update installs, hit the reset button in the middle of writes or updates, etc.

I even changed hardware during an update restart.

Win10 was mostly immune to that behavior. 😀
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It really is incredible when you think about and test it. Many other OSs would simply be borked beyond repair.
 
It's been about 10 hours and the testing is going real good, Prime 95 is running while multitasking. So it looks like a memory problem this time. this one was a tough one to trouble shoot. I had to hammer the memory and CPU with a lot of computations over a long duration.🙂

Well at least you guys know now that you can run your PC without a heat sink however leave that to the professionals, you don't want to shorten the life of your CPU, don't overclock either it will do the same.
 
wingman04 said:
Well at least you guys know now that you can run your PC without a heat sink however leave that to the professionals, you don't want to shorten the life of your CPU.
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Not quite. A professional wouldn't need to post a help thread on here.

Do whatever you want to your hardware, it's your money.

However, don't give out bad advice to others on here, and have someone turn their CPU into a paperweight.
 
wingman04 said:
It's been about 10 hours and the testing is going real good, Prime 95 is running while multitasking. So it looks like a memory problem this time. this one was a tough one to trouble shoot. I had to hammer the memory and CPU with a lot of computations over a long duration.🙂

Well at least you guys know now that you can run your PC without a heat sink however leave that to the professionals, you don't want to shorten the life of your CPU, don't overclock either it will do the same.
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Right click Taskbar, click on Task Manager, click the down arrow that says More Details, click Performance, and then click on CPU. Tell us your CPU frequency while running Prime 95.

It is also a good idea to use other benchmarks and stability tests to verify stability. Download Intel XTU and run the benchmark and tell us your frequency during the test.
 
UsandThem said:
Not quite. A professional wouldn't need to post a help thread on here.

Do whatever you want to your hardware, it's your money.

However, don't give out bad advice to others on here, and have someone turn their CPU into a paperweight.
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I did not ask for your trolling pleas stop or I will report you.

ZGR said:
Right click Taskbar, click on Task Manager, click the down arrow that says More Details, click Performance, and then click on CPU. Tell us your CPU frequency while running Prime 95.

It is also a good idea to use other benchmarks and stability tests to verify stability. Download Intel XTU and run the benchmark and tell us your frequency during the test.
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I'm using CPU-Z and it is perfectly stable for 12 hours now at 4.2GHz now temperature is 47c now max temp today is 62c with using HWMonitor_x64 running prime95, blend and multitasking.
 
wingman04 said:
I did not ask for your trolling pleas stop or I will report you.

I'm using CPU-Z and it is perfectly stable for 12 hours now at 4.2GHz now temperature is 47c now max temp today is 62c with using HWMonitor_x64 running prime95, blend and multitasking.
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So, now you can overclock a quad-core Skylake chip, and run Prime95, and achieve "normal" temps, WITHOUT a heatsink/fan? Who's trolling again?
 
wingman04 said:
I did not ask for your trolling pleas stop or I will report you.
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Go right ahead. I have not attacked you personally in any way. You posted bad information on a public site declaring yourself an expert while experiencing system instability and a previous damaged CPU.....Information that could potentially damage someone's CPU.

If your definition of trolling is someone pointing out you are giving bad information, a mod can look and decide. I'm a big boy. If they feel I stepped over the line in some way, it is what it is. If anything, you have made several comments stating that people who don't agree with you are amatuers.
 
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