Skylake Pentium G4400 Overclocking

[VirtualLarry]

One thing that just struck me is, people seem to suggest buying higher on the product stack, because of the relative longevity of Intel CPUs. (5% performance gain per generation, means that any Intel CPU from the last five years, is still relatively powerful.)

But what they don't seem to realize is, that this applies equally from top to bottom of the lineup, really, if you think about it.

I guess the other side of that question is, are software demands growing faster or slower than CPU performance is increasing, per generation, and does that mean that lower-end CPUs are getting slower faster, and thus it would be wiser to buy higher on the product stack? Or are CPU demands relatively static, or going down, relative to hardware, in which case, the lower-end CPUs would have equally as good longevity as the higher CPUs.

I surf with NoScript, and Flash Player click-to-play, or disabled, and that really makes most web sites very bearable to surf, with a relatively less powerful CPU. Perhaps that's not what most people are seeing, when they web browse, and that's why they feel that I'm making a "mistake" by purchasing such a low-end CPU. I don't use Chrome though, I use Waterfox. Which is pretty-much single-theaded. So only having two hardware threads available, isn't as big a limitation as you think. (Especially with no resident A/V running, either.)

 

[2is]

One thing that just struck me is, people seem to suggest buying higher on the product stack, because of the relative longevity of Intel CPUs. (5% performance gain per generation, means that any Intel CPU from the last five years, is still relatively powerful.)

But what they don't seem to realize is, that this applies equally from top to bottom of the lineup, really, if you think about it.

I guess the other side of that question is, are software demands growing faster or slower than CPU performance is increasing, per generation, and does that mean that lower-end CPUs are getting slower faster, and thus it would be wiser to buy higher on the product stack? Or are CPU demands relatively static, or going down, relative to hardware, in which case, the lower-end CPUs would have equally as good longevity as the higher CPUs.

I surf with NoScript, and Flash Player click-to-play, or disabled, and that really makes most web sites very bearable to surf, with a relatively less powerful CPU. Perhaps that's not what most people are seeing, when they web browse, and that's why they feel that I'm making a "mistake" by purchasing such a low-end CPU. I don't use Chrome though, I use Waterfox. Which is pretty-much single-theaded. So only having two hardware threads available, isn't as big a limitation as you think. (Especially with no resident A/V running, either.)

I think people DO realize that, that's why they're suggesting higher end products. Think about what you're saying.... If it applies to the entire product pipeline, and you bought low end, decided you needed an upgrade 3 months later, by your own analysis, you hardly gained anything over what you previously purchased by going low end again.

You're trying way WAY too hard to rationalize it, to the point where you're actually proving everyone else's point.

 

[VirtualLarry]

I think people DO realize that, that's why they're suggesting higher end products. Think about what you're saying.... If it applies to the entire product pipeline, and you bought low end, decided you needed an upgrade 3 months later, by your own analysis, you hardly gained anything over what you previously purchased by going low end again.

But my point is, if hardware is outpacing software, then if a higher-end CPU lasts 5 years, then why wouldn't a lower-end one also last 5 years?

My Pentium G630, other than the anemic iGPU on the SB Pentiums (that was too slow to begin with, it didn't just "get slower" over time), is still rocking just fine for web browsing. On that particular machine (not my main rig), I do have the free version of Avast installed. Even with A/V, and no SSD (it has a Hybrid 7200RPM desktop drive, due to lack of SATA ports on the mobo), it still web browses with aplomb. (With the help of a GT430 low-profile 128-bit DDR3 card, and a RAM upgrade to 8GB.)

But if software is outpacing hardware, then I can see your point, about buying higher on the product stack.

You're trying way WAY too hard to rationalize it, to the point where you're actually proving everyone else's point.

I just had another thought about this subject. I'm pretty unconvinced, though, for my particular use-case, that spending an additional 100% on a CPU, for 10-12% faster single-threaded, is such a hot idea.

 

[Charlie98]

My Pentium G630, other than the anemic iGPU on the SB Pentiums, is still rocking just fine for web browsing.

You know, it's funny... my G620 that originally powered my HTPC... I thought was a pretty good chip for a lowly Pentium. I liked it so much I built a G3220 chipped build for my inlaws that continues to perform very well as a browser and GP PC.

Based on this, I drop the cash for a G3258 and an OC'able mobo... and was really quite disappointed. Maybe I just had higher hopes because of all the discussion about them. What the hell, I like to tinker... and it really didn't cost that much, but I don't see myself dorking around with low-end chipsets that much again. I'd rather spend the time trying to keep my 2 2500K's viable (which takes a little doing, mind you.)

But whatever floats your boat, Larry... rock on! :thumbsup:

 

[bbhaag]

I think for your use you made the right call. For years people on here dismissed the i3 because the claim was the performance for the price just wasn't there. I find it ironic that you didn't buy an i3 and now your getting shit for it....did Skylake really change the game that much?

Anyway, it's cool that your building a modern rig. I wish I had the cash to. Best of luck and I hope it comes together for ya.:thumbsup:

 

[2is]

But my point is, if hardware is outpacing software, then if a higher-end CPU lasts 5 years, then why wouldn't a lower-end one also last 5 years?

My Pentium G630, other than the anemic iGPU on the SB Pentiums (that was too slow to begin with, it didn't just "get slower" over time), is still rocking just fine for web browsing. On that particular machine (not my main rig), I do have the free version of Avast installed. Even with A/V, and no SSD (it has a Hybrid 7200RPM desktop drive, due to lack of SATA ports on the mobo), it still web browses with aplomb. (With the help of a GT430 low-profile 128-bit DDR3 card, and a RAM upgrade to 8GB.)

But if software is outpacing hardware, then I can see your point, about buying higher on the product stack.


I just had another thought about this subject. I'm pretty unconvinced, though, for my particular use-case, that spending an additional 100% on a CPU, for 10-12% faster single-threaded, is such a hot idea.

umm, ok I'm in shock that this even needs explaining since it seems like common sense but here it goes...

When it's barely powerful enough or not powerful enough to accomplish what you want to accomplish when you initially buy it, what makes you think it's good for 5 years? Again, think about what you're saying.

And just to reinforce this further... If what you're buying was really adequate for your uses for the next 5 years, we'd see posts like this from you every 5 years, not every 3 months.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Here's a puzzler, would you (anyone) prefer to use, for web browsing:

1) A SKL G4400 3.3Ghz dual-core, with 8GB of RAM (assume default speed / timings / voltage for the chipset), and an SSD

or

2) A SB i3-2130 3.4Ghz dual-core w/HT, with 8GB of RAM (also default speed / timings / voltage), and an SSD

?

IOW, does the added grunt of a SB i3's HyperThreading, outweigh the added grunt of 5 generations of IPC improvements to a non-HyperThreading dual-core?

Would it make a difference, if the browser in question was Chrome? Firefox?

Remember, the improvements from HT, back in the days of SB, before Intel made the core "wider", were supposedly minimal.

 

[VirtualLarry]

When it's barely powerful enough or not powerful enough to accomplish what you want to accomplish when you initially buy it, what makes you think it's good for 5 years?

I don't even know where you're getting this from, that somehow a SKL Pentium is "barely powerful or not powerful enough". If an N2830 is powerful enough, then why wouldn't a G4400 be?

I suggested using a G1610 for 10 years, where were all the complaints about me buying under-powered rigs then?
(IIRC, I did suggest picking up an upgraded CPU cheap, used, 5 years in, I think.)

And just to reinforce this further... If what you're buying was really adequate for your uses for the next 5 years, we'd see posts like this from you every 5 years, not every 3 months.

Not really true. I like to play with new tech, and I come up with excuses why I need to upgrade.

I had reverted to using one of my Q9300 rigs (at stock 2.5Ghz) for a month or so. It wasn't... bad... by any means, but the G3258 @ 4.0 is most definitely a bit snappier.

Edit: And it's not like I ever posted anything on here about my desktop Gateway rig with the G630 being in-adequate, except for the HD graphics iGPU issues I've had with Skype.

I've had that rig for like 5 years now it seems, and it's still just as snappy as it has always been.

Edit: At this point, the limitation appears more to be the latency of the HTTP round-trip connection of my internet, than my choice of CPU.

Edit: Oh, forgot to mention, I bought the entire Gateway slimline PC, with case/PSU, G630 CPU, 4GB RAM, and a 500GB HDD (immediately replaced with a 2TB Hybrid drive), DVD, and mouse/keyboard, for $199.99 + tax OTD.

So when you consider the cost of Intel's i3 CPU, and how it probably wouldn't result in any noticable improvement, being that my internet latency is basically fixed for my line, it doesn't make much sense to spend the extra $65.

 

[2is]

You always say "I'm happy with this CPU except for" which means you're not happy with the CPU. I'm not trying to change your mind, i'm just pointing out you buy crap, and you're never happy with it and you replace it with more crap. I know you pretend you're happy with it, but there's always a caveat.

Enjoy your purchase, we'll talk again in the spring.

 

[XavierMace]

Neither?

I surf with NoScript, and Flash Player click-to-play, or disabled, and that really makes most web sites very bearable to surf, with a relatively less powerful CPU. Perhaps that's not what most people are seeing, when they web browse, and that's why they feel that I'm making a "mistake" by purchasing such a low-end CPU. I don't use Chrome though, I use Waterfox. Which is pretty-much single-theaded. So only having two hardware threads available, isn't as big a limitation as you think. (Especially with no resident A/V running, either.)

Being able to adjust your usage habits so your hardware doesn't make you want to hate life doesn't make it good hardware. This came up previously when one of your budget builds for somebody else blew up in your face because they didn't want to run the computer like you would. The general public doesn't want to disable a bunch of functionality just so the computer doesn't run slow and you've already said this build may be for somebody else. The general public also doesn't run Waterfox. Most also don't run without any security software, even if it's just MSE.

Larry, I would hazard a guess I probably have you beat on the computer count, so I'd never give somebody grief for having extra equipment to fiddle around with. I've got a literal mountain of equipment I don't need that the justification for purchasing was basically "because I could". Here's the difference.

I'm getting used hardware for roughly the same dollar figure you're paying for new, but my purchases will run circles around yours. Based off your original post, you've got around $130 invested in this box without case, power supply, storage, or OS. I'm sure you've got those laying around from past purchases, but that doesn't make it free. Lets assume Linux will work on this box. So, I'd say that puts us at around $200 for a dual core with 4Gb of RAM.

I paid $200 for an HP DL380 G6 with dual X5650's and 32Gb of RAM. That will eat your entire stack of low end systems alive. If these are truly just to mess around with, who cares if it's a server? I swapped out the X5650's for a pair of L5640's. That gives me a 12 core, 24 thread system that's only pulling 140w while in use.

When businesses upgrade they effectively just throw out all the old equipment. If you keep and eye on government auction sites (such as GSA), you can literally get a car full of computers the age you generally buy for $200 or less. I'm talking so many computers you may need a trailer to haul them all. That would serve your tinkering needs far better than one new under powered computer.

If an N2830 is powerful enough

It's not.

I had reverted to using one of my Q9300 rigs (at stock 2.5Ghz) for a month or so. It wasn't... bad... by any means, but the G3258 @ 4.0 is most definitely a bit snappier.

See, even now you're being careful how you describe the performance.

Edit: At this point, the limitation appears more to be the latency of the HTTP round-trip connection of my internet, than my choice of CPU.

If you believe that, you're just lying to yourself.

 

[VirtualLarry]

You always say "I'm happy with this CPU except for" which means you're not happy with the CPU. I'm not trying to change your mind, i'm just pointing out you buy crap, and you're never happy with it and you replace it with more crap. I know you pretend you're happy with it, but there's always a caveat.

Enjoy your purchase, we'll talk again in the spring.

LOL. Ok. Thanks for your comments!

 

[VirtualLarry]

Being able to adjust your usage habits so your hardware doesn't make you want to hate life doesn't make it good hardware.

I don't need to spend "extra" on hardware, just to run basic things, because I "de-bloat" my web browsing and my OS environment. How is that not a good thing?

This came up previously when one of your budget builds for somebody else blew up in your face because they didn't want to run the computer like you would. The general public doesn't want to disable a bunch of functionality just so the computer doesn't run slow and you've already said this build may be for somebody else.

The only build I remember ranting about, was when a client of mine bought an E1-2500 AIO machine, at a SUBSTANTIAL discount ($120 for a working AIO in great condition), and then got frustrated with Windows Update taking hours, and brought it back to me past 30 days, because it spent over an hour "reverting" (or attempting to) some updates. That was more of an issue with WU and Win8, than the speed of the PC directly. Granted, that rig is slightly slow, even my my lower standards.

The "someone else" has a C2D PC I built them 5 years ago, that seems to have a failing PSU, or maybe it just wasn't cleaned out all that time, and it's overheating.

I highly doubt that this person, would think that a 3.3Ghz SKL with an SSD is somehow slow. Their old PC has a HDD. (I've offered them an SSD for free.)

I paid $200 for an HP DL380 G6 with dual X5650's and 32Gb of RAM. That will eat your entire stack of low end systems alive. If these are truly just to mess around with, who cares if it's a server? I swapped out the X5650's for a pair of L5640's. That gives me a 12 core, 24 thread system that's only pulling 140w while in use.

When businesses upgrade they effectively just throw out all the old equipment. If you keep and eye on government auction sites (such as GSA), you can literally get a car full of computers the age you generally buy for $200 or less. I'm talking so many computers you may need a trailer to haul them all. That would serve your tinkering needs far better than one new under powered computer.

That sounds nice, in theory, and is probably great for DC, but I try to build rigs for people, to sell or donate. I don't think some old, loud, noisy, hot, server / workstation hardware has much appeal to the general public.

If you believe that, you're just lying to yourself.

I noticed a marked difference, when I switched from my FIOS (24ms latency) to a Comcast (6-8ms latency) connection, for web browsing.

There is a CPU-dependent lag, in comparing my web browsing on my N2830 laptop, on heavy sites, like Newegg.com and Walmart.com . On my G3258 @ 4.0, Newegg is pretty-much instant, Walmart has some lag while it loads everything, but not too bad. On my N2830, Newegg has a slight lag, and Walmart can sometimes cause the browser window to turn white ("not responding") for a second or two, while things load.

But forum browsing, is pretty-much instant, on either machine, and the only improvement that I've seen with that, was moving to a lower-latency internet connection. Then, it was even "more instant".

 

[XavierMace]

That sounds nice, in theory, and is probably great for DC, but I try to build rigs for people, to sell or donate. I don't think some old, loud, noisy, hot, server / workstation hardware has much appeal to the general public.

I would argue neither does most of these underpowered systems. The difference here is I make a profit on my purchases. You've stated more than once you aren't. Like your sig says, don't try to justify this.

Regarding the complaining... It took 3 minutes to find these posts about old/underpowered hardware you weren't happy with. I'm quite confident I could find more if I tried.

These APUs are slower than an E5200 or E3300 (2.5Ghz 45nm C2D)! Hmm, had I known that, I probably wouldn't have paid $40 for them, new

Followup: I guess they weren't lying when they said that they won't work on Intel. I couldn't get them to work on my Q45 board. So I'll try them next in an AM2+ board.

After the NanoPC (with C-70 APU), and the MeegoPad T02 Compute Stick with a heavily-throttling Z3735F CPU, I'm hoping that this Brix unit will have a bit more CPU horsepower.

Alternatively, there is an AMD red Brix unit with a laptop Richland quad-core APU. I built one of those for a relative, and was struck at how poor the single-threaded performance of a 2.2Ghz Piledriver core was.

Maybe you don't consider these statements complaining but I know that's how it seems to a lot of us.

Look, I'm not trying to be mean and I sincerely apologize if I seem that way. But even your posts on Hot Deals are the same way. You posted a C2D system in Hot Deals recently at $50. NOTHING that old is a hot deal.

I get being on a budget or building systems for a good cause. I've done it before. But, I used that DL380 as an example of getting more for your money. Don't want a server? Fine. As I said, you posted a single C2D system at $50 in Hot Deals which implies you think that'a good price.

http://gsaauctions.gov/gsaauctions/aucitsrh/?sl=61QSCI16309013

That's FORTY EIGHT HP dc7800's for $155. That's $3.22 a system. Don't want to deal with that quantity? They've got oodles of systems that age for $10 a pop. The drives have been wiped but generally they still have a valid COA on them. Sometimes they even forget to wipe them. GSA has auctions all over the country and there's other sites like them.

Even if I was to spend $200 on gas and a truck to pick them up, that still works out to under $10 a system. I would only need to sell 8 of them at $50 and I've covered all my costs. Assuming I could actually sell them at $50 (not likely), that leaves me 40 systems. That's $2,000 profit. I can build myself a killer system and still have money to repeat that process all over again.

 

[2is]

"heavy sites like newegg" that's hilarious

 

[VirtualLarry]

But even your posts on Hot Deals are the same way. You posted a C2D system in Hot Deals recently at $50. NOTHING that old is a hot deal.

I get being on a budget or building systems for a good cause. I've done it before. But, I used that DL380 as an example of getting more for your money. Don't want a server? Fine. As I said, you posted a single C2D system at $50 in Hot Deals which implies you think that'a good price.

http://gsaauctions.gov/gsaauctions/aucitsrh/?sl=61QSCI16309013

That's FORTY EIGHT HP dc7800's for $155. That's $3.22 a system. Don't want to deal with that quantity? They've got oodles of systems that age for $10 a pop. The drives have been wiped but generally they still have a valid COA on them. Sometimes they even forget to wipe them. GSA has auctions all over the country and there's other sites like them.

Even if I was to spend $200 on gas and a truck to pick them up, that still works out to under $10 a system. I would only need to sell 8 of them at $50 and I've covered all my costs. Assuming I could actually sell them at $50 (not likely), that leaves me 40 systems. That's $2,000 profit. I can build myself a killer system and still have money to repeat that process all over again.

No offense, but that starts to sound like a gov't auction infomercial.

Sure, maybe if you want to deal with freight, storage, refurbishment, and buying new COAs for those PCs before you sell them (or you run the very real risk, with that number of PCs, that MS will sue you or otherwise make your life miserable, since MS considers the original COA invalid when you refurbish a PC). Oh, did I mention, those COAs will cost you $100 ea, since you're not a "MS Authorized Refurbisher" and don't qualify for "Refurbished COAs" at $30 a pop, because you don't refurbish 1000s of PCs a month.

So now you're stuck trying to sell old PCs for $100 + $3.22 + shipping + profit, when Newegg offers them for $89.99 FS.

GL with your gov't auctions.

Edit: Trying to compare wholesale auctions, where you have to refurbish yourself, and buy a qty lot, and deal with everything associated with that, to a single-unit retail price, is so LOL I don't even know where to begin.

That's about as LOL-worthy as RussianSensations suggestion to save money on a video card - by getting a pickup truck and a plow and plowing driveways this winter to earn extra cash for a video card. Yeah, I'll get right on that, RS... considering it's nearly 60F out here, in Dec.

 

[VirtualLarry]

"heavy sites like newegg" that's hilarious

Without NoScript, it would bring my quad-core to its knees. Two flash video ads, per product page, when you open like 8 tabs of product pages to compare, does that to you.

 

[2is]

That very real risk, is zero. Literally, no chance, at all, of that happening, ever.

OEM COA's are tied to the hardware, you aren't selling the COA on it's own, so it's not illegal

Then there's reality, the one everyone else lives in. MS wouldn't do anything even if that was a shady practice, which it isn't.

Larry, besides indulging in your own version of reality, what is it that you hope to accomplish by posting these types of threads? You never heed any advise, in fact you borderline get offended at it. You make silly excuses for bad buying decisions, then defend those silly excuses. You pretend newegg is a heavy site and your issues are due to "http round trip latency" I mean, what's the point?

 

[XavierMace]

Edit: Trying to compare wholesale auctions, where you have to refurbish yourself, and buy a qty lot, and deal with everything associated with that, to a single-unit retail price, is so LOL I don't even know where to begin.

"Refurbishing" is a term used by people to overcharge for old PC's. Sell them as is and be done with it. We aren't talking about cars or furniture here, it's a computer. "Refurbished" is a joke unless it's manufacturer refurbished which is still mostly a joke.

I'll keep selling my stuff on Craigslist at a profit. You keep selling your stuff however you sell it at a loss.

 

[2is]

Without NoScript, it would bring my quad-core to its knees. Two flash video ads, per product page, when you open like 8 tabs of product pages to compare, does that to you.

First, you didn't say 8 tabs, you said heavy sites like Newegg, meaning a simple visit to that page slows that processor down, so 8 tabs bringing your quad core to it's knees is not relevant because you weren't talking about your quad nor were you talking about 8 tabs. For a brand new processor to lag when loading newegg is ridiculous, for you to build systems like this for the general public and/or friends and family is irresponsible. It's like they're paying for your bad decision making. If it was for your own enjoyment, it still wouldn't make sense to most people but at least it's not affecting anyone else.

Second, my quad core seems to be doing just fine with 8 newegg tabs, by the looks of task manager, it's using 1 core and not even loading it enough for it to ramp up to my 4.2GHz OC.

 

[Arachnotronic]

"Refurbishing" is a term used by people to overcharge for old PC's. Sell them as is and be done with it. We aren't talking about cars or furniture here, it's a computer. "Refurbished" is a joke unless it's manufacturer refurbished which is still mostly a joke.

I'll keep selling my stuff on Craigslist at a profit. You keep selling your stuff however you sell it at a loss.

Sounds like a nice little business you've got there. Props :thumbsup:

 

[jihe]

Mr Larry treats cpus like women, man.

 

[VirtualLarry]

That very real risk, is zero. Literally, no chance, at all, of that happening, ever.

OEM COA's are tied to the hardware, you aren't selling the COA on it's own, so it's not illegal

Then there's reality, the one everyone else lives in. MS wouldn't do anything even if that was a shady practice, which it isn't.

https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/ms...know-about-the-microsoft-refurbisher-program/

Did you know…
If you are selling refurbished PCs to customers with Microsoft software, you must provide your customers the following items or you could be liable for copyright infringement*:
The original recovery media that was shipped with the PC when new.
The original Certificate of Authenticity (COA) associated with the exact PC, as well as a Microsoft Authorized Refurbisher (COA) when original recovery media is not available.*
The original manuals.
Keep in mind:
It is a refurbisher’s responsibility to ensure a PC is properly refurbished and licensed with genuine software before it is sold to a new customer.
Selling a PC with an unlicensed copy of Windows can subject the refurbisher and retailer to liability for copyright infringement.
The original Microsoft (COA) attached to the PC does not allow you to reload Microsoft Windows software when no original recovery media is present.
It is also the responsibility of the retailer also to ensure that it does not sell refurbished PCs that may infringe on Microsoft’s copyrights.

Larry, besides indulging in your own version of reality, what is it that you hope to accomplish by posting these types of threads? You never heed any advise, in fact you borderline get offended at it. You make silly excuses for bad buying decisions, then defend those silly excuses. You pretend newegg is a heavy site and your issues are due to "http round trip latency" I mean, what's the point?

Uhm, if a site, with 8 tabs open, has 16 Flash videos churning away, how is that not a heavy site?

And yes, HTTP round-trip latency is measurable.

 

[XavierMace]

https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/ms...know-about-the-microsoft-refurbisher-program/

Yeah, you're missing one key part:

We currently offer two versions of the Microsoft Refurbisher Program, depending on how many PCs you refurbish a month:

Microsoft Registered Refurbisher Program – This program is for small and medium-sized refurbishers across the globe that wish to supply refurbished PCs preinstalled with Microsoft software to local consumers and businesses, and to qualified charities, non-profits, schools, and government programs.
Microsoft Authorized Refurbisher (MAR) – This program is for large partners who average a minimum volume of 5000 PCs refurbished monthly

A) I'm not refurbishing anything. You seemed to miss my point there.
B) This applies to businesses refurbishing computers and charging people for it. This does not apply to individuals selling used computers.

 

[atticus14]

should have waited till the i3 and BLCK OC'ing was sorted out. There is no way I would suggest what your doing is okay when you are always seeking just a bit more performance. You could have been set for years with a small amount of extra money that you'll throw away on some underperforming pos next week/month. Loving to tinker is fine, but tinkering with an I3 will become one of the most interesting performance bumps that we've seen on the lower end in years. To miss out on that purposely is mind blowing as its basically a high end rig for those "who don't really game" oh well.

 

[VirtualLarry]

For a brand new processor to lag when loading newegg is ridiculous, for you to build systems like this for the general public and/or friends and family is irresponsible. It's like they're paying for your bad decision making. If it was for your own enjoyment, it still wouldn't make sense to most people but at least it's not affecting anyone else.

Show me where I stated anywhere that Newegg lags (other that the videos on the product pages, if I don't use NoScript, on my quad-core, a year ago before I started using NoScript by default), on a "brand new processor"? I said there's NO noticable lag on my G3258 @ 4.0.

If you want to debate, fine, but leave out the straw-man arguments and putting words in my mouth.

Second, my quad core seems to be doing just fine with 8 newegg tabs, by the looks of task manager, it's using 1 core and not even loading it enough for it to ramp up to my 4.2GHz OC.

Is each tab playing two video ads? Or just some Flash ads. Newegg may have toned down their site in the last year. The video ads, when they first started with the ads on the product page, were pretty obnoxious.

Anyways, by my estimation, it's chewing up one of your cores. Is that IE or Edge?