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[JAG87]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
Ya went to the linked thread your talking about. It was started over the Raytracing news . I linked to it yesterday.

Where that thread went here I haven't a clue.

As for the apology this dance isn't over till we see these M/Bs and some others released.

Whats so special about Poncho's post. I know he works for intel in the server department . So what, The fact that he said Quadro sli is allowed did refresh my memory on that. Better than saying SLI wasn't allowed AT ALL! On intel chipsets. I agree that this type of setup isn't for everyone. Never the less I would like to have one . Still we really don't know if skulltrail is FBdimms only as there are conflicting reports.

As for the Intel skulltrail M/B itself I believe its been said only 400 will be made.

It is said to be a black board with a skull silk screen on it. I would pay for that alone. If its really released as a 400 unit only M/B to keep the performance lead.

It could also become a collectors Item with so few made. If the rumor mill is correct.

I just bought a Dark Star gaming PC and paid 50% down on it. $6000 so I really don't care about a few more $$. The guy I bought it from told me he is expecting a 2 socket cpu M/B and 2 cpu's for it . I would also guess the memory will come with it.
I know he won't sell it if only 400 are made. But I will at least get to see it in action .

I would have really liked to have the Betty PC but I can't afford $25,000 for a pc entertainment center. Thats how I meet this fella. I doctor friend of mine bought a Betty PC and I was all giddy about it and were he got it. So he gave me the guys phone number.

I am still hopefull that Skulltrail will be DDR3 M/B . Yes thats what I will get . If its not than BADass 3 is what I will end up with. Not a big deal . I sure would like the e-penis of owning skulltrail tho . I know I would never use that kind of performance but so what its my $$$$.

Whats up with so many people worried about what other people do with their own $$$.

. Now back to the offtopic Sli . What did nv give intel for Nv to get a license for CSI and nehalem chipsets. Intel had to be crazy to make a deal with NV if they didn't get something in return . Really why would Intel even want NV chipsets running on their products. I mean really NV chipsets are buggy as hell.

Lets make a bet. Not $$ you name the stakes. The bet is this. I bet a O/C wolfdale maxed on water. can beat a stock K10 @ its released Clock speed in the majority of bench marks . Other than the server benchies. I mean really I see know reason to bring harptown or yorkfield into this. 2 core wolfdale should do the job nicely . Of course I know some apps . the wolf will lose by a hair .

Name the stakes.

I've just realized your a huge intel fanboy. no wonder you attacked me when I mocked your beloved V8 platform.

bro, do yourself a favor and come back to earth. dual and quad socket platforms are for servers, they will never EVER be an enthusiast platform. you are the kind of enthusiast who likes to write 5 digit checks. but thats not what an enthusiast is. an enthusiast is a person who sees and extracts the potential from hardware, and obtains the best performance/cost ratio.

you are just a fanboy, not an enthusiast.

 

[Nemesis 1]

No not really. I normally keep my pc's awhile . I also normally do self builds. I built my wifes PC . Even tho its top of the line C2D it wasn't all that expensive.

But when I seen the Betty and went to talk to the builder and see the Dark Star I had to have it. I asked about buying the case only. NO dice man . To get this guys equipment you have to buy his pc.

I will post picks when I get it . It is all that! I bought the cheapest model .

I couldn't believe the wife went along with it. But she said that is really nice. She said she would like the Betty but $25,000 is a lot of $$$. But you do get a lot for that $$.

 

[JAG87]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
No not really. I normally keep my pc's awhile .

and thats why your not an enthusiast. an enthusiast will never keep hardware for longer than 3-6 months. even a mule knows hardware depreciates as time goes by worse than cars, and yet you are ready to purchase a Skulltrail rig to keep for a while. Yup, in 2-3 years you will have a box of crap thats worth 1/5 of the 6000 dollars you spent on it. Seems pretty wise.

man, the more you talk the more your keep sinking in my book.

 

[bryanW1995]

you just realized he's an intel fanboy????? He has written nothing but positive comments about intel and negatives about amd. Don't get me wrong, it's very easy to be high on intel and down on amd these days, but most of us still remember what intel used to do to us before A64 came along.

 

[Idontcare]

The thread title here does a severe unjustice to the level of threadcrapping that has occured.

Recommend changing the thread title to "JAG87 takes threadcrapping to all new heights".

Seriously, what happened to folks not threadcrapping? I thought there was a big push to convince people to stop this pointless trashing of threads.

Whether you like Skulltrail or not, what is the point of coming in here just to threadcrap Nemesis 1 about how much YOU don't value ANYTHING that isn't what you would do with $6000?

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: JAG87

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
No not really. I normally keep my pc's awhile .

and thats why your not an enthusiast. an enthusiast will never keep hardware for longer than 3-6 months. even a mule knows hardware depreciates as time goes by worse than cars, and yet you are ready to purchase a Skulltrail rig to keep for a while. Yup, in 2-3 years you will have a box of crap thats worth 1/5 of the 6000 dollars you spent on it. Seems pretty wise.

man, the more you talk the more your keep sinking in my book.

He sounds pretty excited about new hardware. Cares not about the cost. Doesn't care if it depreciates in value over time. Hmmm. Sounds closer to an enthusiast than you are Jag, if you let little things like "cost" bother you. You mind your money, let everyone else mind theirs.
Today, there are very good reasons to be an Intel fan. There are still reasons to be an AMD fan, but less so.

 

[zsdersw]

I'm quite certain that many enthusiasts keep hardware for longer than 3-6 months, as most of them have more than one computer.. and the chances of at least one of those other computers having hardware that's older than 6 months is pretty high.

Secondly, JAG87 doesn't get to determine what an "enthusiast" is or is not.

 

[JAG87]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: JAG87

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
No not really. I normally keep my pc's awhile .

and thats why your not an enthusiast. an enthusiast will never keep hardware for longer than 3-6 months. even a mule knows hardware depreciates as time goes by worse than cars, and yet you are ready to purchase a Skulltrail rig to keep for a while. Yup, in 2-3 years you will have a box of crap thats worth 1/5 of the 6000 dollars you spent on it. Seems pretty wise.

man, the more you talk the more your keep sinking in my book.

He sounds pretty excited about new hardware. Cares not about the cost. Doesn't care if it depreciates in value over time. Hmmm. Sounds closer to an enthusiast than you are Jag, if you let little things like "cost" bother you. You mind your money, let everyone else mind theirs.
Today, there are very good reasons to be an Intel fan. There are still reasons to be an AMD fan, but less so.

He sounds like a moron trying to convince everybody to buy an expensive intel platform that will be nowhere near worth what it costs. If that's what you think an enthusiast is keysplayr... No, its more like "I like to waste my money, lets try and convince everybody else that what I am buying is actually good and they should buy it too". Great, if you want to do that, go ahead. I have no say on how you spend your hard earned cash. But dont come here to fanfare how Skulltrail is gonna be amazing and everyone should be getting one because AMD wont have anything better to offer. You sound like a retarded 12 year old kid who has been looking at too many of intel's multiply your possibilities ads. You sound even more so when you try to compare a 4ghz wolfdale to a barcelona at stock speed. Who are you trying to fool with these kinds of statements?

Make the thread, announce that you are excited about Skulltrail, but dont attack me when I post my reply about how Skulltrail wont be worth it and it wont be successful. I am entitled to my own opinion, and since you made the thread you should be ready to receive both positive and negative replies about the product in question. Not everybody is gonna come into your thread saying :heart: skulltrail you know.

Anyways, I think I'm done in this thread. There isn't anything more to say. Just try to control your erotic fantasies about Skulltrail Nemesis1. You are drunk with information right now, when you wake up in the morning it wont be as pretty as it looked last night.

 

[wwswimming]

(Before anyone brings it up, I do realize that Bad Axe is an actual city name, like most of the other Intel codenames.

could be worse. there's a town named HumpTulips in Western Washington.

 

[Nemesis 1]

First things first . I would like to apogize to everone reading this thread. I was really interested in getting input on the FBdimms Vs. DDR3 and haprtown with a cpu FSB of 400 vs. Yorktown cpu fsb of 333.

On the Fbdimms the thing that bothers me is the heat output. The performance of Fbdimms at fsb 800= 1600 @ clr 4 should be very good for the penryn family . The fact that it is 2 fsb one for each core makes for the same performance as a single harptown . As for over clock ability . It should overclock to were the slowest harptown cpu is stable. As intel made the m/b with the nessary power planes for a dual socket m/b . Fbdimms also has other benefits that I need not cover as we should all know what these are. But the heat output still bothers me. Since I have O/C in mind. It only gets worse.

I wanted to discuss these things. But we seen what happened. It really wasn't jags fault it was mine.

I made a mistake when i posted this.
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Well if this info is reliable I think Skulltrail was a brillant name all things consider if you get my meaning .

1st their was the Badass M/B from intel with the conroe cpu. Which killed AMD.
So the name selection was infact pretty good.

2nd. Now we have skulltrail which continues intels badass approach after killing AMD in the performance arena. Skulltrail is set on that trail the badass m/b started. Leaving the already dead AMD performance X2 . To bleach in the sun of now defleshed bones of the dead X2 performance leader with the penryn cpu. Intels badass took a path to Skulltrail . Skulltrail contiues on that path to what ever Intel decides to call its chipset performance M/B intended to be used with the 2ndH 08 release of Nehalem . Can't wait to here what Intel calls that M/B.

So it would seem that intels choice of performance M/B names are in fact very good and do seem to fit whats going on in the performance PC real world. Does it not?
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I wasn't thinking well when I posted that as it was an invite for jag. This wasn't my intention however. This was right here was when I posted this.

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Your correct but I like to have fun . This was fun. Good clean fun without offending anyone.

The thing thats important is the info if its correct. From the looks of it this is going to be really a power house . I don't like the FBdimms but without it . You couldn't make use of sli on an intel M/B . But 4x pci-e slots. Oh my!

O/C able memory and cpu. OH My! removable heatsinks for water cooling. A +.

Extreme power consumpsion. OH NO!
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Right after that is when jag entered the thread to save the world from skulltrail.
From their the thread just disinterergrated.

To bad because I really wanted your guys imput on the + and - of FB dimms
along with the imput on the + and - of Yorktown Vs Harptown .

I think the thing that got me off track was the sli thing . Its still vary much an unknown thing. As many are saying Intel well get sli. Than to have someone come in and talk with authority as if their all knowing rattled my cage and sidetracked me. Again I apoligize for that.

I believe in my mind that Intel allowed for O/C on Skulltrail and did what was needed to insure that it would . I don't know if it does or not. But that part of what I wanted to discuss. We have been told that previsions were made for O/C so I have no reason to doubt that it would.

I wasn't recommending to the world buy this expensive over the top M/B with its over the top hardware. SLI is of interest to me as is XF . Q-sli or XF isn't but having 2 left over pci-e 16x slots is or 8x whatever the case may be . The system I am buying comes with 7 hard drives . 6 raptors and 1 samsung running in raid 6 which requires a 8x PCI-E slot for the card.

. This system should hold me over until Nehalem C . At that time I will simple take it back to the builder and have him up grade it . As the water cooling system is very complacated and will require a new midplate with the holes for the tubing in other places. But this is offtopic.
I just wanted to discuss the +and minus of the things I all ready stated but we never got to that level. To bad it could have been a good discussion.

Yes Jag I am sorry I may have offended you in any way . It wasn't my intention.

 

[JAG87]

Look, you seem like a nice guy, but you are very confused. I can tell from what you are writing. You lack basic information that you need in order to be able to have a discussion like this. But you seem to have come back to your reason, so I am going to give this another try. Its up to you whether you want to sit quietly and absorb as much information as possible, or if you want to let your fanboy sentiments kick in again. So here I go.

Skulltrail is Intel's response to AMD's 4x4. Intel knows very well that AMD will be able to drop 2 Agena FX chips into 4x4. Intel is afraid that people will like the idea of an 8 core Agena FX 4x4 system, so they will release Skulltrail. But unlike AMD's 4x4 platform, Skulltrail is nothing but a relabeled and remarketed platform. Skulltrail is a server platform, with dual sockets, dual NBs, dual FSBs, and FBDIMM registered memory. It has cpu overclocking and memory overclocking features that are alien to server platforms, but that will not necesserely make it a more flexible platform. It will still be very hard to overclock and squeeze anything out of a dual processor platform, simply because all the variables are now doubled, and overclocking becomes a real challenge now. It uses Intel NB and SB chipsets and it will not support GeForce SLI, which is the primary gaming platform. AMD's 4x4 on the other hand runs on the nforce 680a chipset, and does indeed support SLI. AMD's 4x4 also uses standard DDR2 as opposed to FBDIMM.

Now, after this paragraph you might think that I am a fan of 4x4... and you couldn't be more wrong. I think that this is all AMD's fault, and that multi processor platforms should have never entered the home/enthusiast market. When 4x4 was released I was outraged by the way AMD chose to fight back Intel's quad core offering. I couldn't believe that the same company who claimed that Intel's quad core design was not a native quad core design would go out and market a dual socket system for the client users. Its a huge contradiction. Now, once Barcelona and Agena hit AMD is able to remarket their platform as 8x8. Intel is afraid that AMD might regain the enthusiast market since they offer an 8 core platform running barcelona that supports SLI and runs standard unregistered DDR2 memory. Intel believes that Skulltrail running dual Yorkfield processors is the answer to AMD's 8x8, and its not. Skulltrail is just another name for a Xeon MP platform.

Both AMD and Intel need to worry about their desktop market, and they need to race for the most efficient and performing single processor multi-core architecture. Instead, because of AMD's mistake, they have now entered an area of the desktop market which they shouldn't have touched. 4x4 and Skulltrail will be produced in very limited numbers, and I whole-heartly hope that both of them realize that there is no market for such platforms, and abandon their projects.

I hope that everything I wrote is clear. I put a lot of care into making sure that my wording and phrasing is understandable. I am open to rational discussion on the topic, as long as you take your time and write proper sentences. I had to read your last posts a few times to understand what you were trying to say (note that this is not an insult, but just an invitation to take your time when you write). Take care Nemesis1.

-JAG

 

[Nemesis 1]

First tjings first. I want to discuss the merits of the Fbdimms Vs. DDR3 and Harptown The server processor Vs. Yorktown the desktop processor . I believe you got that backwards.

To me this is an insult.

1) your talking to me as if your somesort of Elitist guru or something. and I am a noob . very insultung.
2) You linked to a XS thread yesterday . That pointed to a Poncho post who takes the same stance as you infact it sounds like your coping him . Go back read the whole thread once again . Read what Movie man has to say . Someone who has the type of system your talking about. Why ignore his post?
3) You don't think I don't know this is over the top?

4) What if raytracing in gaming becomes a reality way sooner than people are saying. Than I have future proofed. To a degree.

5) Wouldn't Fb dimms add to over all system stability and make my saved data more secure from corruption. Plus the other advantages it offers. I know the disadvantages . But do the advantages out weigh the disadvantages.

6) isn't larabee coming out in 08 something I am very interested in as it could prolong my upgrade path.

7) Sli on intel chipsets at this time is still an unknown many people higher up on the food chain say your incorrect so who do I believe a elisist guru such as yourself or people who actually seem to be woking in the industry and say otherwise.

8) You keep saying that Shulltrail is a rebadged server M/B . Its not its a completely reworked chipset intended for performance usage.

9) Don't you think maybe just maybe the new snoop filter on skulltrail might add to the performance advantage on the desktop.

10.) I understand I will never use the power this thing has to offer. In games but I do a bit more than just games but still being able to game @ 3.8 or hirer is not bad . than when more games come online that use more threads I am still in good shape as far as back ground work with 8 cores at my disposal. We have 4 pc's here right now . Networking is in my plans. I have one machine that never goes online because of all the file shared music I downloaded from the net. You think I am going to not use that music or videos. But I don't want to go to jail over it either I want access to those files when I am doing other things. My music library is 30,ooo strong. So I will make fairly good use of 8 cores .

 

[Thund3rb1rd]

Originally posted by: wwswimming

could be worse. there's a town named HumpTulips in Western Washington.

ROFLMAO
could be the beginning of a totally new category in which to consider when buying a CPU....kinda like how stickers make some cars faster

 

[JAG87]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
First tjings first. I want to discuss the merits of the Fbdimms Vs. DDR3 and Harptown The server processor Vs. Yorktown the desktop processor . I believe you got that backwards.

To me this is an insult.

1) your talking to me as if your somesort of Elitist guru or something. and I am a noob . very insultung.
2) You linked to a XS thread yesterday . That pointed to a Poncho post who takes the same stance as you infact it sounds like your coping him . Go back read the whole thread once again . Read what Movie man has to say . Someone who has the type of system your talking about. Why ignore his post?
3) You don't think I don't know this is over the top?

4) What if raytracing in gaming becomes a reality way sooner than people are saying. Than I have future proofed. To a degree.

5) Wouldn't Fb dimms add to over all system stability and make my saved data more secure from corruption. Plus the other advantages it offers. I know the disadvantages . But do the advantages out weigh the disadvantages.

6) isn't larabee coming out in 08 something I am very interested in as it could prolong my upgrade path.

7) Sli on intel chipsets at this time is still an unknown many people higher up on the food chain say your incorrect so who do I believe a elisist guru such as yourself or people who actually seem to be woking in the industry and say otherwise.

8) You keep saying that Shulltrail is a rebadged server M/B . Its not its a completely reworked chipset intended for performance usage.

9) Don't you think maybe just maybe the new snoop filter on skulltrail might add to the performance advantage on the desktop.

10.) I understand I will never use the power this thing has to offer. In games but I do a bit more than just games but still being able to game @ 3.8 or hirer is not bad . than when more games come online that use more threads I am still in good shape as far as back ground work with 8 cores at my disposal. We have 4 pc's here right now . Networking is in my plans. I have one machine that never goes online because of all the file shared music I downloaded from the net. You think I am going to not use that music or videos. But I don't want to go to jail over it either I want access to those files when I am doing other things. My music library is 30,ooo strong. So I will make fairly good use of 8 cores .

Ok lets go in order. I dont understand what you mean by the "merits", I am going to assume you mean performance. DDR3 is much better performing than FBDIMM, and DDR3 will cost much less by Q1 2008. Case closed.
Harpertown is the server equivalent of Yorkfield (not Yorktown by the way). They are architecturally the same and perform the same. What is it exactly that I got backwards?

1) I am an elitist guru. There are people that are more knowledgeable than me, yes, but here in the AT forums I can count these people with one hand. You are not a noob by any means, but you are not one of these people either.

2)MovieMan at XS is one of those people that crunches and encodes video 24/7. For him the more cores, the better. In case you haven't noticed he is a proud owner of a Xeon DP system. Please read post #23 in that thread. I quote Blauhung: "But for Movieman and all the MP workstation nut's, this is a wet dream."

3)What is over the top? I dont undestand, we are having a conversation.

4)By the time raytracing becomes a common practice in graphics, we will have multi-core processors that will put a dual Yorkfield/Harpertown system to shame.

5)Yes it would add stability and make your data more secure. Its ECC registered memory. What other advantages are you talking about? The advantages outweight the disadvantages? Hardly.

6)Do you know anything about larabee? Larabee is not a high end graphics adapter, its a main stream integrated graphics adapter that Intel plans to replace their integrated GMA with. Performance is aimed to be on the same level as a main stream part from ATI or NVIDIA, but at a much lower cost. It Intel's answer to AMD's Fusion project.

7)GeForce SLI will never happen on intel chipsets. Its something that NVIDIA will never sell or license. The moment NVIDIA does something like that, their chipset business will terminate. Its not a wise move.

8)Wrong. Its a server chipset. If it was reworked, intel would have steered clear away from FBDIMMs. Its just a server chipset with some accessible overclocking features, which wont be useful anyways when you got 2 CPUs pumping 120W each.

9)Theoretically the snoop filter would help, but practically it makes no difference. Having an 2 front side busses also wont help that much. If we were to compare a 3 GHz Kentsfield versus a 3GHz 2P Woodcrest platform, you would see that there is no difference in performance.

10)Thats good. I too, like my machine to be able to do more than just gaming. But you think you will be able to clock a dual quadcore processors system to 3.8GHz? Lmao. People have trouble getting one quadcore to 3.8, you want two of them? And yes, Yorkfield will overclock better than kentsfield, yes we may be able to run a Yorkfield at 4 Ghz stable with the proper cooling, but a dual processor platform is a totally different beast.


How much are you paying me for all this information? I make around $20/hr, will this be cash or check?

 

[Thund3rb1rd]

Originally posted by: JAG87
How much are you paying me for all this information? I make around $20/hr, will this be cash or check?

EH!!!1
Get back to work :laugh:

 

[Nemesis 1]

http://www.theinq.com/default.aspx?article=37548 I don't know were you got your larrabee info but here is an article I believe way befor what you wrote. Trust me I take this article with much needed salt pill.

On the FBdimms I think theirs a bit more to it than what your saying.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FB-DIMM


Heres more on Larrabee

http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/n...larabee-touted-itanium

But I bet an elite such as yourself was holding all this back for my reeducation .

Thanks for your input your highness. For the record Larrabee was planned way before amd talked about fusion . Larrabee is why AMD bought ATI.

 

[joejccva]

Won't you two just kiss and make up already?

 

[JAG87]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
But I bet an elite such as yourself was holding all this back for my reeducation .

Thanks for your input your highness. For the record Larrabee was planned way before amd talked about fusion . Larrabee is why AMD bought ATI.

You are still behaving like a retard who "dont take no shit from no one". You are like one of those morons that go to the doctor for a checkup thinking they know more than then him. And when they come out with a prescription, the feel free to modify it as they like.

If you dont want to learn dont post in forums. There will always be someone with more knowledge then you, and you simply cant seem to accept that. I could have a Yorkfield ES chip shipped to me tomorrow if I wanted, while you can wait for your Skulltrail system. Keep reading the Inquirer my friend, thats where you belong.

Originally posted by: Thund3rb1rd

Originally posted by: JAG87
How much are you paying me for all this information? I make around $20/hr, will this be cash or check?

EH!!!1
Get back to work :laugh:

You're so right. I wasted enough time with this fanboy.

 

[Toadster]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=F7LNUkHa7U8

 

[Nemesis 1]

I bet thats fuggers rig . He is doing a O/C run at IDF on the 18th in the morning. Very impressive score.

http://arstechnica.com/news.ar...ry-controller-smt.html

http://techreport.com/articles.x/8721/3

 

[Nemesis 1]

Than there is this.

http://www.beyond3d.com/content/articles/31

 

[vanvock]

Why do folks have so much trouble with the use of thEn & thAn?

 

[ViRGE]

Originally posted by: vanvock
Why do folks have so much trouble with the use of thEn & thAn?

They learn oral language before written language. In oral language the two are practically indistinguishable, so they never learn the rules on usage before it's too late.

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: QuiksilverX1
Did someone piss your cornflakes this morning? (Both of you.)

You each have your own opinion and no one is trying to shove it down your throats so just stop bitching about who is right and who is wrong.

ROFL....


Your KungFu isnt as strong as JAG's.

 

[Nemesis 1]

I was just reading a fugger thread at Xs. and there is trouble in paradise it seems. Fugger is going to freeze the Penryn at the IDF this week so that 8 second clip isn't his I guess.

He is trying for an O/C of 30% @ 1.2 volts and has lost 2 cpu's so far. I have seen penryn on water stable @ 4.4ghz 1.39v already so I haven't a clue whats going on with fugger and why he is freezing the chips at such low V. and only a 30% O/C .

Strange goings on . I am sure intel is going to be real happy about him reporting 2 cpu. failures . So now he doesn't have enough cpus. Its seems xtremely low V and Xtremely low over clock although 30% should be around 4.2 ghz. with a 3.1ghz cpu . But he hasn't said what stock Ghz is. Maybe a 3.3 I haven't clue 2 days to wait and see. Interesting stuff. From 1 of the worlds best O/C . Hay maybe Penryn is a flop. But i have seen 4.4ghz so I just don't know whats up.