Skulltrail more info.

[Nemesis 1]

Well its interesting and despairing at the same time.
Is Skulltrail going to be a Harptown or a Yorkfield compatable M/B ?
Will it use DDR2 FBdimms or DDR3 dimms ? Or are there 2 flavors of this board?

It looks to be a computing monster but hay . Who wants DDR2 FB dimms not I.

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=41868

 

[AmberClad]

Ok, someone really needs to talk to Intel about these codenames :roll:. "Bad Axe" was bad enough (were they trying to invoke a certain six-letter obscenity with that one?). Now this? Doesn't quite fit the staid, mega-corp image that I associate with Intel. Trying too hard, in other words. Let the platform speak for itself.

(Before anyone brings it up, I do realize that Bad Axe is an actual city name, like most of the other Intel codenames. I doubt that it's a coincidence that the rest of the codenames are fairly innocuous-sounding ones though.)

 

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: AmberClad
Ok, someone really needs to talk to Intel about these codenames :roll:. "Bad Axe" was bad enough (were they trying to invoke a certain six-letter obscenity with that one?). Now this? Doesn't quite fit the staid, mega-corp image that I associate with Intel. Trying too hard, in other words. Let the platform speak for itself.

(Before anyone brings it up, I do realize that Bad Axe is an actual city name, like most of the other Intel codenames. I doubt that it's a coincidence that the rest of the codenames are fairly innocuous-sounding ones though.)

Well if this info is reliable I think Skulltrail was a brillant name all things consider if you get my meaning .

1st their was the Badass M/B from intel with the conroe cpu. Which killed AMD.
So the name selection was infact pretty good.

2nd. Now we have skulltrail which continues intels badass approach after killing AMD in the performance arena. Skulltrail is set on that trail the badass m/b started. Leaving the already dead AMD performance X2 . To bleach in the sun of now defleshed bones of the dead X2 performance leader with the penryn cpu. Intels badass took a path to Skulltrail . Skulltrail contiues on that path to what ever Intel decides to call its chipset performance M/B intended to be used with the 2ndH 08 release of Nehalem . Can't wait to here what Intel calls that M/B.

So it would seem that intels choice of performance M/B names are in fact very good and do seem to fit whats going on in the performance PC real world. Does it not?

 

[AmberClad]

Ok, I suppose I will concede you the point that so far, they've backed up the silly names with some pretty nice real world performance . But if "SkullTrail" flops, expect some pointing and laughing from the AMD folks :laugh:, along with plenty of not-so-nice "Skullf**k" jokes.

You did nicely capture the image that immediately popped into my head when I saw the new codename, btw. Blazing a trail of AMD corpses and whatnot, so I suppose the Intel PR hacks did their job with that codename.

 

[Nemesis 1]

If K10 clobbers a Dual fsb 2socket Intel penryn running @ 4+ ghz in the performance arena . I will never post in the forums again. Gives you something to look forward to! Does it not?

Dang it I was trying to think of a word to fit better than Path or trail . You gave it o me a little late trail blazer. Darn! Darn! Darn!

 

[nyker96]

Originally posted by: AmberClad
Ok, someone really needs to talk to Intel about these codenames :roll:. "Bad Axe" was bad enough (were they trying to invoke a certain six-letter obscenity with that one?). Now this? Doesn't quite fit the staid, mega-corp image that I associate with Intel. Trying too hard, in other words. Let the platform speak for itself.

(Before anyone brings it up, I do realize that Bad Axe is an actual city name, like most of the other Intel codenames. I doubt that it's a coincidence that the rest of the codenames are fairly innocuous-sounding ones though.)

It may be that the Pirates movies had some influence on those engineers from Intel? I wouldn't be surprised if we soon be graced with the Sparrow chipset with DDR4 and a tiny skull headed heatsink on the northbridge. :] I'd personally snatch that one up quick!

 

[zsdersw]

I'd say.. "who cares?" with regards to what the code names are. It's not that important.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: zsdersw
I'd say.. "who cares?" with regards to what the code names are. It's not that important.

Your correct but I like to have fun . This was fun. Good clean fun without offending anyone.

The thing thats important is the info if its correct. From the looks of it this is going to be really a power house . I don't like the FBdimms but without it . You couldn't make use of sli on an intel M/B . But 4x pci-e slots. Oh my!

O/C able memory and cpu. OH My! removable heatsinks for water cooling. A +.

Extreme power consumpsion. OH NO!

 

[JAG87]

Its too close to a server platform. dual socket means less cpu overclocking, and FBDIMM = expensive trash. plus I really doubt nvidia will be making a chipset for that, so no SLI.

frankly, if I needed skulltrail I could buy it today. just grab a supermicro or tyan board with dual sockets and a couple of Clovertown Xeons. 8 gigs of FBDIMM, and im ready to go. but do I need that? NO. Do i want it? NO. If I had a business that depended on multi threading and large memory amounts (such as graphic design) then of course. But I dont, I power my PC to surf the web, chat, watch audio/video, and games.

I want the best of everything, and skulltrail is definetely not it. Heck, AMD's quad father is a better solution, at least it uses the 680a chipset and supports SLI. but nvidia is too strict with their chipsets and their platforms. Yes you can make the argument that you can run crossfire with skulltrail, sure thing, but your gonna spend all that money and still not have the best? Heck no. When they put 8 cores on 1 cpu and nvidia makes an SLI chipset for it, I will buy. Or the faggots in Santa Clara could be less strict about their SLI license...

/end rant (sorry)

 

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: JAG87
Its too close to a server platform. dual socket means less cpu overclocking, and FBDIMM = expensive trash. plus I really doubt nvidia will be making a chipset for that, so no SLI.

frankly, if I needed skulltrail I could buy it today. just grab a supermicro or tyan board with dual sockets and a couple of Clovertown Xeons. 8 gigs of FBDIMM, and im ready to go. but do I need that? NO. Do i want it? NO. If I had a business that depended on multi threading and large memory amounts (such as graphic design) then of course. But I dont, I power my PC to surf the web, chat, watch audio/video, and games.

I want the best of everything, and skulltrail is definetely not it. Heck, AMD's quad father is a better solution, at least it uses the 680a chipset and supports SLI. but nvidia is too strict with their chipsets and their platforms. Yes you can make the argument that you can run crossfire with skulltrail, sure thing, but your gonna spend all that money and still not have the best? Heck no. When they put 8 cores on 1 cpu and nvidia makes an SLI chipset for it, I will buy. Or the faggots in Santa Clara could be less strict about their SLI license...

/end rant (sorry)

Would you be so kind as to link to your info.

As I understand it. If a If intel chipset and cpu are for server or workstation you can infact use sli with an intel chipset. Beings how it is using Harptown and not Yorkfield cpu and FBdimms and not DDR2 or 3 this qualifies as a sli compatable setup. With the deal intel and nv made last year.

Also did you read the article? This is a high performance workstation /sever M/B using special high performance low latiency FBdimms . FBdimms800fsb running @ 1:1 =1600fsb with clr4 timings. The chipset is optimized for memory enhancements using Intel certified memory from selected memory makers. The Memory can be O/C with the skulltrail M/B and so can the cpu. It has dual fsb.
So until AMD shows something that can beat conroe. I would sugjest you tone it down a bit. This system has already been shown running @ 4ghz. We are talking about Skulltrail here. This is no ordinary server M/B . It will be interesting to see what Asus comes out with using this chipset.
No way will amd have anything out befor Nehalem that can challenge this setup @ 4GHz.

 

[JAG87]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1

Originally posted by: JAG87
Its too close to a server platform. dual socket means less cpu overclocking, and FBDIMM = expensive trash. plus I really doubt nvidia will be making a chipset for that, so no SLI.

frankly, if I needed skulltrail I could buy it today. just grab a supermicro or tyan board with dual sockets and a couple of Clovertown Xeons. 8 gigs of FBDIMM, and im ready to go. but do I need that? NO. Do i want it? NO. If I had a business that depended on multi threading and large memory amounts (such as graphic design) then of course. But I dont, I power my PC to surf the web, chat, watch audio/video, and games.

I want the best of everything, and skulltrail is definetely not it. Heck, AMD's quad father is a better solution, at least it uses the 680a chipset and supports SLI. but nvidia is too strict with their chipsets and their platforms. Yes you can make the argument that you can run crossfire with skulltrail, sure thing, but your gonna spend all that money and still not have the best? Heck no. When they put 8 cores on 1 cpu and nvidia makes an SLI chipset for it, I will buy. Or the faggots in Santa Clara could be less strict about their SLI license...

/end rant (sorry)

Would you be so kind as to link to your info.

As I understand it. If a If intel chipset and cpu are for server or workstation you can infact use sli with an intel chipset. Beings how it is using Harptown and not Yorkfield cpu and FBdimms and not DDR2 or 3 this qualifies as a sli compatable setup. With the deal intel and nv made last year.

Also did you read the article? This is a high performance workstation /sever M/B using special high performance low latiency FBdimms . FBdimms800fsb running @ 1:1 =1600fsb with clr4 timings. The chipset is optimized for memory enhancements using Intel certified memory from selected memory makers. The Memory can be O/C with the skulltrail M/B and so can the cpu. It has dual fsb.
So until AMD shows something that can beat conroe. I would sugjest you tone it down a bit. This system has already been shown running @ 4ghz. We are talking about Skulltrail here. This is no ordinary server M/B . It will be interesting to see what Asus comes out with using this chipset.
No way will amd have anything out befor Nehalem that can challenge this setup @ 4GHz.

perhaps you did not understand what I said.

what is there in skull trail, that we cannot do already? pretty much nothing. you think that faster overclockable memory is going to bring tangible speed increases?

we can already build dual processor systems, and yes, even though they cannot be overclocked, believe me, skulltrail will not overclock well either. you have no idea what it means to run 8 CORES at high speed. First of all, you will generate so much heat that simple aircooling inside a desktop tower will not suffice. if you think watercooling is a better idea, well prepare to buy 2 cpu blocks and 2 rads. second of all, lets not forget that ALL 8 CORES need to be stable at the given speed. Being in 2 different CPUs, the cores would have very significant temperature differences, and very different voltage requirements to work at a certain speed. Yes, the chips are sold in pairs, but that doesn't guarantee they are identical. And if you decide to touch the FSB (despite the unlocked multiplier) you now have 2 sets of NB, SB and FSB voltages that need to stable.

All I have to say is good luck. Multi processor systems are not meant for the enthusiast, they are meant for the servers that run 24/7 at stock speeds with no problems. Whether intel makes the RAM overclockable, or unlocks the multiplier on the CPUs will make very little difference. You guys just dont see the troubles that will come with such a system. You just look at the potential.

 

[Nemesis 1]

I agree that this system isn't for everyone and it will be expensive , BUT FB dimms are cheaper than DDR3 dimms.

You aren't a reverse snub are you ? That being someone who degrades someone for buying something that they themselves either don't want or cann't afford.

Than you argue about O/C ability of Intels system and at the same time announce that AMDs 4X4 will be better. Could you explain that?

If we go by who has delivered on their promises over that last year or so . I would argue that intels skulltrail with its chip design will be able to O/c much better han Amds native design on 4x4 . I believe most would agree with what I am saying.

Even tho its an unknown in both cases.

I understand that you were just trolling and its Ok. But I am not a 13 year old.

So your intitled(entitled) to your opion as I am mine . But the ball is on my side of the field. Untill AMD shows something its all just hot air on your side of the field.


What makes you an authority on dual socket 4 core setups.? How many do you have . Skulltrail if its what its said to be isn't like anything every seen befor.

dual fsb . dual socket . FBddr2 800 @ 1600 unlocked cpu . new penryn die shrink run with new high k metal gates. Snoop filter. When have you ever run such a system to be talking down like your in the know. I have seen a yorkfield running at 4.4 GHZ stable . So if you don't mind I won't take your word for it.

Edits are usually spelling fixes or missed keys - Fixed (in/en)

 

[theprodigalrebel]

You are starting to get a little hostile. JAG87 said nothing that warranted this attitude. Lighten up and be nice.

 

[JAG87]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
I agree that this system isn't for everyone and it will be expensive , BUT FB dimms are cheaper than DDR3 dimms.

You aren't a reverse snub are you ? That being someone who degrades someone for buying something that they themselves either don't want or cann't afford.

Than you argue about O/C ability of Intels system and at the same time announce that AMDs 4X4 will be better. Could you explain that?

If we go by who has delivered on their promises over that last year or so . I would argue that intels skulltrail with its chip design will be able to O/c much better han Amds native design on 4x4 . I believe most would agree with what I am saying.

Even tho its an unknown in both cases.

I understand that you were just trolling and its Ok. But I am not a 13 year old.

So your intitled to your opion as I am mine . But the ball is on my side of the field. Untill AMD shows something its all just hot air on your side of the field.


What makes you an authority on dual socket 4 core setups.? How many do you have . Skulltrail if its what its said to be isn't like anything every seen befor.

dual fsb . dual socket . FBddr2 800 @ 1600 unlocked cpu . new penryn die shrink run with new high k metal gates. Snoop filter. When have you ever run such a system to be talking down like your in the know. I have seen a yorkfield running at 4.4 GHZ stable . So if you don't mind I won't take your word for it.

you haven't listened to one word I said. you're the one whos trolling, not me. I clearly stated that my post was a rant. A rant about intel and nvidia being very unfriendly to each other when it comes to chipsets, so that they can keep their chipset business alive. nvidia doesn't make server chipsets, and intel doesn't make SLI chipsets. Thats why skulltrail will never be ultimately the best platform. it will only serve purpose to those people that require lots of cores and lots of memory. that was the point of my post.



and this is what you gathered from it:

- I called you a 13 year old kid
ok if you say so... i never said those words but I think most people know your age by the way you just behaved.

- Im a reverse snub
uhuh, I can buy anything I want, even your house if I wanted to. but I am smart enough to realize what I need and what is superfluous (have they taught you this word yet?)

- AMD 4x4 will be better
actually it is already out on the market, and it supports SLI ont he 680a chipset. and when you drop in two Agena FX chips in there, you never know what might happen. So I dont see how you can make an argument that a "future" dual yorkfield machine is better than a dual K8 machine. gee I had to go to university to figure out that an architecture from 2005 wouldnt stand a chance against one from 2008.

- FBDIMMS are cheaper than DDR3
ROFL @ U. this will change very quickly and DDR3 smokes FBDIMM performance wise.



I have nothing else to say. I just hope you get permabanned for you're agressive behavior, you noob tart.

 

[Quiksilver]

Did someone piss your cornflakes this morning? (Both of you.)

You each have your own opinion and no one is trying to shove it down your throats so just stop bitching about who is right and who is wrong.

 

[JAG87]

Originally posted by: QuiksilverX1
Did someone piss your cornflakes this morning? (Both of you.)

You each have your own opinion and no one is trying to shove it down your throats so just stop bitching about who is right and who is wrong.

it was all good until he quoted my first post in this thread. up to that point we had just expressed our opinions, then the personal attacks started.

I cant tolerate that, I'm sorry. Regardless if he is an intel fanboy or a skulltrail fanboy. He is trying to defend something that doesn't even exist yet, by denigrating me for no reason.

 

[joejccva]

Thats a pretty impressive rig ya got in your sig there Jag. I'm afraid to ask how much all of that was.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Ya you guys are right. i did get a little squirely there.

Please if someone knows for fact that Sli isn't allowed on intel server ?workstation M/b please give link.

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=40123

 

[Quiksilver]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
Ya you guys are right. i did get a little squirely there.

Please if someone knows for fact that Sli isn't allowed on intel server ?workstation M/b please give link.

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=40123

Keyword in that article you just linked is desktop not server or workstation.

Also if you bother to look at all the server motherboards offered on newegg or any other reseller site and just searched through them using a keyword of SLI the only motherboards that show results are all only supported by AMD

http://www.newegg.com/Product/...n=&Ntk=&srchInDesc=SLI

Sure, it might be possibly that in the future SLI might show up on intel's workstation or server motherboards but as of present day they don't.

 

[JAG87]

Originally posted by: joejccva
Thats a pretty impressive rig ya got in your sig there Jag. I'm afraid to ask how much all of that was.

Lots, more than I would have liked to. And there is stuff I leave out because it does not fit into the signature, such as all my water cooling equipment, my G15 and my G5, my senns HD280s and so on.

Originally posted by: QuiksilverX1
Keyword in that article you just linked is desktop not server or workstation.

Also if you bother to look at all the server motherboards offered on newegg or any other reseller site and just searched through them using a keyword of SLI the only motherboards that show results are all only supported by AMD

http://www.newegg.com/Product/...n=&Ntk=&srchInDesc=SLI

Sure, it might be possibly that in the future SLI might show up on intel's workstation or server motherboards but as of present day they don't.

Your way off. Keep reading for the solution.

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
Ya you guys are right. i did get a little squirely there.

Please if someone knows for fact that Sli isn't allowed on intel server ?workstation M/b please give link.

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=40123

There is a difference between Quadro SLI and GeForce SLI my friend. and thats what nvidia is not giving away. nvidia has no business in the server chipset market, therefore Quadro SLI works just fine on Intel based server boards, infact Quadro SLI works even on Intel desktop boards, but GeForce SLI only works on nforce desktop chipsets, no where else. In case you are wondering, its not a hardware limitation, its all in the drivers.

If I keep expanding your knowledge like this, I expect at least an apology.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Well I wasn't aware that any Intel chipset server M/B had 2 pci-e 16x slots. Maybe there are sime don't know . Really I don't care since sli doest work with Q- sli anyway. OHell does Sli even work on vista. Its said that ATI can do q Xf again I don't know.

Why would Intel give NV server chipset business and get nothing in return.

If I was NV I would play nice with intel . With the recent info we got on Intels penryn ray tracing abilities. Can you imagin Nehalem on a dual socket M/B and its abilites to do ray tracing that would be 2 dual die 8 core cpu's x2= 16 cores . Plus larabee.

When Nehalem comes out I will short NV stock if not sooner.

 

[JAG87]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
Well I wasn't aware that any Intel chipset server M/B had 2 pci-e 16x slots. Maybe there are sime don't know . Really I don't care since sli doest work with Q- sli anyway. OHell does Sli even work on vista. Its said that ATI can do q Xf again I don't know.

Why would Intel give NV server chipset business and get nothing in return.

If I was NV I would play nice with intel . With the recent info we got on Intels penryn ray tracing abilities. Can you imagin Nehalem on a dual socket M/B and its abilites to do ray tracing that would be 2 dual die 8 core cpu's x2= 16 cores . Plus larabee.

When Nehalem comes out I will short NV stock if not sooner.

boy oh boy, I got 3 words for you.

you-are-confused

please do yourself a favor and read this thread over at XS. please pay particular attention to post #27. you might learn something.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/f...howthread.php?t=156328

 

[Nemesis 1]

Ya went to the linked thread your talking about. It was started over the Raytracing news . I linked to it yesterday.

Where that thread went here I haven't a clue.

As for the apology this dance isn't over till we see these M/Bs and some others released.

Whats so special about Poncho's post. I know he works for intel in the server department . So what, The fact that he said Quadro sli is allowed did refresh my memory on that. Better than saying SLI wasn't allowed AT ALL! On intel chipsets. I agree that this type of setup isn't for everyone. Never the less I would like to have one . Still we really don't know if skulltrail is FBdimms only as there are conflicting reports.

As for the Intel skulltrail M/B itself I believe its been said only 400 will be made.

It is said to be a black board with a skull silk screen on it. I would pay for that alone. If its really released as a 400 unit only M/B to keep the performance lead.

It could also become a collectors Item with so few made. If the rumor mill is correct.

I just bought a Dark Star gaming PC and paid 50% down on it. $6000 so I really don't care about a few more $$. The guy I bought it from told me he is expecting a 2 socket cpu M/B and 2 cpu's for it . I would also guess the memory will come with it.
I know he won't sell it if only 400 are made. But I will at least get to see it in action .

I would have really liked to have the Betty PC but I can't afford $25,000 for a pc entertainment center. Thats how I meet this fella. I doctor friend of mine bought a Betty PC and I was all giddy about it and were he got it. So he gave me the guys phone number.

I am still hopefull that Skulltrail will be DDR3 M/B . Yes thats what I will get . If its not than BADass 3 is what I will end up with. Not a big deal . I sure would like the e-penis of owning skulltrail tho . I know I would never use that kind of performance but so what its my $$$$.

Whats up with so many people worried about what other people do with their own $$$.

. Now back to the offtopic Sli . What did nv give intel for Nv to get a license for CSI and nehalem chipsets. Intel had to be crazy to make a deal with NV if they didn't get something in return . Really why would Intel even want NV chipsets running on their products. I mean really NV chipsets are buggy as hell.

Lets make a bet. Not $$ you name the stakes. The bet is this. I bet a O/C wolfdale maxed on water. can beat a stock K10 @ its released Clock speed in the majority of bench marks . Other than the server benchies. I mean really I see know reason to bring harptown or yorkfield into this. 2 core wolfdale should do the job nicely . Of course I know some apps . the wolf will lose by a hair .

Name the stakes.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
If K10 clobbers a Dual fsb 2socket Intel penryn running @ 4+ ghz in the performance arena . I will never post in the forums again. Gives you something to look forward to! Does it not?

Dang it I was trying to think of a word to fit better than Path or trail . You gave it o me a little late trail blazer. Darn! Darn! Darn!

You're trying to change the wrong word. How bout "SlugTrail"?

 

[Nemesis 1]

Keys . Trailblazer was good or as that poster put it blazing a trail . Slugtrail would have confused to many . Magit Trail could have worked. LOl.