Ski Iowa

[BoberFett]

You fail to see though that farm subsidies are important to keep the price of food down. The poor pay no taxes, and therefore see none of the ill effect of subsidies. Instead, they are given things such as vast quantities of cheap high fructose corn syrup. They can then get diabetes and have to turn to the rich doctors for treatment, who will take money from other people in the form of Medicare to treat the disease. Then the doctors will invariably fvck something up, and some rich lawyer will sue the rich doctor. Somewhere along the line, the rich insurance company will raise their insurance rates. Another set of totally unrelated rich lawyers can then start a class action suit against the rich corn syrup manufacturers.

It's a wonderful system, no? At least the poor people can keep getting their UltraMassiveGargantu-Gulps for $0.69.

Honestly, sometimes I want to go live in a log cabin in the middle of Alaska.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: BoberFett


Honestly, sometimes I want to go live in a log cabin in the middle of Alaska.

Theodore Kaczynski? Your back already?

Oh, just another cheap copy, I was wondering where you got your style.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: BoberFett


Honestly, sometimes I want to go live in a log cabin in the middle of Alaska.

Theodore Kaczynski? Your back already?

Oh, just another cheap copy, I was wondering where you got your style.

Oh look, King Bigot is back for more of his generalizations. :roll:

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: BoberFett
You fail to see though that farm subsidies are important to keep the price of food down. The poor pay no taxes, and therefore see none of the ill effect of subsidies. Instead, they are given things such as vast quantities of cheap high fructose corn syrup. They can then get diabetes and have to turn to the rich doctors for treatment, who will take money from other people in the form of Medicare to treat the disease. Then the doctors will invariably fvck something up, and some rich lawyer will sue the rich doctor. Somewhere along the line, the rich insurance company will raise their insurance rates. Another set of totally unrelated rich lawyers can then start a class action suit against the rich corn syrup manufacturers.

It's a wonderful system, no? At least the poor people can keep getting their UltraMassiveGargantu-Gulps for $0.69.

Honestly, sometimes I want to go live in a log cabin in the middle of Alaska.

And if the goverment did not have such high tariffs on sugar, we would not be pumping our population with corn syrup and driving candy making jobs to canada. The joys of unintended consequences...

 

[BBond]

First, to end farm subsidies in America would give our "trading partners," with their farm subsidies, a huge advantage over American farmers.

Secondly, I'd like to know if everyone here realizes where the money for these farm subsidies and many other programs is coming from? (Hint: it has to do with a welfare program that is still in existence years after America's so-called "welfare reform," a form of welfare that red-staters don't seem to mind because they are the overwhelming beneficaries)

 

[smack Down]

Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey

Originally posted by: charrison
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As Iowa finishes harvesting its second-largest corn crop in history, Roger Fray is racing to cope with the most visible challenge arising from the United States' ballooning farm subsidy program: the mega-corn pile.

Soaring more than 60 feet high and spreading a football field wide, the mound of corn behind the headquarters of West Central Cooperative here resembles a little yellow ski hill. "There is no engineering class that teaches you how to cover a pile like this," Mr. Fray, the company's executive vice president for grain marketing, said from the adjacent road. "This is country creativity."

At 2.7 million bushels, the giant pile illustrates the explosive growth in corn production by American farmers in recent years, which this year is estimated to reach a nationwide total of at least 10.9 billion bushels, second only to last year's 11.8 billion bushels.

...

Most of that money will flow to corn growers. Based on loan-deficiency rates that have recently topped 50 cents a bushel, the government probably will pay corn farmers about $4.5 billion this year in that subsidy category alone, said Bob Young, the chief economist for the American Farm Bureau Federation.

...

The government spent $41.9 billion on corn subsidies from 1995 to 2004, according to the Environmental Working Group.

So far, current and future corn shipments of 550 million bushels are running 11 percent behind last year's level of 640 million bushels in early November, according to government figures. But lately foreign and domestic buyers, sensing fire-sale conditions, have started to snap up corn at historically cheap prices, said Steve Bruce, a grain trader with Man Financial in Chicago. "We have reached the saturation point where the grain elevator managers have said we just have to sell the stuff," he said.


...

Lately the giant piles have become the butt of jokes in farm country. They were spoofed in a fake picture, widely e-mailed, that showed a skier airborne atop West Central's biggest pile, with the caption that said "one thing you can do with a 3-million-bushel pile of harvested corn: Ski Iowa."

Time to kill off alot of farm subsidies... this is crazy.

Many corn piles exist because it can't be moved at a great enough clip due to reduced barge traffic and rail services that can't handle the harvest. Now as for why there are increasing harvests - ever increasing yields are at "fault" for that. High yields prove today's seeds tolerate drought far better than farmers ever expected

Now, I'm not exactly sure how you are equating subsidies with big piles of corn but something would be grown on the land regardless and I'm pretty sure farmers don't get into the business just because of "subsidies".

However, I would love to see subsidies eliminated, but unless there is a profitable alternative then I don't think you'll see them go. Whether it's subsidies or market protections like sugar gets, the Government loves to stick their hands in pretty much everything. Is it right? No, but I'd like to hear a plan for weening farming from subsidies.

Oh right I forgot we were talking about the peoples republic of Iowa where profits were not only g

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: BoberFett


Honestly, sometimes I want to go live in a log cabin in the middle of Alaska.

Theodore Kaczynski? Your back already?

Oh, just another cheap copy, I was wondering where you got your style.

Oh look, King Bigot is back for more of his generalizations. :roll:

Get well soon.

 

[smack Down]

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[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Get well soon.

Get well? Why? Are you planning on stabbing me?

 

[Steeplerot]

Paranoid much?

Hehe now hows that, you made a sig just for me 🙂 awww

Oh since the free advertising I do charge for facepainting send pm for special AT rates 😉

 

[Shuxclams]

Originally posted by: alphatarget1
can't they make ethanol out of those?

corn is gooood. haha.

Sen Harkin, year after year has pushed for Legislation increasing the use of Ethanol and also using the great quantities of Corn (et al) as a energy source. I myself am considering converting my Ford F-150 to use "vegatable oil" in place of Gasoline. Think of all the money and ENERGY we are paying for and wasting when we could actually have Health Care, Better Schooling and a myiad of other really useful social programs.... But alas, we have an administration steeped in Oil and Oil money.





SHUX

 

[ShadesOfGrey]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Vote for me and Farmers will have to work for a living again.

I'd like you to try to say that straight to a farmer's face. They work 10X harder than you've ever thought of working.

 

[ShadesOfGrey]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey

Originally posted by: charrison
The only problem with corn to ethanol is it is still being proped up by subsidies as well.

The only way to free ourselves of subsidies is stop using them. There we subsidize the farmers( or any group for that matter), they more subsidy they will want.

Ethanol is sustainable on it's own. You can't bash ethanol about subsidies without looking at the oil industry either.😉 They have their own.

I would love to see a free market. Any suggestions on how we get there?

If ethinol is self sustainable, turn off the subsidies. IF it is sef sustainable there will still be demand for corn. Just turn the damn things off..

The farm subidies aren't for ethanol expressly. You are trying to lump alot of things together and blast it for because of farm subsidies. Ethanol is only a small part of the corn world, but it is a sustainable business that can help create a real world demand for corn.

I'm not sure what you think "turn the damn things off" means though. Do you want it to end only for corn? What about the rest of what farm subsidies encompass? They would all crash if you just turned it all off and it would send shock waves through the whole economy. You need to provide a better answer than just turn it off because that just won't work.

 

[ShadesOfGrey]

Originally posted by: Shuxclams

Originally posted by: alphatarget1
can't they make ethanol out of those?

corn is gooood. haha.

Sen Harkin, year after year has pushed for Legislation increasing the use of Ethanol and also using the great quantities of Corn (et al) as a energy source. I myself am considering converting my Ford F-150 to use "vegatable oil" in place of Gasoline. Think of all the money and ENERGY we are paying for and wasting when we could actually have Health Care, Better Schooling and a myiad of other really useful social programs.... But alas, we have an administration steeped in Oil and Oil money.

SHUX

While you want to only single out Harkin, you are missing the fact that Grassely has done as much if not more with regards to promotion of ethanol.

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Vote for me and Farmers will have to work for a living again.

I'd like you to try to say that straight to a farmer's face. They work 10X harder than you've ever thought of working.

You call being on the government dole hard work???

:laugh:

 

[ShadesOfGrey]

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Vote for me and Farmers will have to work for a living again.

I'd like you to try to say that straight to a farmer's face. They work 10X harder than you've ever thought of working.

You call being on the government dole hard work???

:laugh:

Have you ever worked on a farm? Obviously you haven't. Farmers work atleast 10X harder than you've ever worked in your life. You are one miserable POS if you think Farmers don't work hard for the little reward they get.

 

[smack Down]

Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Vote for me and Farmers will have to work for a living again.

I'd like you to try to say that straight to a farmer's face. They work 10X harder than you've ever thought of working.

You call being on the government dole hard work???

:laugh:

Have you ever worked on a farm? Obviously you haven't. Farmers work atleast 10X harder than you've ever worked in your life. You are one miserable POS if you think Farmers don't work hard for the little reward they get.

Yup, paying mexicans is "hard work."

 

[ShadesOfGrey]

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Vote for me and Farmers will have to work for a living again.

I'd like you to try to say that straight to a farmer's face. They work 10X harder than you've ever thought of working.

You call being on the government dole hard work???

:laugh:

Have you ever worked on a farm? Obviously you haven't. Farmers work atleast 10X harder than you've ever worked in your life. You are one miserable POS if you think Farmers don't work hard for the little reward they get.

Yup, paying mexicans is "hard work."

:laugh: I love how the extreme leftists here seem to think that farming is easy. I'd love to see them try a week or two on a farm.
You people are hilarious.

 

[smack Down]

Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Vote for me and Farmers will have to work for a living again.

I'd like you to try to say that straight to a farmer's face. They work 10X harder than you've ever thought of working.

You call being on the government dole hard work???

:laugh:

Have you ever worked on a farm? Obviously you haven't. Farmers work atleast 10X harder than you've ever worked in your life. You are one miserable POS if you think Farmers don't work hard for the little reward they get.

Yup, paying mexicans is "hard work."

:laugh: I love how the extreme leftists here seem to think that farming is easy. I'd love to see them try a week or two on a farm.
You people are hilarious.

Haha far left. I'm sure your support of farm subsides would make your old buddy karl marx proud. Nothing like paying people money based on how "hard" they work instead of what a free market will support.

 

[SarcasticDwarf]

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Vote for me and Farmers will have to work for a living again.

I'd like you to try to say that straight to a farmer's face. They work 10X harder than you've ever thought of working.

You call being on the government dole hard work???

:laugh:

Have you ever worked on a farm? Obviously you haven't. Farmers work atleast 10X harder than you've ever worked in your life. You are one miserable POS if you think Farmers don't work hard for the little reward they get.

Yup, paying mexicans is "hard work."

:laugh: I love how the extreme leftists here seem to think that farming is easy. I'd love to see them try a week or two on a farm.
You people are hilarious.

Haha far left. I'm sure your support of farm subsides would make your old buddy karl marx proud. Nothing like paying people money based on how "hard" they work instead of what a free market will support.

The fact of the matter is that farmers are not getting enough from their crops to survive, thus requiring subsidies. Large companies that farm huge amounts of land have less need of these (as they are able to drive their costs much lower through mass production), but they still get the same amount (meaning they get larger profits and most small farms can't even survive).

 

[ShadesOfGrey]

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Vote for me and Farmers will have to work for a living again.

I'd like you to try to say that straight to a farmer's face. They work 10X harder than you've ever thought of working.

You call being on the government dole hard work???

:laugh:

Have you ever worked on a farm? Obviously you haven't. Farmers work atleast 10X harder than you've ever worked in your life. You are one miserable POS if you think Farmers don't work hard for the little reward they get.

Yup, paying mexicans is "hard work."

:laugh: I love how the extreme leftists here seem to think that farming is easy. I'd love to see them try a week or two on a farm.
You people are hilarious.

Haha far left. I'm sure your support of farm subsides would make your old buddy karl marx proud. Nothing like paying people money based on how "hard" they work instead of what a free market will support.

Have you read anything I've posted? I would like to see the free market take over. However you need plan and scenario for these things to take place under, you can't just end them, it would ruin many other aspects of our economy. I have yet to see a plan proposed that will lead us to ending subsidies. Do you have one?

 

[smack Down]

Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Vote for me and Farmers will have to work for a living again.

I'd like you to try to say that straight to a farmer's face. They work 10X harder than you've ever thought of working.

You call being on the government dole hard work???

:laugh:

Have you ever worked on a farm? Obviously you haven't. Farmers work atleast 10X harder than you've ever worked in your life. You are one miserable POS if you think Farmers don't work hard for the little reward they get.

Yup, paying mexicans is "hard work."

:laugh: I love how the extreme leftists here seem to think that farming is easy. I'd love to see them try a week or two on a farm.
You people are hilarious.

Haha far left. I'm sure your support of farm subsides would make your old buddy karl marx proud. Nothing like paying people money based on how "hard" they work instead of what a free market will support.

The fact of the matter is that farmers are not getting enough from their crops to survive, thus requiring subsidies. Large companies that farm huge amounts of land have less need of these (as they are able to drive their costs much lower through mass production), but they still get the same amount (meaning they get larger profits and most small farms can't even survive).

So what if a few small farms go under. Cry me a river businesses go under ever day why should I support small farmers? And massive farmers

 

[ShadesOfGrey]

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Vote for me and Farmers will have to work for a living again.

I'd like you to try to say that straight to a farmer's face. They work 10X harder than you've ever thought of working.

You call being on the government dole hard work???

:laugh:

Have you ever worked on a farm? Obviously you haven't. Farmers work atleast 10X harder than you've ever worked in your life. You are one miserable POS if you think Farmers don't work hard for the little reward they get.

Yup, paying mexicans is "hard work."

:laugh: I love how the extreme leftists here seem to think that farming is easy. I'd love to see them try a week or two on a farm.
You people are hilarious.

Haha far left. I'm sure your support of farm subsides would make your old buddy karl marx proud. Nothing like paying people money based on how "hard" they work instead of what a free market will support.

The fact of the matter is that farmers are not getting enough from their crops to survive, thus requiring subsidies. Large companies that farm huge amounts of land have less need of these (as they are able to drive their costs much lower through mass production), but they still get the same amount (meaning they get larger profits and most small farms can't even survive).

So what if a few small farms go under. Cry me a river businesses go under ever day why should I support small farmers? And massive farmers

Yeah, and then who cares about the small towns destroyed, and who cares about the small farm dealers who have these farmers as their customers, who cares about the small repair businesses that service their equipment. Who cares that corporate farming will take over and dictate everything. Yeah, who cares :roll:

 

[smack Down]

Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Vote for me and Farmers will have to work for a living again.

I'd like you to try to say that straight to a farmer's face. They work 10X harder than you've ever thought of working.

You call being on the government dole hard work???

:laugh:

Have you ever worked on a farm? Obviously you haven't. Farmers work atleast 10X harder than you've ever worked in your life. You are one miserable POS if you think Farmers don't work hard for the little reward they get.

Yup, paying mexicans is "hard work."

:laugh: I love how the extreme leftists here seem to think that farming is easy. I'd love to see them try a week or two on a farm.
You people are hilarious.

Haha far left. I'm sure your support of farm subsides would make your old buddy karl marx proud. Nothing like paying people money based on how "hard" they work instead of what a free market will support.

The fact of the matter is that farmers are not getting enough from their crops to survive, thus requiring subsidies. Large companies that farm huge amounts of land have less need of these (as they are able to drive their costs much lower through mass production), but they still get the same amount (meaning they get larger profits and most small farms can't even survive).

So what if a few small farms go under. Cry me a river businesses go under ever day why should I support small farmers? And massive farmers

Yeah, and then who cares about the small towns destroyed, and who cares about the small farm dealers who have these farmers as their customers, who cares about the small repair businesses that service their equipment. Who cares that corporate farming will take over and dictate everything. Yeah, who cares :roll:

I know I don't care about some piss ant town in the middle of Iowa that is collective on the dole. Cleary you don't support the free market unless the free market is in an area that doesn't hit close to home. Corporations control everything else why not farming?

 

[sixone]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Vote for me and Farmers will have to work for a living again.

Vote for you, and there won't be anymore farmers, only more corporations like ADM.

I'd appreciate it if you'd back up your statement by telling us about your farming experience.