Sixth Grader Arrested after Refusing to Stand for Pledge

[96Firebird]

It's not my job to find them, I'm not a teacher...

I love responses like this... "This is a problem!" How do you think we should fix it? "That's not my job!"

...but since you want one so bad here you go: Stop class, call his parents wait for them to arrive and take it from there. No violence, no police.

What do we do with the rest of the kids? What if the parents are working and can't make it until they get out? What if they don't answer?

Sorry, your solution sucks. Good thing its not your job.

 

[ecogen]

I love responses like this... "This is a problem!" How do you think we should fix it? "That's not my job!"



What do we do with the rest of the kids? What if the parents are working and can't make it until they get out? What if they don't answer?

Sorry, your solution sucks. Good thing its not your job.

I don't need to be a fucking chef to tell you your soup tastes like shit. Nor am I obligated to give you tips to improve your recipe after I tell you.

How many kids do you think are uncooperative daily in classrooms? How many get the police called on them while having done nothing violent at all? That should tell you all you need to know but you wanna play what if games.

 

[Zorba]

The clickbait title of the article is completely misleading. The kid wasn't arrested for refusing to stand for the pledge of allegiance. He was arrested for making threats and resisting.

I'm not saying that it was justified or anything, but damn, the headlines of articles now a days are all designed to mislead and just draw out emotion and not really tell the general gist of the story.

I also don't blame the OP for titling his post the same as the article.

The teacher started a racist disagreement with the child after he refused to stand for the pledge. The consequences of this teacher's actions lead to the kid being arrested for basically loosing his cool after the teacher engaged him in a racist and confrontational way.

So he wasn't arrested for not standing, he was bullied by an adult for not standing. He was then arrested because he was upset about being bullied by an adult. Not standing was the action that started the chain of events.

 

[ch33zw1z]

If the teacher was following school policy, then she never would have said something to the child.

 

[interchange]

Sounds like the nature of the kid's protest is that authority communicates that it cares and grants authority to protest yet acts to corruptly control dissidence. And the rest was an enactment of that. I wonder how things would have been differently if someone recognized that and empathized with the kid.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Nice rant. How is it racist?

Follow up, do teachers get to control their own classroom, or can kids do what they want?

In this case, SCOTUS says no, the teacher doesn't "control" the situation. No student can be forced to participate in the pledge.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Virginia_State_Board_of_Education_v._Barnette

In this case the teacher created the conflict and owns it.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Calling the police on an 11 year old because "he threatened violence" (if that happened) is a fucking joke, those are the facts.



His reasoning for not standing is irrelevant since it is his right (which the teacher should have fucking known btw), he could have said he wanted to sit because he was tired from fucking your mom in the ass all night for all it matters.

Again, teachers get to follow the rules set by whatever authority the U.S. has for shit like that or the rules of the school or w/e, the fact that you think teachers get to do whatever the fuck they want in their classroom is utter bullshit.

If an 11 year old threatens violence at a school, what should the teacher do? Do you know what happens if that teacher were to lay a hand on that kid? In your opinion, an 11 year old boy (of unknown size and strength) threatens a female teacher (of unknown size and strength) with violence and is actively disrupting class, what should be done to defuse the situation?

Not sure what to make of the rest of what you wrote. But I assume you think teachers don't have a right to make rules in their classrooms and they shouldn't call the police on kids that threaten violence. Sounds like a well thought out plan.

P.S. - Did anyone get this kid's dad's opinion? Or is dad not around? Assuming that's the case (and statistically it is), I wouldn't be shocked if this kid's manners and respect for authority and his elders might not be the best...

 

[ecogen]

If an 11 year old threatens violence at a school, what should the teacher do? Do you know what happens if that teacher were to lay a hand on that kid? In your opinion, an 11 year old boy (of unknown size and strength) threatens a female teacher (of unknown size and strength) with violence and is actively disrupting class, what should be done to defuse the situation?

Empty the classroom/call another teacher to wait with the kid until his parents get there if the kid is unwilling to move.

Not sure what to make of the rest of what you wrote. But I assume you think teachers don't have a right to make rules in their classrooms and they shouldn't call the police on kids that threaten violence. Sounds like a well thought out plan.

Teachers aren't god you fucking moron, they don't make the rules, they follow the rules that have been set for them by the school and/or law. This teacher in particular was going against the law by trying to force the kid to recite the pledge or punishing him for not reciting it. Get that through that thick skull of yours, the TEACHER, not the kid, was acting unlawfully in the first place.

 

[purbeast0]

The teacher started a racist disagreement with the child after he refused to stand for the pledge. The consequences of this teacher's actions lead to the kid being arrested for basically loosing his cool after the teacher engaged him in a racist and confrontational way.

So he wasn't arrested for not standing, he was bullied by an adult for not standing. He was then arrested because he was upset about being bullied by an adult. Not standing was the action that started the chain of events.

Not sure what your point is. But I'm glad you can read too.

 

[realibrad]

As someone who lives in FL, I wanted to give some background.

It appears the sub teacher was Cuban. Many do not know this, but, Cubans are quite often very conservative. Many that left Cuba during the revolution were the wealthier people. Those people tended to be the people from Spanish descent and were Whiter. So, when they came to the US, they wanted to fit in with the White people which were conservatives. Also, the conservatives were anti Castro so they fit right in.

So, many Cubans being conservatives take typical conservative views such as supporting the flag. So this probably played a role here.

Pro tip, don't tell your future mother in-law that you are in an interracial relationship because you are white and she is Cuban and Latin. Especially do not do that on Mother's day. There is a good chance she will be racist and think that anyone that is not white is lesser and by saying her daughter is not white she will lose her shit.

 

[Zorba]

If an 11 year old threatens violence at a school, what should the teacher do? Do you know what happens if that teacher were to lay a hand on that kid? In your opinion, an 11 year old boy (of unknown size and strength) threatens a female teacher (of unknown size and strength) with violence and is actively disrupting class, what should be done to defuse the situation?

Not sure what to make of the rest of what you wrote. But I assume you think teachers don't have a right to make rules in their classrooms and they shouldn't call the police on kids that threaten violence. Sounds like a well thought out plan.

P.S. - Did anyone get this kid's dad's opinion? Or is dad not around? Assuming that's the case (and statistically it is), I wouldn't be shocked if this kid's manners and respect for authority and his elders might not be the best...

For the record nothing says he threatened the teacher. He made threats as he was being escorted out of the room by police. It is all in the article if you had read it.

 

[Zorba]

Not sure what your point is. But I'm glad you can read too.

I'm disagreeing the title is clickbait. Just like an article that said "Car catches fire after accident" isn't clickbait even if the car actually caught on fire due to a fuel leak caused by the accident.

The title has to be relatively short and is supposed to be a lead in, not an abstract.

 

[purbeast0]

I'm disagreeing the title is clickbait. Just like an article that said "Car catches fire after accident" isn't clickbait even if the car actually caught on fire due to a fuel leak caused by the accident.

The title has to be relatively short and is supposed to be a lead in, not an abstract.

It has to be short?

"Sixth-grader arrested in Florida after refusal to participate in Pledge of Allegiance led to confrontation"

It takes up 3 lines on their website, how is that short? You're just being dense if you don't think it's intentionally worded that way to draw in clicks.

"Sixth-grader arrested for threats and resisting after refusal to participate in Pledge of Allegiance"

That's even shorter, but it's not nearly as click baity.

 

[fskimospy]

There are a lot deeper issues here.

The teacher did what she should have: she contacted the office. She's now being hung out to dry by the school.

Do you guys realize that's what teachers face nowadays? It doesn't matter how disruptive or disrespectful the kids in your class are, if you call in what the administration deems are too many complaints they let you go because you've "lost control of your classroom" and "can't handle students".

So what options do teachers have? They just let the students play fortnite and retake quizzes and tests until they pass. One of my friends is three years from a pension and doesn't know if he can make it. Luckily his wife has a good job.

If you actually know people who work in education they would laugh at your description of what the teacher should have done.

1) not standing for the pledge is meaningless and protected by law so to begin with she should have done nothing.

2) failing that, common sense dictates she should not have engaged in an argument with a child about the issue.

3) failing that, she should not have attempted to discipline the child for engaging in legally protected speech.

She’s a total incompetent when it comes to teaching, clearly. The school is better off without her.

 

[SMOGZINN]

If an 11 year old threatens violence at a school, what should the teacher do? Do you know what happens if that teacher were to lay a hand on that kid? In your opinion, an 11 year old boy (of unknown size and strength) threatens a female teacher (of unknown size and strength) with violence and is actively disrupting class, what should be done to defuse the situation?

Not sure what to make of the rest of what you wrote. But I assume you think teachers don't have a right to make rules in their classrooms and they shouldn't call the police on kids that threaten violence. Sounds like a well thought out plan.

P.S. - Did anyone get this kid's dad's opinion? Or is dad not around? Assuming that's the case (and statistically it is), I wouldn't be shocked if this kid's manners and respect for authority and his elders might not be the best...

You just decided to go full strawman mode? Nothing you said even remotely fits what went on here. The cops were called BEFORE the kid made any threats. Who cares about the kids dad, he was not in that classroom, nor would we expect him to be even if he was dad of the year. If we are going all strawman on this what if the kids dad died defending our country? Does that make a difference? don't know anything about the kids dad, but neither do you. You are just casting shade at his family.

This is a child. We expect our teachers to be more mature than them. The teachers should not be the ones escalating the situation. Pick your battles.

 

[soulcougher73]

Arrest the teacher for being an idiot. And while were at it lets ban the pledge, as its retarded.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Arrest the teacher for being an idiot. And while were at it lets ban the pledge, as its retarded.

I can get behind removing the allegiance from a school setting. The teacher should have diffused the situation instead of escalating it. She's supposed to be the adult...

 

[brycejones]

I was horrible as a kid before high school with lots of issues especially in elementary school. In today's brain dead "zero tolerance" environment who knows what would have happened to me. But back in the late 70s and early 80s the school just dealt with it, called my parents and moved on. The only thing "zero tolerance" policies result in is escalating minor situations into major blowups. Kids will act out and schools have to be prepared to deal with that without resorting to engaging the police. Arresting a child in this instance is just fucking stupid.

 

[WelshBloke]

American schools are weird.

Imagine if this story was "Chinese child dragged away by police for refusing to take part in chant of obedience to state", you guys would presumably think that was odd?

Or if in the UK we made children recite an oath to the Queen under threat of punishment?

 

[Majes]

The student made threats and was arrested. That's the way it works in schools. If threats are made, then police are involved.

Was the substitute ignorant, or out of line? Yes, but it seems that procedure was followed after that. If you want to give the kid a pass since the teacher got him riled up that's fine, but there are consequences in life for behavior no matter what the starting point is.

The police are in my middle school almost weekly just being a presence and we do have multiple arrests per year for threats of violence or drug possession and such.

 

[sportage]

Considering how we have a commie loving, Putin loving, Kim-Jon loving president of the United States, maybe we'd better listen to this kid.
After all, just maybe the kid knows better than we do.
Seriously.... should any American salute our flag or participate in reciting the allegiance or stand during the national anthem to show support of the disgrace America has become?
You think Donald Trump has any desire to stand for what the United States once stood for? It's all an act, a con directed at his base to pretend Trump cares about America and not feathering his own nest at all cost. And frankly, I doubt the sincerity of Trump's base as well.

I say GO KID.
Maybe we can all learn something. And that something being THE TRUTH.

 

[SlowSpyder]

American schools are weird.

Imagine if this story was "Chinese child dragged away by police for refusing to take part in chant of obedience to state", you guys would presumably think that was odd?

Or if in the UK we made children recite an oath to the Queen under threat of punishment?

That would be an inaccurate description, most likely. If that was the case, I think we'd all be appalled.

 

[WelshBloke]

That would be an inaccurate description, most likely. If that was the case, I think we'd all be appalled.

You dont sound very sure of anything in those two sentences!

 

[SlowSpyder]

You dont sound very sure of anything in those two sentences!

Anyone here that claims to be sure of how this situation went down is projecting. You and I have no idea how that kid was acting, what he said, if the teacher was just being ridiculous, etc.

 

[WelshBloke]

Anyone here that claims to be sure of how this situation went down is projecting. You and I have no idea how that kid was acting, what he said, if the teacher was just being ridiculous, etc.

Yeah but when a statement has as many uncertainties as yours did it ceases to have any meaning. It was funny.