Sixth Grader Arrested after Refusing to Stand for Pledge

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Lifer
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He threatened the teacher.

Zero tolerance.

He refutes that. My own experience with my school district makes me immediately skeptical and I'll side with the student first until it is clear that the school isn't lying. We don't know this school district or students proclivity to lying, more information needed.

I've literally had school video sitting in front of me, waitching it with the district admin, while they refuse to admit that what's on the video is true.
 
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Paratus

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There are a lot deeper issues here.

The teacher did what she should have: she contacted the office. She's now being hung out to dry by the school.

Do you guys realize that's what teachers face nowadays? It doesn't matter how disruptive or disrespectful the kids in your class are, if you call in what the administration deems are too many complaints they let you go because you've "lost control of your classroom" and "can't handle students".

So what options do teachers have? They just let the students play fortnite and retake quizzes and tests until they pass. One of my friends is three years from a pension and doesn't know if he can make it. Luckily his wife has a good job.

Three years from a pension? Interesting turn of phrase. In the US we generally say three years from retirement.

So why do you suppose this teacher doesn’t understand the rights of their students? Shouldn’t they be prepared to do their work instead of trying to make some kind of poliitcal statement
 
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SlowSpyder

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How is the pledge racist? Do teachers get to control their own classrooms? I'm sure this kid was a perfect angel, several adults involved and it ended with the police...
 
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Might need to read that again. He made threats after being lead out by the police officer after an adult teacher told him to go back to where he was from for exercising his constitutional rights. Its pretty sad that in America an adult can treat a child like shit and then get the child arrested for being upset about it.

More than likely there will be a lawsuit and a payout because adult educators can't learn to treat children with respect and the only way many cops know how to deal with something is arresting someone.

I get the concept of not standing for the flag - but I mean... whatever happened to just general obedience while at school? Is that really so much to ask? I'll defend the right to not stand for the flag or whatever, but at the same time I don't want to promote rebel retard kids. Fine balance and all that.
 

ecogen

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I get the concept of not standing for the flag - but I mean... whatever happened to just general obedience while at school? Is that really so much to ask? I'll defend the right to not stand for the flag or whatever, but at the same time I don't want to promote rebel retard kids. Fine balance and all that.

Yeah standing every day to chant a cult-like pledge is integral to growing up properly. Growing up to be a proper pathetic bootlicker that is.

Your pledge of allegiance bullshit is crackpot dictatorship level garbage.
 

SlowSpyder

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Yeah standing every day to chant a cult-like pledge is integral to growing up properly. Growing up to be a proper pathetic bootlicker that is.

Your pledge of allegiance bullshit is crackpot dictatorship level garbage.


Nice rant. How is it racist?

Follow up, do teachers get to control their own classroom, or can kids do what they want?
 

ecogen

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Nice rant. How is it racist?

Follow up, do teachers get to control their own classroom, or can kids do what they want?

You wanna point out in that quote specifically the part where I called it racist?

Teachers don't get to do whatever they want either, and even if a 11 year old kid is being rowdy or even if he threatens violence, you don't call the fucking police, you either throw him out or take him to the principal's office and call his parents or something.
 
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96Firebird

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Teachers don't get to do whatever they want either, and even if a 11 year old kid is being rowdy or even if he threatens violence, you don't call the fucking police, you either throw him out or take him to the principal's office and call his parents or something.

And if the kid doesn't move? What then? Can't forcefully move him, that would be violence. How do you "throw him out" if the student is uncooperative?
 

ecogen

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And if the kid doesn't move? What then? Can't forcefully move him, that would be violence. How do you "throw him out" if the student is uncooperative?

So, the only way to get an 11 year old to cooperate is bring in the police and arrest him? Fucking lol your schools are more garbage than I previously thought.
 
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SlowSpyder

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You wanna point out in that quote specifically the part where I called it racist?

Teachers don't get to do whatever they want either, and even if a 11 year old kid is being rowdy or even if he threatens violence, you don't call the fucking police, you either throw him out or take him to the principal's office and call his parents or something.


Wow, glad you have all the details and were there so you can make a fully informed judgement call on whether it was right to call the police or not. Glad to see another logic and fact-driven leftist, not running with a predetermined narrative at all!

I didn't say YOU were calling it racist. This kid did. So, is his reasoning for not standing valid or not? Can the teacher make the rules in her own class room?
 

ecogen

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Wow, glad you have all the details and were there so you can make a fully informed judgement call on whether it was right or not to do so. Glad to see another logic and fact-driven leftist, not running with a predetermined narrative at all!

Calling the police on an 11 year old because "he threatened violence" (if that happened) is a fucking joke, those are the facts.

I didn't say YOU were calling it racist. This kid did. So, is his reasoning for not standing valid or not? Can the teacher make the rules in her own class room?

His reasoning for not standing is irrelevant since it is his right (which the teacher should have fucking known btw), he could have said he wanted to sit because he was tired from fucking your mom in the ass all night for all it matters.

Again, teachers get to follow the rules set by whatever authority the U.S. has for shit like that or the rules of the school or w/e, the fact that you think teachers get to do whatever the fuck they want in their classroom is utter bullshit.
 
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96Firebird

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So, the only way to get an 11 year old to cooperate is bring in the police and arrest him? Fucking lol your schools are more garbage than I previously thought.

You sound unstable.

What would your solution be?
 

96Firebird

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You're fine with calling the police on an 11 year old and I'm the one that's unstable. JFC.

Sounds like you're fine with the teacher handling it by whatever means possible. Do tell how that will lead to a better outcome.
 

ecogen

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Sounds like you're fine with the teacher handling it by whatever means possible. Do tell how that will lead to a better outcome.

Don't put words in my mouth. There is a vast array of options between not calling the police and "using any means necessary".
 
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purbeast0

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The clickbait title of the article is completely misleading. The kid wasn't arrested for refusing to stand for the pledge of allegiance. He was arrested for making threats and resisting.

I'm not saying that it was justified or anything, but damn, the headlines of articles now a days are all designed to mislead and just draw out emotion and not really tell the general gist of the story.

I also don't blame the OP for titling his post the same as the article.
 

96Firebird

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Don't put words in my mouth. There is a vast array of options between not calling the police and "using any means necessary".

I've asked for solutions and you've provided nothing. Guess you're not as smart as you think.
 

Zorba

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I get the concept of not standing for the flag - but I mean... whatever happened to just general obedience while at school? Is that really so much to ask? I'll defend the right to not stand for the flag or whatever, but at the same time I don't want to promote rebel retard kids. Fine balance and all that.
Every story I've read has said that the teacher started the engagement and sounds like she escalated the situation. Forcing a kid to stand for the pledge and ridicule him for not isn't general obedience, it is a violation of his rights.

I agree that once the situation got out of hand removing him from the class was probably the right thing. But he should have just been given time to cool off and moved on with his day. Arresting him serves no purpose except to probably get the school and police department sued.

If causing a classroom disruption is illegal, the teacher should've been arrested for starting the incident.
 
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