Sitting in a FrontPage training class...DAY TWO!

[jonmullen]

yah well frontpage does it job, which is Joe blow who wants to make a small website, but not website that wants to be taken seriously should use frontpage no exceptions .

 

[KingNothing]

Originally posted by: jonmullen
yah well frontpage does it job, which is Joe blow who wants to make a small website, but not website that wants to be taken seriously should use frontpage no exceptions .

I'll be sure to let the volunteer webmaster know that. Says he hasn't decided between Dreamweaver and FP yet so there's still hope.

 

[jonmullen]

Well that Coal Cracker site is not to bad, you did not try to use any of the ghey frontpage extensions thats where most people mess up. I still think its funny to see ppl who call them self profesional web developers going to a frontpage class kinda a big oxymoron (sp?).

 

[jonmullen]

Originally posted by: KingNothing

Originally posted by: jonmullen
yah well frontpage does it job, which is Joe blow who wants to make a small website, but not website that wants to be taken seriously should use frontpage no exceptions .

I'll be sure to let the volunteer webmaster know that. Says he hasn't decided between Dreamweaver and FP yet so there's still hope.

How big is your company? Its not that he could not make a decent website in frontpage its just that IMO thats all you could posibly hope for...decent. If he really wants to be a webmaster he should learn HTML, even though Dreamweaver is the best WYSIWYG on the market you atleast need an understanding of how HTML so you can get things the way you want them and save head aches. HTML is probably one of the easiest languages to learn the company really should be paying for him to go to a beginners HTML class instead.

 

[Adul]

I see more FP Webmasters at my job then I can shake a stick at. Not to mention how many times FP has screwed up our cgi scripts when someone updates thier site.

Grrr

 

[KingNothing]

Originally posted by: jonmullen

Originally posted by: KingNothing

Originally posted by: jonmullen
yah well frontpage does it job, which is Joe blow who wants to make a small website, but not website that wants to be taken seriously should use frontpage no exceptions .

I'll be sure to let the volunteer webmaster know that. Says he hasn't decided between Dreamweaver and FP yet so there's still hope.

How big is your company? Its not that he could not make a decent website in frontpage its just that IMO thats all you could posibly hope for...decent. If he really wants to be a webmaster he should learn HTML, even though Dreamweaver is the best WYSIWYG on the market you atleast need an understanding of how HTML so you can get things the way you want them and save head aches. HTML is probably one of the easiest languages to learn the company really should be paying for him to go to a beginners HTML class instead.

I work on a military base so my company is fairly big...I've seen their current intranet page and it doesn't look like it was made with FP although I haven't looked at the source to be sure. Maybe he meant he was the volunteer webmaster for his section or something.

 

[KingNothing]

Uh oh...they're going to teach us how to add background sounds to a webpage. :evil:

 

[DiZASTiX]

Originally posted by: ISAslot
I :heart: Dreamweaver

Ya Dreamweaver kicks ass....I only use it though for really simple stuff, just so its faster. Because like, i know i can make a table and frames and insert images, so i do that with the wysywig, but I find i use the source editor of Dreamweaver more than the Wysywig parts. My advice, learn to code in plain text editor first.

 

[rh71]

I'm practically a full-time web developer and I don't even know how to use Frontpage (or Dreamweaver for that matter). I really do need to learn the latter though... DWMX saves a ton of time and still gives me a lot of freedom.

 

[dquan97]

Originally posted by: KingNothing
Uh oh...they're going to teach us how to add background sounds to a webpage. :evil:

DON"T DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :Q

 

[KingNothing]

Originally posted by: dquan97

Originally posted by: KingNothing
Uh oh...they're going to teach us how to add background sounds to a webpage. :evil:

DON"T DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :Q

The bit where they taught us how to add flash movies to a page was worse. Everyone finding random flash movies with sound and playing them all at the same time...

 

[Encryptic]

Originally posted by: KingNothing

Originally posted by: piku
Hey, you can do some pretty good looking stuff with Frontpage if you use it right.

Good-looking, yes. Cross-platform compatible, human-readable/editable, non-bloated...not really.

What he said. FrontPage throws so much crap into the code it's not even funny. For example, try setting the font to "Arial" for one line of text and see how much freaking excess code it uses just to do that. You get all this stuff about font families and yadda yadda, when you could have written one tag that says <font face="Arial" size="2">.

This stuff drives me crazy when I'm trying to edit a page that I created in my FrontPage days (I write HTML by hand in MS Visual Interdev now). You have to pick everything out of a big mass of dreck that FrontPage created....

I used Dreamweaver a bit as well and it's a nice program, but I much prefer writing everything by hand now. Gives you much more control over the code and you don't have to deal with the quirks of a WYSIWYG environment. HTML is simple enough that anyone should be able to pick it up pretty quickly.