Single Payer Health Care NOW! Pass Teddy-Care.

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: LunarRay

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
So... the best way to honor Ted Kennedy is to create a healthcare system that he would have never used for himself... makes sense to me :roll:

Not the best way to honor him.... but a way to induce passage of HR 676... besides, he fought for the little person... he being fairly well off.. Your dilema suggests that he should have only supported the rich being rich... and let the poor support themselves.. That is how is looks, anyhow..

He fought for the little person while exempting himself from the things he forced on them...

The little person needs government healthcare... but I will keep my private healthcare

The little person needs government retirement... but I will keep my expensive retirement plan

The little person needs government education... but I will send my kids to the best private school I can find

The little person needs renewable energy like windmills... just don't build them where I can see them from MY house

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
So... the best way to honor Ted Kennedy is to create a healthcare system that he would have never used for himself... makes sense to me :roll:

We honored John Kennedy by passing a civil rights bill he'd never use himself, he wasn't black. You are really an advocate for evil, lookng for weasel atttacks on good policies.

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
So... the best way to honor Ted Kennedy is to create a healthcare system that he would have never used for himself... makes sense to me :roll:

We honored John Kennedy by passing a civil rights bill he'd never use himself, he wasn't black. You are really an advocate for evil, lookng for weasel atttacks on good policies.

What is good about the government taking over healthcare??

 

[OCGuy]

Yes, let us exploit a dead man.


That is pretty bad. Most Americans would see right through it, I hope.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: OCguy
Yes, let us exploit a dead man.


That is pretty bad. Most Americans would see right through it, I hope.

I hope this will backfire. I don't count on MSM to do anything about it, but I hope Foxnews and talk radio spams the fuck out of the Chappaquiddick incident and remind America of the shitface TK really was.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
So... the best way to honor Ted Kennedy is to create a healthcare system that he would have never used for himself... makes sense to me :roll:

We honored John Kennedy by passing a civil rights bill he'd never use himself, he wasn't black. You are really an advocate for evil, lookng for weasel atttacks on good policies.

What is good about the government taking over healthcare??

You answer a post pointing out that you use weasel distortions to argue for evil, by using moe weasel distortions to argue for evil.

The little assumption you sneak in, 'government taking over healthcare', is a right-wing talking point lie, not an accurate descriprtion.

The government taking over medical care *insurance* is a reasonable description of what Ted Kennedy and other liberals would like, but it's a long shot at this time.

You are being obtuse to ask a question you know the answer to, that the current system provides no non-emergency healthcare to tens of millions of people, and that the costs of the for-profit system and their profit pressures are causing it to become unaffordable in comiing years, to play games with denial of care - and it's already the most overpriced system in the world, even while the actual care is very good in some areas, not others.

Maybe you were just being obtuse to try to distract from getting caught doing what I said.

 

[monovillage]

Originally posted by: Harvey
I wrote mine:

Dear Senator,

In memory of Ted Kennedy, please pass a single payer health care bill. Name it Teddy-Care or Tedi-care.

You need Republicans like a fish needs a pogo stick. To hell with bloated insurance company execs and their mega-buck bonuses and golden parachutes.

You have your single payer health care. Please honor the memory of Ted Kennedy, and pass "Teddy-Care" to grant the same right to the citizens of the United States of America.

Sincerely,

Harvey Rubens

Maybe we can use Ted Kennedy's passing to inspire our all too reluctant Congressional representatives to represent US, for a change.

It won't happen, too many Americans have the same memories of Ted Kennedy that i do. The man has passed and trying to use his death in such an obvious political scam isn't going to fly. If a bill can't pass on it's own merits, it shouldn't pass at all.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
So you want the same people who gave us the following to be 100% in charge of healthcare?

VA problems.
More botched cancer treatment cases at Philadelphia's VA hospital

Miami Man to Sue VA Hospital for HIV

Another VA Blunder: Patients Mistakenly Told They Had ALS

Soldiers Face Neglect, Frustration At Army's Top Medical Facility

Medicare problems
Medicare Money Problems Trigger Warning

Dozens arrested in Medicare fraud busts across US

Blatant Medicare fraud costs taxpayers billions"organized and lucrative schemes to bilk Medicare out of an estimated $60 billion dollars a year"

Education
SAT Scores Fall as Gap Widens; Asians Gain "Many observers Tuesday viewed the flat results of recent years as discouraging in light of a more than 25-year effort to improve U.S. education"

10 Facts About K-12 Education Funding-On a per-pupil basis and adjusted for inflation, public school funding increased: 24 percent from 1991-92 through 2001-02

Fraud, waste and overspending.
Big Dig's red ink engulfs state. Cost spirals to $22b; crushing debt sidetracks other work, pushes agency toward insolvency Will cost nearly 4 times its original estimate.

Cost overruns have military facing 'train wreck,' McCain says Cost of 95 major weapons systems have ballooned by 30 percent

Top 10 Examples of Government Waste I counted about $60 billion in waste per year.

Finally... look at the mess in Massachusetts
Mass. Health Care Reform Reveals Doctor Shortage
The Massachusetts Health Mess
Massachusetts Universal Health Care Cuts Facing a massive budget shortfall, lawmakers are cutting roughly 30 thousand legal, taxpaying immigrants out of the state subsidized Commonwealth Care program
Healthcare reform ? is Massachusetts proof that it can work, or proof that it doesn?t? Now a new study provides data that shows Massachusetts universal healthcare plan costs rose %40 since 2003, compared to the national average for the private sector which only rose 33% in the same period.

With our government's track record I am not very confident they can pull this off without totally screwing it up. If you don't believe me make a trip to the local DMV and see how long you have to wait in line.

last time i went to the dmv there was no line.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: LunarRay

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
So... the best way to honor Ted Kennedy is to create a healthcare system that he would have never used for himself... makes sense to me :roll:

Not the best way to honor him.... but a way to induce passage of HR 676... besides, he fought for the little person... he being fairly well off.. Your dilema suggests that he should have only supported the rich being rich... and let the poor support themselves.. That is how is looks, anyhow..

He fought for the little person while exempting himself from the things he forced on them...

The little person needs government healthcare... but I will keep my private healthcare

The little person needs government retirement... but I will keep my expensive retirement plan

The little person needs government education... but I will send my kids to the best private school I can find

The little person needs renewable energy like windmills... just don't build them where I can see them from MY house

considering that the alternative is often enough that people don't have those things, i don't see the problem. Aren't you always harping on how the rich pay all the taxes?

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
So... the best way to honor Ted Kennedy is to create a healthcare system that he would have never used for himself... makes sense to me :roll:

We honored John Kennedy by passing a civil rights bill he'd never use himself, he wasn't black. You are really an advocate for evil, lookng for weasel atttacks on good policies.

What is good about the government taking over healthcare??

besides making it work, i dunno

 

[Patranus]

What scum bags. This guy hasn't even been dead for 48 hours and they are trying to use his name to pass your agenda.

God. At least wait until the guy is in the ground.....

 

[cubby1223]

Originally posted by: Harvey
I wrote mine:

Dear Senator,

In memory of Ted Kennedy, please pass a single payer health care bill. Name it Teddy-Care or Tedi-care.

You need Republicans like a fish needs a pogo stick. To hell with bloated insurance company execs and their mega-buck bonuses and golden parachutes.

You have your single payer health care. Please honor the memory of Ted Kennedy, and pass "Teddy-Care" to grant the same right to the citizens of the United States of America.

Sincerely,

Harvey Rubens

Maybe we can use Ted Kennedy's passing to inspire our all too reluctant Congressional representatives to represent US, for a change.

Ah, the "infallible" logic. You can inspire *your* congressman to vote for your progressive agenda. I'm still writing to my congressman to represent me and not support government controlled health care.

You know why you need bi-partisan support on a bill of this magnitude? Because political tides always shift with time, and when Republicans gain 51% control you don't want them ramming all their revisions through on reconciliation.

Are you aware that insurance company executives earn but a drop in the bucket of the total cost of health care? The combined profits of the biggest 4 health care insurers in 2008 totaled a whopping 0.4% of the total cost of health care. Spend all your energy hating them, destroying them, and you're still not anywhere closer to making health care affordable. But you don't care about things like that, you just like the concept of big government "solving" all your problems? Or is it something else?

Sorry, but your logic is flawed. Therefore I do not support your efforts.

 

[Druidx]

I heard "Mother Against Drunk Driving" are getting together to pressure our all too reluctant Congressional representatives to represent US, for a change.
They suggested the bill be called "Don't be a Teddy"

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
So you want the same people who gave us the following to be 100% in charge of healthcare?

VA problems.
More botched cancer treatment cases at Philadelphia's VA hospital

Miami Man to Sue VA Hospital for HIV

Another VA Blunder: Patients Mistakenly Told They Had ALS

Soldiers Face Neglect, Frustration At Army's Top Medical Facility

Medicare problems
Medicare Money Problems Trigger Warning

Dozens arrested in Medicare fraud busts across US

Blatant Medicare fraud costs taxpayers billions"organized and lucrative schemes to bilk Medicare out of an estimated $60 billion dollars a year"

Education
SAT Scores Fall as Gap Widens; Asians Gain "Many observers Tuesday viewed the flat results of recent years as discouraging in light of a more than 25-year effort to improve U.S. education"

10 Facts About K-12 Education Funding-On a per-pupil basis and adjusted for inflation, public school funding increased: 24 percent from 1991-92 through 2001-02

Fraud, waste and overspending.
Big Dig's red ink engulfs state. Cost spirals to $22b; crushing debt sidetracks other work, pushes agency toward insolvency Will cost nearly 4 times its original estimate.

Cost overruns have military facing 'train wreck,' McCain says Cost of 95 major weapons systems have ballooned by 30 percent

Top 10 Examples of Government Waste I counted about $60 billion in waste per year.

Finally... look at the mess in Massachusetts
Mass. Health Care Reform Reveals Doctor Shortage
The Massachusetts Health Mess
Massachusetts Universal Health Care Cuts Facing a massive budget shortfall, lawmakers are cutting roughly 30 thousand legal, taxpaying immigrants out of the state subsidized Commonwealth Care program
Healthcare reform ? is Massachusetts proof that it can work, or proof that it doesn?t? Now a new study provides data that shows Massachusetts universal healthcare plan costs rose %40 since 2003, compared to the national average for the private sector which only rose 33% in the same period.

With our government's track record I am not very confident they can pull this off without totally screwing it up. If you don't believe me make a trip to the local DMV and see how long you have to wait in line.

last time i went to the dmv there was no line.

Which station? I need to get my license renewed soon.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
So you want the same people who gave us the following to be 100% in charge of healthcare?

look at the mess in Massachusetts
Mass. Health Care Reform Reveals Doctor Shortage
The Massachusetts Health Mess
Massachusetts Universal Health Care Cuts Facing a massive budget shortfall, lawmakers are cutting roughly 30 thousand legal, taxpaying immigrants out of the state subsidized Commonwealth Care program
Healthcare reform ? is Massachusetts proof that it can work, or proof that it doesn?t? Now a new study provides data that shows Massachusetts universal healthcare plan costs rose %40 since 2003, compared to the national average for the private sector which only rose 33% in the same period.

Nope definitely don't want Mitt Romney in charge of anything let alone helathcare.

 

[MotF Bane]

I think I should write my representatives encouraging them not to support this mess, particularly not on the behalf of a murderer. Of course, I'm short one representative...

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: OrByte

Originally posted by: loki8481
in the history of any country in the entire world, has passing laws in a hurry based on fake urgency and the headlines of the week been a good idea?

agreed

just look at the Patriot Act for one example.

Really don't recall or even to this day seeing any Quirks complaining about that POS their hero put in right after 9-11.

 

[SammyJr]

Originally posted by: fallout man
Harvey, I disagree.

The best thing that can be done is to wrap "socialist" single-payer government healthcare in the U.S. flag. The 'ol glory.

Let's call it "Patriot Care," or "Freedom Health Act," or even "The Towelheads Will Hate Us For Our Healthcare Freedom Act."

How 'bout it?

Completely agree. The Republicans have always been masters at wrapping their shit in the American flag and selling it like it was blessed by Jesus himself. The Democrats should have hired someone like Rove to market the Health Care bill and the idea of Single Payer. I'm sure the right dollar amount would convince him to write propaganda for the Democrats.

 

[QuantumPion]

So in memory of Ted Kennedy, whom received top-notch million-dollar private elite health care all his life, you want to pass a bill which would de facto make illegal such options to everyone else (but still available to the political elites, of course). Sounds about par for the course.

While we're at it, why don't we pass a bill banning private education and schools for everyone, because they are unfair to the poor that can't afford them. Of course, the political elites can still send THEIR kids to private schools, because they are important.

Oh wait, Obama already did that too when he canceled the DC school voucher program. Nevermind!

 

[waggy]

why the fuck would i want it passed because he died? fuck that.

pass it because its a good bill and deserves to be passed (honestly i don't think this bill is good or deserves to be passed. hopefully they get a good one done) not because some person died who supported it.

 

[Don66]

Teddy-Care:evil: Creepy:thumbsdown:

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: dali71
I think I just threw up in my mouth a little bit :disgust:

Sorry, but your insurer reports that's a pre-existing condition with you.



Oh, not the political puke you habitually carry around in your mouth, for that they have a 12 big chunk deductible. But your stupidity, it's definitely a pre-existing condition, apparently there's years and years of incontrovertible evidence for that.

Well it can be said that anyone that supports the Teddy-Care plan now is a dumb ass as well. Someone died so you should support this political ploy now. That's the problem with liberals. You think with emotions, not facts.
What in the world makes you think that some shmuk that won't work and is slinging crack to children should get free health care on mine or your dime. Because that's what's going to happen when "universal health care" is passed.
Fuck them. If they can't make it in the world then they don't make it. It's not my job or anyone elses job except their parents to pull their asses out of the mud and set them on the right track in life. It is definitely not the governments role to do that.

 

[StageLeft]

A law should stand or fall based on its merits, not in reverence of somebody who just died, are you kidding?

Really, in honor of a single person you want to have a law passed that will impact millions?

You don't realize how batsh*t crazy insane that is?

 

[Atreus21]

Dear Senator,

We all are sympathetic to the passing of Senator Kennedy. But the timing and nature of it are being exploited by those who would resurrect the push for Government-Option health care. I ask you not to be swayed by this emotional appeal, and continue your opposition to any such legislation.

Thank you,

...

Here's my version, sent to all my congressmen and senators.

Feel free to copy and paste, folks.

 

[Druidx]

Originally posted by: Harvey
I wrote mine:

Dear Senator,

In memory of Ted Kennedy, please pass a single payer health care bill. Name it Teddy-Care or Tedi-care.

You need Republicans like a fish needs a pogo stick. To hell with bloated insurance company execs and their mega-buck bonuses and golden parachutes.

You have your single payer health care. Please honor the memory of Ted Kennedy, and pass "Teddy-Care" to grant the same right to the citizens of the United States of America.

Sincerely,

Harvey Rubens

Maybe we can use Ted Kennedy's passing to inspire our all too reluctant Congressional representatives to represent US, for a change.

I wonder if they did a quick double take when they received it thinking it was signed by
Paul Rubens ( aka PeeWee Herman ), since it's obviously a joke.