Silly judge blocks California high school exit exam
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techs
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In reading the article this caught my eye:
Valenzuela vs. California, was named for its lead plaintiff, Liliana Valenzuela, who, like Iris Padilla, is a Richmond High senior. According to the suit, Liliana maintains a 3.84 grade-point average and is 12th in her senior class of 413 students. She has passed the math portion of the exam, but not the English portion. Her first language is Spanish.
So Liliana has a 3.84 gpa and is 12th best out of her 413 student class. Her suit alleges that California did not provide teachers with proper credentials to teach her English and that her classes were overcrowded.
Who failed here?
The State of California. Not this apparently very bright and hard working young lady.
Valenzuela vs. California, was named for its lead plaintiff, Liliana Valenzuela, who, like Iris Padilla, is a Richmond High senior. According to the suit, Liliana maintains a 3.84 grade-point average and is 12th in her senior class of 413 students. She has passed the math portion of the exam, but not the English portion. Her first language is Spanish.
So Liliana has a 3.84 gpa and is 12th best out of her 413 student class. Her suit alleges that California did not provide teachers with proper credentials to teach her English and that her classes were overcrowded.
Who failed here?
The State of California. Not this apparently very bright and hard working young lady.
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Another problem is that the students choose not immerse themselves in English.
Relying on translators for learning is showing to be a handicap.
Bi-lingual education becomes a crutch instead of a helping hand.
People that choose to LEARN in English to advance can do so inside a years time.
People that choose to hear English will not advance.
Fault lies on the person and family unit for not taking their environment seriously.
With a 3+ gpa, the student is able to understand the rules, she choose to not to obey, looking iinstead for an excuse.
Relying on translators for learning is showing to be a handicap.
Bi-lingual education becomes a crutch instead of a helping hand.
People that choose to LEARN in English to advance can do so inside a years time.
People that choose to hear English will not advance.
Fault lies on the person and family unit for not taking their environment seriously.
With a 3+ gpa, the student is able to understand the rules, she choose to not to obey, looking iinstead for an excuse.
BoomerD
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Living in Kahleeforneeya's central valley, I see the problem every day. The hispanic kids may have to learn english in school, but revert to spanish with their friends and family.
I grew up in a very Italian neighborhood in Mass. during the 50's and 60's, with LOTS of Italian immigrants, and english was a must. The immigrants I knew, (usually grandparents of my friends) prided themselves on learning to speak english, and it was a requirement in their households.
I grew up in a very Italian neighborhood in Mass. during the 50's and 60's, with LOTS of Italian immigrants, and english was a must. The immigrants I knew, (usually grandparents of my friends) prided themselves on learning to speak english, and it was a requirement in their households.
I agree. She obviously has the ability to pass the exam if English was her first language. I will tell you first hand my HS foreign language teachers really sucked and you really did not learn anything at all. I was a 4.0+ student and I was getting D's on the standardized finals because of the teachers. The book we used did not even have ½ the material that we were being tested on as well.
That's because they do want to learn English.
They want Spanish to be the Official language of the Mexico Norte
glenn1
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Well, I think there's an easy solution to this - two tiered diplomas. If you pass the exit exam you get a normal diploma, if not then you get a "certificate of completion" and sent on your merry way. Let colleges and employers sort out who they're interested in after looking at which piece of paper the person has.
Wrong, wrong, wrong. She failed. Stop being a sycophant and making excuses for poor performance. I'd only say she wasn't blameworthy if after failing the test she took whatever remedial steps she needed to re-take and pass it. Instead she sued to have herself exempted from the standards. Hopefully no college accepts her (that is, if they want to maintain their standards and academic integrity).
Personally, I could care less because I know the educational establishment is more concerned about protecting their own than results so fvck them and anyone else who isn't willing to hold them accountable.
Wrong, wrong, wrong. She failed. Stop being a sycophant and making excuses for poor performance. I'd only say she wasn't blameworthy if after failing the test she took whatever remedial steps she needed to re-take and pass it. Instead she sued to have herself exempted from the standards. Hopefully no college accepts her (that is, if they want to maintain their standards and academic integrity).
Personally, I could care less because I know the educational establishment is more concerned about protecting their own than results so fvck them and anyone else who isn't willing to hold them accountable.
Someone must have lined your hat with Tin Foil.
Who are you and what did you do with the real Zendari?
This is the real me. The plaintiff is scum. The judge is worse for eating it.
If people want to come into our country, they learn our language. But of course this is the feelgood type of liberals in Cali we are talking about.
Very good except you forget very important fact.
These kids were born here so they are American citizens that DO NOT want to learn English.
That's even worse than the immigrants who come here and refuse to do so. I guess it's a relief that she will be a failure in life despite this wacko judge.
techs
Lifer
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Myth: Spanish speaking immigrants don't learn the English language.
Truth: All studies indicate that Spanish speaking immigrants learn English only SLIGHTY slower than other immigrant groups did.
Reason: Far more media exist in Spanish than did years ago. Spanish speakers can now get news, weather, etc in their native language which mitigates the NEED to learn English as quickly and fully as previous immigrant groups. From this a conclusion may be drawn that Spanish speakers have no less personal motivaton to learn English than previous groups but do not have the necessity to learn English as quickly.
Truth: All studies indicate that Spanish speaking immigrants learn English only SLIGHTY slower than other immigrant groups did.
Reason: Far more media exist in Spanish than did years ago. Spanish speakers can now get news, weather, etc in their native language which mitigates the NEED to learn English as quickly and fully as previous immigrant groups. From this a conclusion may be drawn that Spanish speakers have no less personal motivaton to learn English than previous groups but do not have the necessity to learn English as quickly.
8th grade math, ORLY? last time I checked it was geometry which is 10th grade math..
Here is my opinion on the HS Exit exam...
If you can pass the exam, one should be able to get a diploma right there and then if they so choose. It shouldn't be a 'ged' but a real HS diploma, I mean hell if this is the one test holding some one back from graduating and is a tool to guage your education level, then why bother with the 'credits' system? Why should someone need a certain amount of credits to graduate highschool if they passed the HS exit exam?
Years ago, when it became appearent that high schools were handing out diplomas to just about everybody, the diplomas became worthless. The tests were designed to put that value back. They were a guage that told employers that the student had met certain minimum requiirements, and possesed at least basic skills in certain subjects. Discarding the exit or proficiency tests will only make the diplomas worthless again.
The student knew the requirements for a diploma, and did not acheive them. Sorry, but not the sign of a good student or a potential employee.
The student knew the requirements for a diploma, and did not acheive them. Sorry, but not the sign of a good student or a potential employee.
BoomerD
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Far too many colleges have to teach remedial reading and math to their students who have "graduated" from high school to get them to a point where they have a chance. That's sad. THAT has nothing to do with race nor national origin, just laziness on the part of the students, and the willingness of schools to give students a "social promotion" wherein they pass a failing student to keep them from being ridiculed for flunking and having to re-take a grade. Worrying more about a kid's "self-esteem" than his/her actual education is not serving the country well. The threat of actually being "held-back" used to be a pretty good incentive to at least get D's...
Here's some info on the exit exams here:
http://www.cde.ca.gov/ta/tg/hs/documents/infoparents05.pdf
http://www.edsource.org/pdf/QA_hseefinal.pdf
"The exam has two sections: English language arts (ELA)
and mathematics. In the ELA section, students are tested
on material up through the state?s 10th grade standards."
"In the mathematics section, students are given multiplechoice
questions on material that is covered through Algebra
I. (California encourages schools to offer Algebra I in
8th grade, and it is a high school graduation requirement.)"
Here's some info on the exit exams here:
http://www.cde.ca.gov/ta/tg/hs/documents/infoparents05.pdf
http://www.edsource.org/pdf/QA_hseefinal.pdf
"The exam has two sections: English language arts (ELA)
and mathematics. In the ELA section, students are tested
on material up through the state?s 10th grade standards."
"In the mathematics section, students are given multiplechoice
questions on material that is covered through Algebra
I. (California encourages schools to offer Algebra I in
8th grade, and it is a high school graduation requirement.)"
Shuxclams
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Bad judgement, but then so was enacting no child left behind and then not funding it....... I am sure it will be overturned, it is unfourtunate for those kids who are in rural or inner city schools, but I guess this will bring more attention to it.
SHUX
SHUX
This is really not the result of massive immigration. If you look at the Russian immigration, for example (and there are about 800'000-1'000'000 people who came from the former USSR in New York City... mostly of Jewish descent, but about 30-40% of all others), has shown that a large wave of immigration can not only accept the language and culture of the host country, but also succeed far beyond what anti-immigration advocates are comfortable with (average income is $45'000, which is $9000 higher than the overall NYC average).
It's that kind of presumptive and disrespectful arrogance that paints a bad picture of all immigrants, including us... the legal ones.
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