"Sikh student detained by Secret Service"

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kami333

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Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: BigJ
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: BigJ
Unfortunately, it's going to happen. Would you rather them do this, or have them be completely lax?

And as stereotypical as it sounds, how many "white" "hispanic" or "black" people are were there on the planes, or are portrayed as terrorists? That is why people of South Asian and Middle Eastern backgrounds are questioned. I'm not saying I agree with this practice at all, but it's going to happen.

Glad that the college is behind him though, an apology wouldn't hurt, but isn't necessary IMHO.

EDIT: Btw, this is more then likely going to get moved into the sewer known as P&N.

The Dirty Bomber (Padilla) was Hispanic
The Shoe Bomber (Reed?) was Black

Yea but who is the media portraying as the terrorists 99% of the time?

I get your point, but shouldn't the Secret Service be relying on real information instead of the media?

No, since the point of most of these "security" measures is to just make it seem like they are doing something effective to the masses.
 

Isshinryu

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Originally posted by: Gooberlx2
Originally posted by: Isshinryu
Oh wah. He was interrogated and released. Big fecking deal. He isn't a natural born American, dresses like the people who want all Americans dead, and was taking pictures during the DNC. Like it or not, those are good reasons for questioning.


Maybe it's just me....but if I'm a tourist (though he was a student) who's payed thousands of dollars to visit a place where the DNC just happens to be (because I'm a tourist from somewhere else and I'll be damned if I'm gonna pay attention to the convention schedules of various political parties) and I get detained for 5 hours (which enough to say miss a show/plane/train/event/dinner, etc...)...I WANT SOME MONEY BACK!!!
...and an apology.

If you choose to dress in such a manner that you may be deamed a "suspicious character" and partake in activities which may be deamed "suspicious behavior," deal with the bloody consequences and stop bitching.
 

ABitTooSpicy

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My last post on this topic:

I like my safety as much as the next guy, but I just feel sometimes the gov't goes overboard and they just aren't trained to handle these situations... They need to start learning more about who they are up against and figure out ways to protect the people they are trying to protect without harrassing innocent bystanders...

Thats my 2 cents and I'm sticking to it.
 

Lenine

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Maybe if they are detaining people due to racial profiling they should be trained to tell them apart?
 

Gooberlx2

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Originally posted by: Isshinryu
Originally posted by: Gooberlx2
Originally posted by: Isshinryu
Oh wah. He was interrogated and released. Big fecking deal. He isn't a natural born American, dresses like the people who want all Americans dead, and was taking pictures during the DNC. Like it or not, those are good reasons for questioning.


Maybe it's just me....but if I'm a tourist (though he was a student) who's payed thousands of dollars to visit a place where the DNC just happens to be (because I'm a tourist from somewhere else and I'll be damned if I'm gonna pay attention to the convention schedules of various political parties) and I get detained for 5 hours (which enough to say miss a show/plane/train/event/dinner, etc...)...I WANT SOME MONEY BACK!!!
...and an apology.

If you choose to dress in such a manner that you may be deamed a "suspicious character" and partake in activities which may be deamed "suspicious behavior," deal with the bloody consequences and stop bitching.

I hope you can say that when it happens to you (though it probably won't) and your friends...and on a fairly constant basis for the latter. And besides, routine polite questioning I might understand, but 5 hours of detainment...with no apology? No way.

I'm sure I'm a bit more bitter about this than normal (bad mood all day), but reading this and then thinking about my friend's plight doesn't help....and I think my position is valid.
 

isekii

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Originally posted by: ABitTooSpicy
My last post on this topic:

I like my safety as much as the next guy, but I just feel sometimes the gov't goes overboard and they just aren't trained to handle these situations... They need to start learning more about who they are up against and figure out ways to protect the people they are trying to protect without harrassing innocent bystanders...

Thats my 2 cents and I'm sticking to it.

How is detaining a suspicious suspect going overboard ?
I'm glad he/she got detained. It tells you that they are atleast doing something for the safety of the american people.
 

Wahsapa

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Originally posted by: Isshinryu
Oh wah. He was interrogated and released. Big fecking deal. He isn't a natural born American, dresses like the people who want all Americans dead, and was taking pictures during the DNC. Like it or not, those are good reasons for questioning.

ohhohoooo... "dresses like the people who want all americans dead"? who are these people? and he certainly wasnt dressed in muslim attire, not like any muslim terrorist in america would be dumb enough to not dress like a 'regular joe'.

he was taking pictures of the campus(HIS CAMPUS) not the DNC.

they didnt even appolgize. the SS just wanted to abuse power. plain and simple.

even if hes not 'natural born' american he can still dress the way he wants(even with accordance to his religion). no, his rights and freedoms were violated by the us government.
 

isekii

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Originally posted by: Wahsapa
Originally posted by: Isshinryu
Oh wah. He was interrogated and released. Big fecking deal. He isn't a natural born American, dresses like the people who want all Americans dead, and was taking pictures during the DNC. Like it or not, those are good reasons for questioning.

ohhohoooo... "dresses like the people who want all americans dead"? who are these people? and he certainly wasnt dressed in muslim attire, not like any muslim terrorist in america would be dumb enough to not dress like a 'regular joe'.

he was taking pictures of the campus(HIS CAMPUS) not the DNC.

they didnt even appolgize. the SS just wanted to abuse power. plain and simple.

even if hes not 'natural born' american he can still dress the way he wants(even with accordance to his religion). no, his rights and freedoms were violated by the us government.

Who cares where he was taking pictures.
The Campus is where a lot of students are gathered. Looks like a perfect spot to set off a bomb to me.
 

CanOWorms

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I was once questioned at an airport because I had bomb-making chemicals on my items. I guess there's a file about me somewhere.
 

mchammer187

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Originally posted by: isekii
Originally posted by: Wahsapa
Originally posted by: Isshinryu
Oh wah. He was interrogated and released. Big fecking deal. He isn't a natural born American, dresses like the people who want all Americans dead, and was taking pictures during the DNC. Like it or not, those are good reasons for questioning.

ohhohoooo... "dresses like the people who want all americans dead"? who are these people? and he certainly wasnt dressed in muslim attire, not like any muslim terrorist in america would be dumb enough to not dress like a 'regular joe'.

he was taking pictures of the campus(HIS CAMPUS) not the DNC.

they didnt even appolgize. the SS just wanted to abuse power. plain and simple.

even if hes not 'natural born' american he can still dress the way he wants(even with accordance to his religion). no, his rights and freedoms were violated by the us government.

Who cares where he was taking pictures.
The Campus is where a lot of students are gathered. Looks like a perfect spot to set off a bomb to me.
they could easily question him politiely and if they had to take him into custody im sure the secret service could have easily confirmed his identity and the fact that he posed no threat rather quickly rather than interrogate him for 5 hours
 

Gooberlx2

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Originally posted by: isekii
Originally posted by: ABitTooSpicy
My last post on this topic:

I like my safety as much as the next guy, but I just feel sometimes the gov't goes overboard and they just aren't trained to handle these situations... They need to start learning more about who they are up against and figure out ways to protect the people they are trying to protect without harrassing innocent bystanders...

Thats my 2 cents and I'm sticking to it.

How is detaining a suspicious suspect going overboard ?
I'm glad he/she got detained. It tells you that they are atleast doing something for the safety of the american people.


No it doesn't. If I'm a terrorist I'm gonna try and blend in. I'm gonna shave, shower and wear the same clothes as everyone else in this country. All this tells me is that the gov't wants security forces to "do something" to make it look like they're "doing something"....and this failure is the best they could come up with. Meanwhile so many unfortunate and innocent folks have to be subjected to this crap everyday.
 

Isshinryu

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Originally posted by: Gooberlx2
I hope you can say that when it happens to you (though it probably won't) and your friends...and on a fairly constant basis for the latter. And besides, routine polite questioning I might understand, but 5 hours of detainment...with no apology? No way.

I'm sure I'm a bit more bitter about this than normal (bad mood all day), but reading this and then thinking about my friend's plight doesn't help....and I think my position is valid.

Please read up on the orange v. green (protestant v. catholic) clashes, plus the Brittish occupation in Belfast (between 1990-2001) and get back to me.

I still find no reason to whine about being detained, and find my position equally valid. Agree to disagree. :)
 

isekii

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The whole point of questioning and holding someone for a long period of time is more psychological imo.

If questioning was in and out, who wouldn't give some bs answer and be on their merry way ?
 

desiplaya4life

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and not even apologizing? what kind of fuc king thing is that? arrogant bit chesss this makes me so mad right now:|
 

Wahsapa

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Originally posted by: isekii
Originally posted by: Wahsapa
Originally posted by: Isshinryu
Oh wah. He was interrogated and released. Big fecking deal. He isn't a natural born American, dresses like the people who want all Americans dead, and was taking pictures during the DNC. Like it or not, those are good reasons for questioning.

ohhohoooo... "dresses like the people who want all americans dead"? who are these people? and he certainly wasnt dressed in muslim attire, not like any muslim terrorist in america would be dumb enough to not dress like a 'regular joe'.

he was taking pictures of the campus(HIS CAMPUS) not the DNC.

they didnt even appolgize. the SS just wanted to abuse power. plain and simple.

even if hes not 'natural born' american he can still dress the way he wants(even with accordance to his religion). no, his rights and freedoms were violated by the us government.

Who cares where he was taking pictures.
The Campus is where a lot of students are gathered. Looks like a perfect spot to set off a bomb to me.

who cares? the SS and only because they were boarded up at the campus, if they werent spending the night there they wouldnt have done anything. thats why it matters, if the SS wasnt there nobody would have done anything, because they werent doing anything harmful to begin with.

there are far more better targets to set off bombs, a campus is not one of them, this campus was not one of them.
 

Gooberlx2

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Originally posted by: desiplaya4life
Originally posted by: isekii
They're just taking precautions.

uhh yea and making racist comments? sureee thats more than just taking precautions... i hope he files charges


In relation to my friend: I've had this argument with him. He's just not the kind of person to file charges for this because: a) He's very laid back/pacifistic (if that's a word). He doesn't like getting people in trouble/or have them lose their jobs, even if they deserve it. And b) From his view, it's a hassle that won't solve anything. He could file charges all day, 'till he's blue in the face and it'll still continue to happen with different people/places.

Beats me....I think there's a point at which he needs to do something, but that's his call. I'm glad that student called up his sikh society and school.
 

datalink7

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Originally posted by: SilentZero
Originally posted by: isekii
Originally posted by: ABitTooSpicy
Originally posted by: isekii
They're just taking precautions.

OMG... are you serious?!... dude its VERY easy to tell a sikh person apart from a muslim person... if they are going to racially profile atleast they should know how to tell the race apart from other races...

Hey I see muslims, indians, beloved patriot's and several other middle eastern decent people every day and I can't tell who's who.
Obviously you can tell since you're of middle eastern decent.

Agreed.

sikh

muslim

Now you seriously can't tell the difference between the head dresses?
 

silverpig

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Originally posted by: ABitTooSpicy
Originally posted by: isekii
They're just taking precautions.

OMG... are you serious?!... dude its VERY easy to tell a sikh person apart from a muslim person... if they are going to racially profile atleast they should know how to tell the race apart from other races...

Sikh and muslim are religions. You can have white sikhs (and they DO exist, I have seen them), and sikhs come in varying degrees of how they dress. It can become very hard very quickly.
 

isekii

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Originally posted by: datalink7
Originally posted by: SilentZero
Originally posted by: isekii
Originally posted by: ABitTooSpicy
Originally posted by: isekii
They're just taking precautions.

OMG... are you serious?!... dude its VERY easy to tell a sikh person apart from a muslim person... if they are going to racially profile atleast they should know how to tell the race apart from other races...

Hey I see muslims, indians, beloved patriot's and several other middle eastern decent people every day and I can't tell who's who.
Obviously you can tell since you're of middle eastern decent.

Agreed.

sikh

muslim

Now you seriously can't tell the difference between the head dresses?

man how the hell am I suppose to know where they're from by the head dress.
If you ask an average american to identify where the person is from by the headdress, they'll have no clue.
 

silverpig

Lifer
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Originally posted by: datalink7
Originally posted by: SilentZero
Originally posted by: isekii
Originally posted by: ABitTooSpicy
Originally posted by: isekii
They're just taking precautions.

OMG... are you serious?!... dude its VERY easy to tell a sikh person apart from a muslim person... if they are going to racially profile atleast they should know how to tell the race apart from other races...

Hey I see muslims, indians, beloved patriot's and several other middle eastern decent people every day and I can't tell who's who.
Obviously you can tell since you're of middle eastern decent.

Agreed.

sikh

muslim

Now you seriously can't tell the difference between the head dresses?

Sikhs have like 6 different ways of wrapping their turbans you know... some of them look similar to muslim headwear.