Sign of the Beast

[Leymenaide]

FT reports today that:
UK companies look to make Covid-19 vaccinations mandatory.

Do you think this can happen in the US or Canada?

 

[fskimospy]

FT reports today that:
UK companies look to make Covid-19 vaccinations mandatory.

Do you think this can happen in the US or Canada?

Sure, why not? Is the idea that Americans have a right to infect their coworkers with a deadly respiratory virus? Don’t like it? Find a new job at a company that doesn’t believe in science.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

OP don’t you have something more important to talk about on Facebook or Parler? You should go there and spread the word.

I have no time for anti vax folks
Also please provide info on the mark of the beast coming from vaccination.

 

[BlueWeasel]

Also please provide info on the mark of the beast coming from vaccination.

The "mark" changes weekly. Who can keep up?

 

[MtnMan]

I love how people base their anti-vax beliefs on the lack of knowledge of ancient goat herders who thought that illness was caused by demons, of their failure to worship a deity. Be smarter than a long dead goat herder.

 

[desy]

I remember as a kid looking at my dad's smallpox vax scars, he had 3 and I only had one so asked him why. He said as an immigrant it was mandatory, X2 for some reason, even though he had one already from his home country.

 

[herm0016]

my least libertarian view: I hope it is mandatory, I say make it mandatory if you want to: have your kids in public school, receive any government assistance for anything, get a government backed home loan, receive tax incentives on retirement accounts or SS.

 

[Jaskalas]

Sure, why not? Is the idea that Americans have a right to infect their coworkers with a deadly respiratory virus? Don’t like it? Find a new job at a company that doesn’t believe in science.

I believe I have heard their complaints already. Chief among them being "my body my choice".

 

[Pohemi]

I believe I have heard their complaints already. Chief among them being "my body my choice".

That's the furthest stretch to #whataboutism I've seen.

Someone having an abortion (or not) isn't going to infect their coworker with a potentially deadly virus.

Not even near the same field, fucko.

 

[brycejones]

FT reports today that:
UK companies look to make Covid-19 vaccinations mandatory.

Do you think this can happen in the US or Canada?

Good, I'm disappointed where I work isn't going that route.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

my least libertarian view: I hope it is mandatory, I say make it mandatory if you want to: have your kids in public school, receive any government assistance for anything, get a government backed home loan, receive tax incentives on retirement accounts or SS.

it can be, to my admittedly amateur knowledge employers can ask to see vaccination cards. This dates back to small pox days.
I know states (not sure how many) allow proof of vaccination as a job requirement. Again dates back to small pox days.

 

[pauldun170]

I remember as a kid looking at my dad's smallpox vax scars, he had 3 and I only had one so asked him why. He said as an immigrant it was mandatory, X2 for some reason, even though he had one already from his home country.

Anti-vaxxers and the libertarian jackasses that share genetic defects with them are moronic cowards enabled by the internet into thinking they deserve to be heard.

That scar also helps me identify those who are immigrants and who is older than I am at parties.

There is, of course, a sphere within which the individual may assert the supremacy of his own will and rightfully dispute the authority of any human government, especially of any free government existing under a written constitution. But it is equally true that in every well-ordered society charged with the duty of conserving the safety of its members the rights of the individual in respect of his liberty may at times, under the pressure of great dangers, be subjected to such restraint, to be enforced by reasonable regulations, as the safety of the general public may demand

Jacobson v. Massachusetts

 

[fskimospy]

I believe I have heard their complaints already. Chief among them being "my body my choice".

I agree it's their body and their choice, but it's also their employer's money and their choice. No one is forcing them to get vaccinated, but their employer is making a reasonable requirement as terms of their continued employment.

 

[herm0016]

Anti-vaxxers and the libertarian jackasses that share genetic defects with them are moronic cowards enabled by the internet into thinking they deserve to be heard.

It's funny, the least vaccinated places in the country can not be described as "libertarian" but are places like Portland and the county I live in, Boulder CO

 

[woolfe9998]

It's funny, the least vaccinated places in the country can not be described as "libertarian" but are places like Portland and the county I live in, Boulder CO

Really? I hadn't heard that. Checked it out and this is what I found.

Huddle

We serve you because you serve others

www.florence-health.com

In virtually every category of vaccination, the top 5 least vaccinated states were red states with the occasional purple state thrown in. Neither Oregon nor Colorado are on any of them.

Dunno about cities like Portland or Boulder in particular, but the overall national trend holds to expectations.

 

[herm0016]

overall rates maybe, be we are the lowest in the country for kids, which is more of a metric of current populations opinions on the subject.

For years, Colorado has ranked among the lowest in the nation for the vaccination rates of kindergarteners.

Last school year, the rate of measles vaccination for Colorado kindergartners was around 87%, two full percentage points below the second-lowest state,

Colorado’s struggle to improve school vaccination rates shows the challenges ahead for a coronavirus vaccine

When Dr. Jessica Cataldi, a professor of pediatrics at the University of Colorado School of Medicine and a practicing pediatrician at Children’s Hospital Colorado, was doing infectious disease work in Africa years ago, she noticed a difference in how many parents there thought about vaccines...

coloradosun.com

I can see a state like Wyoming having a low overall rate, as the population has significant hurdle's to healthcare that many states do not face, like having to travel a long distance to obtain health care. they also have an ageing population. Their kid rates are around the national avg. though.

people in the front range, where rates are lowest in CO are generally rich, white, and have what I think is some of the best access to healthcare in the country.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

It's funny, the least vaccinated places in the country can not be described as "libertarian" but are places like Portland and the county I live in, Boulder CO

Yeah, Republican States are really good at vaccinating people.

 

[herm0016]

Yeah, Republican States are really good at vaccinating people.

never mentioned the government. has nothing to do with it. people's opinions are the cause. see my post with stats above.

 

[woolfe9998]

never mentioned the government. has nothing to do with it. people's opinions are the cause. see my post with stats above.

Yes, attitudes drive it more than anything. Like these attitudes:

27% unlikely to be vaccinated against the coronavirus; Republicans, conservatives especially: POLL

Distrust of vaccines is main reason for 50% of those who wouldn't get one, a new ABC News/Washington Post poll found.

abcnews.go.com

That is for COVID. Here is some research regarding the effect of ideology on vaccination belief in general:

The influence of political ideology and trust on willingness to vaccinate - PMC

In light of the increasing refusal of some parents to vaccinate children, public health strategies have focused on increasing knowledge and awareness based on a “knowledge-deficit” approach. However, decisions about vaccination are based on more ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Our findings demonstrate that ideology has a direct effect on vaccine attitudes. In particular, conservative respondents are less likely to express pro-vaccination beliefs than other individuals. Furthermore, ideology also has an indirect effect on immunization propensity. The ideology variable predicts an indicator capturing trust in government medical experts, which in turn helps to explain individual-level variation with regards to attitudes about vaccine choice.

 

[Viper1j]

FT reports today that:
UK companies look to make Covid-19 vaccinations mandatory.

Do you think this can happen in the US or Canada?

The schools do it. They require that the kids be vaccinated otherwise they can't attend classes.

 

[Muse]

FT reports today that:
UK companies look to make Covid-19 vaccinations mandatory.

Do you think this can happen in the US or Canada?

If things get serious enough, but that's no given at all ATM. Wouldn't bother me, though. My 2nd shot is scheduled in 15 days. And personally, I'd feel safer if everyone was required to be vaccinated.

 

[Moonbeam]

I love how people base their anti-vax beliefs on the lack of knowledge of ancient goat herders who thought that illness was caused by demons, of their failure to worship a deity. Be smarter than a long dead goat herder.

Actually, I think it was goat herders, that is to say people who were nobodies, who had no sense they were destined for anything special who were more likely than most living today to to gaze up at the stars at night and become suddenly aware that their awareness and the awareness of the universe was one and the same thing, that the love of all and everything is the joy of being. Could it be that the smarter you are or think you are, then, is really the more you have to unlearn before you can see?

 

[BonzaiDuck]

I'm the only one of three seniors -- me at 73, Bro at 65 and Moms at 95 -- to leave the house and expose myself to others on a regular basis. Bro can't stand on both legs more than a half hour at a time, and Moms is beginning to be bed-bound. She DID walk to the bathroom the other day, however, and left a very healthy looking deposit. We have those low GPF toilets. Moms' turds come out as hard as baseballs -- you could kill someone with one by exercising your pitching arm. I have to monitor the terlit daily to make sure one of those baseballs hasn't plugged it up again. I'm giving her Metamucil or Citracel now every morning. But I digress . . .

So it's just me -- for the grocery runs and bank business and everything else, when we're not ordering from Amazon or using Insta-Cart. All year, I was anxious about the development of a vaccine or the rank-order of different groups of people who would get a shot first.

My contact down at CVS tells me she'll let me know when I can get my first shot. Bro is probably second priority for the household, since he may leave the house once or twice a month, and you'd figure Moms should be first priority, but her doctor tells me there is a risk to giving the vaccine to the very elderly, as the side-effects can push pre-existing conditions over the edge. She said to wait on Moms, and take the same precautions we've followed all along, so Moms risk remains the same for the time being.

I want this misery to be over. The looney Base is always blaming China for it, but we know better. There is one person whose negligence led to this epidemic. He needs to get 99 years in the electric chair. I know that Mary Trump suggested a possibility of "mass-negligent-homicide" charges, but law is not her field of expertise.

 

[hal2kilo]

Yes, attitudes drive it more than anything. Like these attitudes:

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27% unlikely to be vaccinated against the coronavirus; Republicans, conservatives especially: POLL

Distrust of vaccines is main reason for 50% of those who wouldn't get one, a new ABC News/Washington Post poll found.

abcnews.go.com

That is for COVID. Here is some research regarding the effect of ideology on vaccination belief in general:

The influence of political ideology and trust on willingness to vaccinate - PMC

In light of the increasing refusal of some parents to vaccinate children, public health strategies have focused on increasing knowledge and awareness based on a “knowledge-deficit” approach. However, decisions about vaccination are based on more ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Want to make a bet that at least 60% of people who profess to not wanting the vaccine would line right up if you offered them $100. Remember Frank Zappa said "you can get most anybody to do anything for $50 bucks".

 

[Jaskalas]

Someone having an abortion (or not) isn't going to infect their coworker with a potentially deadly virus.

No, it's just going to kill a child.