*Sigh* This is why you don't touch other people's stuff...

[altonb1]

Originally posted by: irishScott

Unfortunately, it's impossible to generalize. In the scenario you posted, yes it would be morally right; and given that retards far outnumber decent intelligent people, if one were to design a flat universal law then yes you'd be right.

Depends on the individual situation. Granted, no one knows me on this forum. Suffice to say I fail to see how any moral or technical "good" could come out of her randomizing my stuff. All it's done so far is cost me considerable time and effort for no real reason, as it has several times in the last few months. Not to mention delaying the very process she was hounding me to expedite.

And that's where we differ.

In any case, this thread has (due in large part to my own posts) has mutated from a rant into a philosophical debate. Not that I mind, just went a little further than I'd expected.

In the scenario I posted, the intentions were just to clean the room, though. The outcome was that illegal narcotics were found. That is a secondary by-product--not the intent. So if your mom organizes your stuff (ie. clean your room), she is morally wrong. If she were to organzie your stuff and in the process find drugs, then she is morally right?

You fail to see how randomizing your stuff is beneficial, but I would argue that she is not seeing it as "randominzing" your stuff as much as she believes she is cleaning up your messy shit. If she is just going through and moving things to be mean and vindictive we would be having a different discussion. I do not believe that is her intent. Unfortunately, this whole argument has been about how YOU have been inconvenienced and "blah blah blah...poor me...blah blah...it is so unfair...blah blah blah."

And calling people retards..well, it just helps prove the point that you need to grow up. If you can't discuss this intelligently and have to resort to name-calling in an attempt to "win" your argument, I'm sure you haven't tried to have a calm, rational discussion with your mom, either.

 

[irishScott]

Originally posted by: altonb1

Originally posted by: irishScott

Unfortunately, it's impossible to generalize. In the scenario you posted, yes it would be morally right; and given that retards far outnumber decent intelligent people, if one were to design a flat universal law then yes you'd be right.

Depends on the individual situation. Granted, no one knows me on this forum. Suffice to say I fail to see how any moral or technical "good" could come out of her randomizing my stuff. All it's done so far is cost me considerable time and effort for no real reason, as it has several times in the last few months. Not to mention delaying the very process she was hounding me to expedite.

And that's where we differ.

In any case, this thread has (due in large part to my own posts) has mutated from a rant into a philosophical debate. Not that I mind, just went a little further than I'd expected.

In the scenario I posted, the intentions were just to clean the room, though. The outcome was that illegal narcotics were found. That is a secondary by-product--not the intent. So if your mom organizes your stuff (ie. clean your room), she is morally wrong. If she were to organzie your stuff and in the process find drugs, then she is morally right?

You fail to see how randomizing your stuff is beneficial, but I would argue that she is not seeing it as "randominzing" your stuff as much as she believes she is cleaning up your messy shit. If she is just going through and moving things to be mean and vindictive we would be having a different discussion. I do not believe that is her intent. Unfortunately, this whole argument has been about how YOU have been inconvenienced and "blah blah blah...poor me...blah blah...it is so unfair...blah blah blah."

And calling people retards..well, it just helps prove the point that you need to grow up. If you can't discuss this intelligently and have to resort to name-calling in an attempt to "win" your argument, I'm sure you haven't tried to have a calm, rational discussion with your mom, either.

Yes, as I said. However, it is impossible in this case as I have never done drugs of any nature in my life, and never will if I can help it. I tried thinking of other analogous scenarios that could result in a positive effect, and I got nothing.

Actually, I've tried several of those. Her lack of rational response was one of the key things that produced the frustration that spawned this thread. Also, most people are relatively unintelligent, which is only slightly nicer than calling them retards.

Also, regardless of her intentions, the end-result is what matters. That, and she has no association with any of said papers. Thus... screw it. I've already posted my reasoning, I'm not getting anything more out of this, and it's obvious I'm not changing anyone's mind either way here, so this rant-turned debate is now pointless. Like I said, I never intended for the thread to go this far anyway. Thanks for your time. It was actually somewhat enlightening. Seriously.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: irishScott
Yes, as I said. However, it is impossible in this case as I have never done drugs of any nature in my life, and never will if I can help it. I tried thinking of other analogous scenarios that could result in a positive effect, and I got nothing.

Actually, I've tried several of those. Her lack of rational response was one of the key things that produced the frustration that spawned this thread. Also, most people are relatively unintelligent, which is only slightly nicer than calling them retards.

Also, regardless of her intentions, the end-result is what matters. That, and she has no association with any of said papers. Thus... screw it. I've already posted my reasoning, I'm not getting anything more out of this, and it's obvious I'm not changing anyone's mind either way here, so this rant-turned debate is now pointless. Like I said, I never intended for the thread to go this far anyway. Thanks for your time. It was actually somewhat enlightening. Seriously.

It's not pointless. This is your call to action to become an adult. That is the end result - you becoming a man. Or at least realizing what it takes.

Until you can provide for yourself you are a child.

-edit-
once you leave the nest you'll understand.

 

[oiprocs]

I feel for ya OP. I live at home too, after spending the first three years at college. School is only 45 minutes away, and it's in a pricey neighborhood, so it makes no sense to me to pay above average rent prices if I can live farther away without rent. I could go farther out and get cheaper places ~20 mins away, but then I again don't see the point of dishing out rent money when I could just drive another 25 mins.

Anyways, my parents are pretty strict too, but they leave my room alone. I think you should be content that all they want you to do is clean up your room. My room is tidy as hell all the time, so I never get any crap for that, but my dad still applies 15 year old kiddie rules on me, even though I'm 21. There is no staying out late (10PM), there is no bringing people over, nothing like that. It definitely limits freedom, and at times I get so pent up that I want to pack up my stuff right at that instant, but I know the alternative is not worth it. I'm already 60K in debt from wasting my first 3 years, so I don't want to add anymore on top of that. What will that take? Sucking it up and dealing with the rules of this house. Free rent, free food, free chores (my mom loves all her children too much ), free utilities; that's more than enough for me to stick around.

Honestly, I can see where you get upset, and I would too. I never tell anyone to organize their stuff, because most of the time, a messy room is not messy to the person who lives in it. For some reason, they can tell where everything is, just like my room is clean as hell, but I also know where everything is. Just get the cabinet, it'll make life easier for you anyways, and remind yourself that the rules your parents have are insignificant compared to the money you can save to buy luxury items.

 

[Finalnight]

how much rent do you pay op?

 

[Ruptga]

Originally posted by: Eeezee
--snip--
You MUST realize that most Americans don't think rationally.

Which explains this thread beautifully :laugh:

 

[ShockwaveVT]

many of the "move out or grin & bear it" crowd seem to be missing something here.

Specifically the notion that being the parent/homeowner does not justify screwing around with other adult's personal belongings.

If the OP was 6 years old and complaining about mommy rearranging his comics, that would be one thing. But he's a 20 year old college student, with important documents that should be where he left them when he needs to find them. His mother is absolutely in the wrong here, and if she doesn't want to give her son control over his own room & his personal belongings then she shouldn't be letting him live there at all.

 

[altonb1]

Originally posted by: ShockwaveVT
many of the "move out or grin & bear it" crowd seem to be missing something here.

Specifically the notion that being the parent/homeowner does not justify screwing around with other adult's personal belongings.

If the OP was 6 years old and complaining about mommy rearranging his comics, that would be one thing. But he's a 20 year old college student, with important documents that should be where he left them when he needs to find them. His mother is absolutely in the wrong here, and if she doesn't want to give her son control over his own room & his personal belongings then she shouldn't be letting him live there at all.

...which puts us back to advising he should move out. If his stuff is not there, she cqn't rearrange it.

As some of you may already know, I've spent a semester (I'm a 20 year old college sophomore) at home on medical leave, for reasons I won't get into...

This implies that he lived outside the home at some point. He was probably at school in a dorm. I'm willing to bet that a big part of this issue is that while he was "away" from home, he had the freedom to do what he wanted and now that he has returned to his parent's home, his mom returned to her same old ways. Unfortunately, his "freedom" while away has changed his perspective on what he thinks is acceptable. Despite the contrary and good intentions, you can Never truly go back home.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: Throwmeabone

Originally posted by: OrganizedChaos
solution: buy locking file cabinet

+ paper shredder.

+ move your ass out if you don't want to be a kid anymore.

My money is on the 'parents' being in the right here.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: Black88GTA
I don't think you guys know how bad it was. Every time left my room and came back, things were out of place, missing, shuffled around, and definitely not where I left them. I spent hours looking for things that were in my room that had been "put away" by my mom. Most of the time, it was just a major annoyance...but...

The last straw came, and I finally installed the doorknob when she moved a computer disk with a very important paper for school saved on it that I had left on my desk in my room. I looked frantically for it, but couldn't find it anywhere - and of course, she "didn't remember" moving it.

I ended up having to re-do a 12 page paper that night that had to be turned in the next day. I found the disk a few weeks later - in the blank disks box next to the computer downstairs. My mom, when confronted with this, said "Oh, that one? It looked blank, so I put it away. :roll:

So please, before you pass judgment, try to get all sides of the story. I can completely sympathize with the OP on this.

they are your parents, it is their house. If you don't like it, grab a bag and go.

I think it's laughable how 'kids' think their paperwork issues are real. Don't be slobs and your parent's won't have to handle it for you.

I love how the OP has HOURS of paperwork to sort through.

 

[Bryophyte]

Cheap solution: computer paper boxes and file folders. You should be able to get the boxes for free. The folders are very cheap and your mom may actually have some laying around that she'd let you have. Label the boxes according to use: school papers from xxx time period or subject, stuff you need to deal with now, etc.

 

[Engraver]

Quit being a little girl and clean your room once and awhile.