Shut Down Ghost Gun Sites

[momeNt]

So, it's the gun grabber fantasies buried under a mountain of obfuscation.

Fantastic ISIS fantasy, btw.

No. What if you wanted a serial number of your lucky numbers? Or of your children's birthdays? It is not solely gun grabber fantasy. You have to be able to acknowledge that, do not let your gun grabber hysteria blind you to the obvious here.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Who gives a shit what you want the serial number to be? How is that even considered valid? These arent toys.

Guns and gun parts should be kept track of.

 

[Puffnstuff]

The whole idea of non-serialized firearms negates the idea of universal background checks. Or do you think that's a bad idea?

While I agree on background checks for a functional firearm these units do not qualify as a weapon anymore than a pack of matches constitutes a forest fire. On a functional AR only the lower receiver qualifies as the weapon and uppers can be shipped in the mail all day long. I've had lower's with no upper in my gun safe for future projects and when I purchased them I had to go through a background check even though I had a valid CCW.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

No. What if you wanted a serial number of your lucky numbers? Or of your children's birthdays? It is not solely gun grabber fantasy. You have to be able to acknowledge that, do not let your gun grabber hysteria blind you to the obvious here.

I say tough shit. Everyone can't be a special snowflake, deal with the serial number you are given.

 

[glenn1]

Who gives a shit what you want the serial number to be? How is that even considered valid? These arent toys.

Guns and gun parts should be kept track of.

Gun Control Act of 1968 gives the guidance for what is considered a firearm, requires serialization, and the like. Your personal opinion about what the law should be isn't evidence admissable in a court of law, a proper basis for policy, or really even an argument by itself. All in this thread (including most if not all pro-gun rights people) are willing to listen to and consider opinions about changing the law but you should at least do yourself and the rest of us the favor of educating yourself about what the law actually says, not just spouting what you wish it did.

 

[Jhhnn]

No. What if you wanted a serial number of your lucky numbers? Or of your children's birthdays? It is not solely gun grabber fantasy. You have to be able to acknowledge that, do not let your gun grabber hysteria blind you to the obvious here.

It is, nonetheless, an untraceable firearm. Given the tech at the time, the 1968 law was obviously intended to limit the proliferation of untraceable firearms & is no longer functioning as intended.

"I want a custom serial #" is an incredibly lame defense. The whole point of a ghost gun is that it has no serial #.

 

[whm1974]

It is, nonetheless, an untraceable firearm. Given the tech at the time, the 1968 law was obviously intended to limit the proliferation of untraceable firearms & is no longer functioning as intended.

"I want a custom serial #" is an incredibly lame defense. The whole point of a ghost gun is that it has no serial #.

I doubt that the majority of people buying these for "ghost guns" as there are plenty of firearms in private hands that been out of gun stores long enough for the original buyer to have plausible deniability.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

We need a new prohibition, it was so successful for alcohol, drugs and illegal aliens, let's extend it to gun manufacturing now. Maybe you can build a gun wall?

 

[Puffnstuff]

Maybe you can build a gun wall?

What about a gun condom?😛

 

[momeNt]

It is, nonetheless, an untraceable firearm. Given the tech at the time, the 1968 law was obviously intended to limit the proliferation of untraceable firearms & is no longer functioning as intended.

"I want a custom serial #" is an incredibly lame defense. The whole point of a ghost gun is that it has no serial #.

It's a lame defense despite it being basically infinitely more common than no serial ar-15's being used to commit murders / mass murders?

You have a violence fantasy that is not in line with reality. The overwhelming majority of citizens owning these kind of firearms are just everyday folk like yourself.

 

[Jhhnn]

I doubt that the majority of people buying these for "ghost guns" as there are plenty of firearms in private hands that been out of gun stores long enough for the original buyer to have plausible deniability.

Don't be coy. It's obvious that buyers want ghost guns. Serialized receivers sold as firearms are competitively priced with 80% lowers. A custom AR is obviously easier to assemble from a 100% lower. You can stamp your birthday on the other side if you want.

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[Jhhnn]

It's a lame defense despite it being basically infinitely more common than no serial ar-15's being used to commit murders / mass murders?

You have a violence fantasy that is not in line with reality. The overwhelming majority of citizens owning these kind of firearms are just everyday folk like yourself.

Please. The vast, vast majority of firearm owners passed a background check at a sporting goods store & there is a record of their purchase based on the serial #. Avoiding that is the whole point. If 80% lowers were serialized & sold as firearms the market for them would disappear, I suspect.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Gun Control Act of 1968 gives the guidance for what is considered a firearm, requires serialization, and the like. Your personal opinion about what the law should be isn't evidence admissable in a court of law, a proper basis for policy, or really even an argument by itself. All in this thread (including most if not all pro-gun rights people) are willing to listen to and consider opinions about changing the law but you should at least do yourself and the rest of us the favor of educating yourself about what the law actually says, not just spouting what you wish it did.

you dont have to like what i have to say. Im aware of what the act in 1968 says, not in detail unless i went and read it again, multiple times. Thanks for the input.

 

[whm1974]

Please. The vast, vast majority of firearm owners passed a background check at a sporting goods store & there is a record of their purchase based on the serial #. Avoiding that is the whole point. If 80% lowers were serialized & sold as firearms the market for them would disappear, I suspect.

There are a number of people who only buy guns in private sales, which is far easier and cheaper then making a firearm is.

 

[Jhhnn]

There are a number of people who only buy guns in private sales, which is far easier and cheaper then making a firearm is.

True, and so what? Any original owner of a registered firearm who doesn't demand ID & keep a countersigned record of who they sold it to is an outright fool. It's never a problem with a ghost gun.

 

[whm1974]

True, and so what? Any original owner of a registered firearm who doesn't demand ID & keep a countersigned record of who they sold it to is an outright fool. It's never a problem with a ghost gun.

Here in IL you are required to keep records for ten years. However records do get lost or destroyed or even simply thrown away after ten years.

 

[pcgeek11]

Thank you, be aware the point goes both ways. I'm not a ban all guns guy. I am for consistent background checks, States being able to decide what is appropriate and States with easy gun laws or people who sell guns to anyone can't allow their guns to travel out of State. I have no idea how that can be done but that is what needs to happen.
I get that rifle, shotgun and stuff need to be kept to keep vermin away or worse a dangerous bear but I have trouble seeing the need for an AR15 with a bump stock and 88 round drum to do those jobs.

I do agree with all of those points.

 

[pcgeek11]

What about a gun condom?😛

Actually it is quite common to keep debris and water, snow etc out of the barrel.

 

[Puffnstuff]

Actually it is quite common to keep debris and water, snow etc out of the barrel.

In the field we would shoulder our rifles barrel down to prevent this.

 

[IJTSSG]

I know quite a few people who purchase 80% lowers and build their own rifles. They do so simply because they like gunsmithing. They're constantly tweaking something on their guns: the trigger is too light/heavy, this needs polishing, the stock is too long/short, etc., etc. They do this for the same reason people brew their own beer, make furniture, build kit cars, etc. It's their hobby, it's legal, they aren't hurting anyone, get over it.

 

[whm1974]

I know quite a few people who purchase 80% lowers and build their own rifles. They do so simply because they like gunsmithing. They're constantly tweaking something on their guns: the trigger is too light/heavy, this needs polishing, the stock is too long/short, etc., etc. They do this for the same reason people brew their own beer, make furniture, build kit cars, etc. It's their hobby, it's legal, they aren't hurting anyone, get over it.

AMEN!!!

 

[Jhhnn]

I know quite a few people who purchase 80% lowers and build their own rifles. They do so simply because they like gunsmithing. They're constantly tweaking something on their guns: the trigger is too light/heavy, this needs polishing, the stock is too long/short, etc., etc. They do this for the same reason people brew their own beer, make furniture, build kit cars, etc. It's their hobby, it's legal, they aren't hurting anyone, get over it.

Explain how classifying 80% lowers as firearms & serializing them would change any of that.

 

[Puffnstuff]

Explain how classifying 80% lowers as firearms & serializing them would change any of that.

Simply because they aren't firearms anymore than a wood log is a baseball bat or a coffee table.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Explain how classifying 80% lowers as firearms & serializing them would change any of that.

Have these guns been used in crimes in any significant way? AR's are almost never used in gun crimes, and when they are I bet they're always or very nearly always serialized (or the serial manually removed... a file isn't a hard tool to get). This is why pro-2A'ers get so annoyed, you anti-2A'ers want to push so hard against anything gun you forget to look if these pushes do anything to help the situation or if they just harm the rights of those of us whom cherish ALL of the constitution.

 

[Lanyap]

Yea there ain't nothing like blowing a squirrel's brain out at 8 years old. Think it had deep lasting effect had on your psyche?

Probably less than GTA, COD, BF, etc. You get to kill people in those games. Most kids that grew up in rural areas learned how to hunt and fish at an early age.