Shut Down Ghost Gun Sites

[whm1974]

Not quite. All you need to finish an 80% AR receiver is a drill press & the kit I linked above. Just follow the easy instructions that come with it. No FFL or background check required. It will have no serial #, obviously. None of the other parts require a background check, either, nor does as much ammo as you care to buy. Just point & click to have it all delivered to your door. Add a bump stock, drum magazines, laser dot sight & anything else you want. Piece o' cake.

You will also need to heat treat the receiver as well. And as I said before, quite a few States do require you to put a serial number on any weapons you make.

 

[Jhhnn]

You will also need to heat treat the receiver as well. And as I said before, quite a few States do require you to put a serial number on any weapons you make.

Please read the links provided earlier. Polymer receivers are not heat treated. The rest is bullshit. Anybody can order an 80% receiver & all the parts to make a complete AR without the knowledge of their state govt.

 

[whm1974]

Please read the links provided earlier. Polymer receivers are not heat treated. The rest is bullshit. Anybody can order an 80% receiver & all the parts to make a complete AR without the knowledge of their state govt.

I had forgotten about Polymer AR-15 receivers but still I highly doubt that criminals are buying these kits in large numbers.

 

[Jhhnn]

I had forgotten about Polymer AR-15 receivers but still I highly doubt that criminals are buying these kits in large numbers.

Just a variety of gun nuts & wannabee revolutionaries. You know, the "water the tree of liberty with the blood of tyrants" types & the nutbars wild-eyed over the prospect of gun grabbers. The guy who wrote this book will sell you a CNC machine to finish as many 80% lowers as your heart desires-

https://www.amazon.com/Come-Take-Pr...778264?ie=UTF8&redirect=true&tag=simonsayscom

 

[glenn1]

Please read the links provided earlier. Polymer receivers are not heat treated. The rest is bullshit. Anybody can order an 80% receiver & all the parts to make a complete AR without the knowledge of their state govt.

A person with a reasonable grasp of machine tools and handiness can manufacture all the parts already with or without a site like this and it still would be without the knowledge of their state government. And why would the state want to know every time you bought some random firearm part that wasn't controlled? "Oh look, Bob bought a pair of rosewood handle grips, that's his third pair this month. And he bought a new buffer spring as well, my isn't he indulgent?" If you want to shut down a site like this I'll think it's heavy handed but if it makes you feel better go for it. It won't stop the sale or resale of gun parts however, and I'd be a bit curious what exactly you feel would be accomplished in doing it. Apart from the "look how sly you are making your own unregistered gun" sales pitch of the site (which is basically selling a faux rebel cred to its potential audience) nothing on it is particularly out of the ordinary. Someone buying 80% lowers or other components is no more likely to use any resulting firearm for a crime than someone buying a spoiler for their WRX on an auto rally sports store is likely to use his car to commit an act of terrorism. Both people may have odd/eccentric hobbies that I wouldn't engage in but it's not something that's creating an imminent danger IMHO.

 

[Fenixgoon]

You will also need to heat treat the receiver as well. And as I said before, quite a few States do require you to put a serial number on any weapons you make.

why would you need to heat treat the receiver? lowers aren't very heavily loaded, and all the aluminum ones i've seen come pre-heat treated.

 

[whm1974]

A person with a reasonable grasp of machine tools and handiness can manufacture all the parts already with or without a site like this and it still would be without the knowledge of their state government. And why would the state want to know every time you bought some random firearm part that wasn't controlled? "Oh look, Bob bought a pair of rosewood handle grips, that's his third pair this month. And he bought a new buffer spring as well, my isn't he indulgent?" If you want to shut down a site like this I'll think it's heavy handed but if it makes you feel better go for it. It won't stop the sale or resale of gun parts however, and I'd be a bit curious what exactly you feel would be accomplished in doing it. Apart from the "look how sly you are making your own unregistered gun" sales pitch of the site (which is basically selling a faux rebel cred to its potential audience) nothing on it is particularly out of the ordinary. Someone buying 80% lowers or other components is no more likely to use any resulting firearm for a crime than someone buying a spoiler for their WRX on an auto rally sports store is likely to use his car to commit an act of terrorism. Both people may have odd/eccentric hobbies that I wouldn't engage in but it's not something that's creating an imminent danger IMHO.

And let us not forget that in most States private gun sales don't have to be reported.

 

[whm1974]

why would you need to heat treat the receiver? lowers aren't very heavily loaded, and all the aluminum ones i've seen come pre-heat treated.

The last time I looked into this, the 80% finished receivers were not pre-heat treated and while you could use non-heat treated receivers, they will wear out faster.

 

[Jerem]

It is a lower receiver. What is to wear out? the Trigger group or mag well? There is nothing there that needs heat treating

edit: T6 80% is readily available if you so desire

 

[Jerem]

NVM

 

[Jerem]

You will also need to heat treat the receiver as well. And as I said before, quite a few States do require you to put a serial number on any weapons you make.

Ca. is the only state I know of and that took effect this year. Are there other states I don't know of?

 

[whm1974]

Ca. is the only state I know of and that took effect this year. Are there other states I don't know of?

I have to check since I haven't been involved in firearms for quite awhile now. I want to say that IL does require one but I don't remember.

 

[Jhhnn]

A person with a reasonable grasp of machine tools and handiness can manufacture all the parts already with or without a site like this and it still would be without the knowledge of their state government.

I hope you don't really believe that. The tooling required to create an 80% lower from a block of metal or polymer is extensive.

And why would the state want to know every time you bought some random firearm part that wasn't controlled? "Oh look, Bob bought a pair of rosewood handle grips, that's his third pair this month. And he bought a new buffer spring as well, my isn't he indulgent?" If you want to shut down a site like this I'll think it's heavy handed but if it makes you feel better go for it. It won't stop the sale or resale of gun parts however, and I'd be a bit curious what exactly you feel would be accomplished in doing it. Apart from the "look how sly you are making your own unregistered gun" sales pitch of the site (which is basically selling a faux rebel cred to its potential audience) nothing on it is particularly out of the ordinary. Someone buying 80% lowers or other components is no more likely to use any resulting firearm for a crime than someone buying a spoiler for their WRX on an auto rally sports store is likely to use his car to commit an act of terrorism. Both people may have odd/eccentric hobbies that I wouldn't engage in but it's not something that's creating an imminent danger IMHO.

I suggest no such thing. I suggest that even 80% receivers be serialized & subject to the same rules as finished receivers. Honest to God gunsmiths who build scratch weapons should be required to serialize them & treat them the same way.

It's not like untraceable weapons are a good thing in our society. You need to be way out on the fringe to think that they are.

 

[whm1974]

I hope you don't really believe that. The tooling required to create an 80% lower from a block of metal or polymer is extensive.

Which why most people who have this hobby just buy the 80% lower and finish them instead of making one from a block of metal.

 

[Jhhnn]

NVM

Not true. It's currently an issue of States' Rights & few require background checks for private sales.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_show_loophole

 

[Jhhnn]

Which why most people who have this hobby just buy the 80% lower and finish them instead of making one from a block of metal.

If you're legit you'll have no problem buying a serialized 80% lower through a licensed FFL dealer.

 

[Jerem]

Not true. It's currently an issue of States' Rights & few require background checks for private sales.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_show_loophole

Hah! I got my edit in first. And yes, my post was incorrect, hence I removed it after some research.

 

[whm1974]

If you're legit you'll have no problem buying a serialized 80% lower through a licensed FFL dealer.

I have no issue with being required to serialized the lower once it is finished.

 

[Jhhnn]

I have no issue with being required to serialized the lower once it is finished.

Which allows for un-serialized weapons to be produced by damned near anybody.

 

[whm1974]

I think this whole issue of Ghost Guns is overblown.

 

[glenn1]

I hope you don't really believe that. The tooling required to create an 80% lower from a block of metal or polymer is extensive.

I suggest no such thing. I suggest that even 80% receivers be serialized & subject to the same rules as finished receivers. Honest to God gunsmiths who build scratch weapons should be required to serialize them & treat them the same way.

It's not like untraceable weapons are a good thing in our society. You need to be way out on the fringe to think that they are.

I think you're splitting hairs that don't need to be split. I'm not saying everyone's idiot cousin Tito who took metal shop for one semester before he dropped out of high school and now works at Jiffy Lube would be able to knock out a sear assembly in an hour. But for someone with machine tools knowledge (not that hard to get, or self-train if you had the time and patience) I think you'd agree that making your own firearms parts involves no true challenges from an engineering, materials science, or design standpoints. The technology of firearms is pretty mature and well documented, it's not like folks are trying to build a stealth fighter or nuclear submarine propulsion system; a firearm is a reasonably simple system of mechanical parts. And as others have pointed out, the value proposition of making your own firearm parts is almost certainly only going to appeal to a hobbyist and not someone looking to engage in nefarious activities. Just like the dude in this video is likely perfectly capable of building his own firearm, he's almost certainly going to just buy one at the local FFL instead just like most people would just buy a $5 digital alarm clock from Amazon rather than spend 1k hours building a bespoke clock.

 

[whm1974]

I think you're splitting hairs that don't need to be split. I'm not saying everyone's idiot cousin Tito who took metal shop for one semester before he dropped out of high school and now works at Jiffy Lube would be able to knock out a sear assembly in an hour. But for someone with machine tools knowledge (not that hard to get, or self-train if you had the time and patience) I think you'd agree that making your own firearms parts involves no true challenges from an engineering, materials science, or design standpoints. The technology of firearms is pretty mature and well documented, it's not like folks are trying to build a stealth fighter or nuclear submarine propulsion system; a firearm is a reasonably simple system of mechanical parts. And as others have pointed out, the value proposition of making your own firearm parts is almost certainly only going to appeal to a hobbyist and not someone looking to engage in nefarious activities. Just like the dude in this video is likely perfectly capable of building his own firearm, he's almost certainly going to just buy one at the local FFL instead just like most people would just buy a $5 digital alarm clock from Amazon rather than spend 1k hours building a bespoke clock.

Yeah if I was going to "build" a firearm I would just buy a parts kit and buy the complete receiver from a gun store and put everything together. I thought about doing that with an AR-15 and a 1911A1.

 

[1prophet]

I get all that. When current regulations were formulated back in 1968 today's tech was utterly unanticipated. Only a fully trained & equipped gunsmith could create firearms from scratch. It took a lot of time, skill & equipment. Various people since then have made it possible for any drill press equipped swinging dick in America to skirt the law-

https://blackrifle.co/products/p80-...MIt9v9hvTc1wIVjP5kCh3_Egn6EAkYDSABEgL60_D_BwE

If you want to go into production it's a piece of cake-

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/201...-at-home-with-the-latest-ghost-gunner-update/

When current regulations were formulated back in 1968 today's tech was utterly unanticipated

Neither was the internet that many rightwing sites or Russians use to dispense their propaganda, so lets censor/ban/regulate parts of the internet.

Only a fully trained & equipped gunsmith could create firearms from scratch. It took a lot of time, skill & equipment.

This deaf man with no tongue making guns with his bare hands must be a miracle worker then. @4:50

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FinRqCocwGE
The Gun Markets of Pakistan

 

[pcgeek11]

Yea there ain't nothing like blowing a squirrel's brain out at 8 years old. Think it had deep lasting effect had on your psyche?

No it didn't have any effect on my psyche, it is called hunting for food. You have never lived on a farm or have any idea where your food comes from I see. But then again you just want to put someone down for something you neither understand or approve of. What an @SS.

Do you eat meat? If you do then you need to visit a slaughter house if you think shooting a squirrel is bad or inhuman or cruel. At least the squirrel/rabbit/ deer etc has a chance to get away. You would probably never eat meat again.

 

[pcgeek11]

It's a Country vs City thing. Don't over analyze
He probably grew up in an area where you could actually hunt, plus had tons of vermin. I'd also bet his Father and his friends Fathers were pretty involved with teaching them gun respect.
Geek does have to realize that we all didn't grow up in that area. Where I grew up there really wasn't any safe area where a gun could be shot without being close to someone's house or yard, most of the wild life had disappeared from development and not many people owned guns because there really wasn't any place to shoot them and if needed the Police could be over pretty quickly.

Exactly correct. Thank you for your input seriously. On the farm you are taught from a very early age where your food comes from and how to properly handle a firearm to gather food. It is a tool just like a plow.

I wonder how many in this forum have ever helped plow a field with a mule. I have.