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Showdown 2008: Clinton vs. McCain

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aidanjm

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Many folks here say Hillary doesn't have a chance. This poll tells a different story. Prepare to be surprised. 🙂

"March 7, 2006 ? More than two years out, most Americans have favorable views of the two most talked about potential 2008 presidential candidates, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., and Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz. But their support profiles are vastly different: Clinton, much stronger in her base; McCain, far more appealing beyond his."

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I want to see Mark Warner run for the Democrats... a far less polarizing figure - at least as far as I know.

But if Hillary is the candidate, I'll vote for her. I wouldn't touch McCain with a 20 foot pole.
 
I'll pass on both of them. I don't trust Hillary, and McCain lost all credibility with me when he sold out and stood behind Bush, even though the Bushwhackos did the same kind of smear campaign on him they did on Kerry and Max Cleland.

Right now, I'm keeping my eye on Senator Joe Biden. Unlike one of the current idiots playing President, he's bright and articulate, and as the top Democrat on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and a former chairman of the Judiciary Committee he's got the right experience.
 
Originally posted by: EatSpam
I want to see Mark Warner run for the Democrats... a far less polarizing figure - at least as far as I know.

But if Hillary is the candidate, I'll vote for her. I wouldn't touch McCain with a 20 foot pole.
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I really doubt it will be Hillary. People only speak about her so much for the same reason they put John Kerry and John Edwards high up on the list: because people know their names already. When it finally comes time for the nomination, you will see a fairly different list.

Personally, I'd like to see Mark Warner or Russ Feingold, although Warner would be the better option (I'd rather not have another Senator run). It will also be interesting to see who the Republicans nominate. I just hope it isn't Guiliani. I don't want to see an entire campaign based on 9/11.
 
Originally posted by: EatSpam
I want to see Mark Warner run for the Democrats... a far less polarizing figure - at least as far as I know.
But if Hillary is the candidate, I'll vote for her. I wouldn't touch McCain with a 20 foot pole.
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As I understand it, the parties never put losers back up for election. But what about John Edwards?

 
Originally posted by: Harvey
I'll pass on both of them. I don't trust Hillary, and McCain lost all credibility with me when he sold out and stood behind Bush, even though the Bushwhackos did the same kind of smear campaign on him they did on Kerry and Max Cleland.
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A democrat in the white house is not going to start invading countries.
 
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: Harvey
I'll pass on both of them. I don't trust Hillary, and McCain lost all credibility with me when he sold out and stood behind Bush, even though the Bushwhackos did the same kind of smear campaign on him they did on Kerry and Max Cleland.
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Tough sh1t if you don't "trust" Hillary. A democrat in the white house is not going to start invading countries, that's all that matters. you really owe this to the rest of the world, after the damage Bush has done.
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Do you really trust the Demoncats anymore than the Republicans? Do you really think they will do a better job than the Republicans?

You are a Hillary fan, admit it. I am too. I know that all Republicans are terrible and that all Democrats are good, but still, lets take a second look.
 
Originally posted by: shortylickens
Originally posted by: EatSpam
I want to see Mark Warner run for the Democrats... a far less polarizing figure - at least as far as I know.
But if Hillary is the candidate, I'll vote for her. I wouldn't touch McCain with a 20 foot pole.
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As I understand it, the parties never put losers back up for election. But what about John Edwards?
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Nixon lost in 1960 won in 1968.
 
Apparently Hillary has sometyhing like $50 million already in the kitty. Realistically, who is going to be able to raise more $$ for a campaign? An important consideration.
 
Originally posted by: PELarson
Nixon lost in 1960 won in 1968.
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True. And this next comment is gonna make me sound like a young whippersnapper, but that was a long time ago and many folks werent too happy when he left office.

 
Originally posted by: aidanjm
A democrat in the white house is not going to start invading countries.
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That was just as true when Gore and Kerry ran. I voted for both of them, and all I got was this dufus criminal we have now.

I just don't like Hillary. I'll be voting for what I hope is a better Democrat in the primary.
Originally posted by: PELarson
Nixon lost in 1960 won in 1968.
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And he lost, again, in 1973 when they booted his sorry crooked ass. Now, we have a worse criminal. I'm just hoping we can boot him before the end of his term, too.
 
As long as the PNAC goons are flushed from their positions of power, I'll be happy. Going on McCain's past, I'm not sure that would happen if he won. Hillary doesn't excite me, but she doesn't exactly scare me either. The Republican party has been hijacked by religious idealogues - that overrides whatever nominee they offer up.

I hope Hillary does win, the reaction from the Limbaugh suckers would be worth it alone!


 
Originally posted by: kage69
I hope Hillary does win, the reaction from the Limbaugh suckers would be worth it alone!
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Damn! That's the best arguement I've heard in her favor, yet. :thumbsup: :laugh:
 
Originally posted by: Harvey
I'll pass on both of them. I don't trust Hillary, and McCain lost all credibility with me when he sold out and stood behind Bush, even though the Bushwhackos did the same kind of smear campaign on him they did on Kerry and Max Cleland.

Right now, I'm keeping my eye on Senator Joe Biden. Unlike one of the current idiots playing President, he's bright and articulate, and as the top Democrat on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and a former chairman of the Judiciary Committee he's got the right experience.
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Biden, the Senator from HSBC?
 
Originally posted by: shortylickens
Originally posted by: EatSpam
I want to see Mark Warner run for the Democrats... a far less polarizing figure - at least as far as I know.
But if Hillary is the candidate, I'll vote for her. I wouldn't touch McCain with a 20 foot pole.
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As I understand it, the parties never put losers back up for election. But what about John Edwards?
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I wouldn't vote for a trial lawyer... I'd get disowned. I'd vote 3rd party in Edwards vs. McCain.

Besides, Edwards did nothing at all for the Kerry ticket. Boring 'ol Gephart would have done more.
 
Hillary is as bad a choice for democrats as Guliani is for repubs.

the last poll i saw said 46% of people would vote against her no matter what.

 
In general 40% of the country would only vote dem, 40% only republican. Hillary is a death sentance because she's at 46% wouldn't dream of her. Only chance she has is a Ross Perot clone comes in. That said republicans can do the same thing by picking an idealogue...but it looks like they are leaning away from that.

Republicans (which I know better) will likely go McCain but that could change in a hurry (he'll be 72 in '08, older than Reagan in '84). They could go Allen for an idealogue, or Romney for a centrist. Don't count either one of those two anyway. Allen has got an edge with insiders, and Romney is quickly becoming a media darling plus he's got the money that he doesn't need insiders. Guiliani hasn't convinced anybody he can win in the south, and terrorism isn't what it used to be. Forget Hagel, he's Romney poor step-child.

Dems best chance is a governor who can define themselves. Warner, Vilsack, or Richardson...of course with there being 3 likely in the race going for the same group will weaken them individually. Edwards has a chance, but he just seems like a fake (or is that flake). He's just too much a politician...I don't buy this 1930's approach to poverty, and I don't think he really does either.
 
hahahhaaaa The republicans are drooling at the mouth joping its going to Hillary......hahaaaaaa....Hillary=Losing ticket!!
 
explain to me why a democrat should not vote for mcCain.

he seems like a pretty cool guy.

I'll admit I don't know much about him so help me out.
 
I understand that our current president isn't much to brag about, but what's this obsession with 2008. None of the poll numbers regarding 2008 mean anything at all. Like I've said before, if they did mean something, you would've seen Howard Dean vs. Bush in the last election.

 
Originally posted by: mribnik1
I understand that our current president isn't much to brag about, but what's this obsession with 2008. None of the poll numbers regarding 2008 mean anything at all. Like I've said before, if they did mean something, you would've seen Howard Dean vs. Bush in the last election.
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People like to speculate that's all. 🙂
 
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