Shouting teen shot with stun gun, dies next day

waggy

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JERSEYVILLE, Illinois (AP) -- A teenager carrying a Bible and shouting "I want Jesus" was shot twice with a police stun gun and later died at a St. Louis hospital, authorities said.

In a statement obtained Tuesday by The Associated Press, police in Jerseyville, about 40 miles north of St. Louis, said 17-year-old Roger Holyfield would not acknowledge officers who approached him and he continued yelling, "I want Jesus."

Police tried to calm the teen, but Holyfield became combative, according to the statement. Officers fired the stun gun at him after he ignored their warnings, then fired again when he continued struggling, police said.

Holyfield was flown to St. Louis' Cardinal Glennon Hospital after the confrontation Saturday; he died there Sunday, police said.

An autopsy was planned for Tuesday.

The statement expressed sympathy to Holyfield's family but said city and police officials would not discuss the matter further.

Calls Tuesday to Jerseyville Police Chief Brad Blackorby were not immediately returned. The department has been using stun guns for about five months, according to the statement.

In a report released in March, international human rights group Amnesty International said it had logged at least 156 deaths across the country in the previous five years related to police stun guns.

The rise in deaths accompanies a marked increase in the number of U.S. law enforcement agencies employing devices made by Taser International Inc. of Scottsdale, Arizona. About 1,000 of the nation's 18,000 police agencies used Tasers in 2001; more than 7,000 departments had them last year, according to a government study.

Police had used Tasers more than 70,000 times as of last year, Congress' Government Accountability Office said.

Amnesty International has urged police departments to suspend the use of Tasers pending more study. Taser International said the group's count was flawed and falsely linked deaths to Taser use when there has been no such official conclusion.

The city of St. Louis also drew unwanted attention for crime this week when it was named the most dangerous U.S. city by Morgan Quitno Press. The ranking looked only at crime within St. Louis city limits, not its metro area.






thats nice of the cops! helped the kid see Jesus!
 

PottedMeat

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it seems like cops are getting alot more liberal with the use of stun guns - what ever happened to just macing the crap out of someone? I think I'd rather be hit with pepper spray than shocked ( you never know if someone has a heart condition, I figure respiratory distress is easier to fix heh).
 

yllus

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*shrugs* Sorry kid, you brought it on yourself.

(Assuming he really did become combatative enough to warrant the stun.)
 

waggy

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Originally posted by: PottedMeat
it seems like cops are getting alot more liberal with the use of stun guns - what ever happened to just macing the crap out of someone? I think I'd rather be hit with pepper spray than shocked ( you never know if someone has a heart condition, I figure respiratory distress is easier to fix heh).

well for years tazer's have been billed as non-lethal and safe. now they are learning they are not either.
 

oCxTiTaN

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Thank Jesus they took him out, we don't need "dangerous criminals" like him out there :roll:

Sad they are bad enough cops that they had to resort to this, and why did they have to bother him in the first place? They think they can control everything even where there is no specific crime. What exactly was he doing wrong? Doesn't freedom of speech apply here? Why did they try to calm him down if all he was doing was holding a bible yelling "I want Jesus?"
 

Garet Jax

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Originally posted by: j00fek
another good showing from our pigs we call cops

Boy that's a generalization.

What would you rather they do? The boy was warned before being shot. After the first shot he still didn't calm down so they shot him again. They used a stun gun to try and minimize the damage.

It wasn't the cops fault that the boy died from the stun gun. If anyone it's the boy's or it's Taser's.
 

oCxTiTaN

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Originally posted by: yllus
*shrugs* Sorry kid, you brought it on yourself.

(Assuming he really did become combatative enough to warrant the stun.)

Thing is, why did they have to get involved in the first place?
 

oCxTiTaN

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Originally posted by: Garet Jax
Originally posted by: j00fek
another good showing from our pigs we call cops

Boy that's a generalization.

What would you rather they do? The boy was warned before being shot. After the first shot he still didn't calm down so they shot him again. They used a stun gun to try and minimize the damage.

It wasn't the cops fault that the boy died from the stun gun. If anyone it's the boy's or it's Taser's.

You guys are missing the big picture, though. Why were the cops bothering the kid in the first place? If I want to go out on a street corner and do the same thing, what crime would I be committing? I'm sure God ain't so happy about this.
 

Garet Jax

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Originally posted by: PottedMeat
I think I'd rather be hit with pepper spray than shocked

That's the point - they shouldn't be pleasurable or even tolerable. If you have a heart condition, then the onus is on you not to push the cops into using the stun gun. It is not the cop's responsibility.
 

moshquerade

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Originally posted by: j00fek
another good showing from our pigs we call cops
what the fvck are you talking about? it appears they DID NOT use the stun gun hastily.
they used it according to procedure.

 

Stuxnet

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Originally posted by: Garet Jax
Originally posted by: j00fek
another good showing from our pigs we call cops

Boy that's a generalization.

What would you rather they do? The boy was warned before being shot. After the first shot he still didn't calm down so they shot him again. They used a stun gun to try and minimize the damage.

It wasn't the cops fault that the boy died from the stun gun. If anyone it's the boy's or it's Taser's.

What threat did this kid pose?

ZERO.
 

waggy

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Originally posted by: oCxTiTaN
Originally posted by: yllus
*shrugs* Sorry kid, you brought it on yourself.

(Assuming he really did become combatative enough to warrant the stun.)

Thing is, why did they have to get involved in the first place?

depends.

was he on private property or public property? but he should not have become combatative.

I bet they find out he had mental problems also (no jokes saying yeah he wanted jesus!)
 

Unheard

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If not stun guns, they could of just shot him. Jesus. People complain about less-lethal/non-lethal weapons, they get them, then they complain when less than 1/5 a % die from them (this is actually over stating it as I took the 156 people who died over 5 years and divided it by the 70000 times tasers were used last year.) Don't want to die from a taser? Don't fight with a cop.
 

iamwiz82

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Originally posted by: jbourne77
Originally posted by: Garet Jax
Originally posted by: j00fek
another good showing from our pigs we call cops

Boy that's a generalization.

What would you rather they do? The boy was warned before being shot. After the first shot he still didn't calm down so they shot him again. They used a stun gun to try and minimize the damage.

It wasn't the cops fault that the boy died from the stun gun. If anyone it's the boy's or it's Taser's.

What threat did this kid pose?

ZERO.

How do you know? :confused:
 

moshquerade

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Originally posted by: iamwiz82
Originally posted by: jbourne77
Originally posted by: Garet Jax
Originally posted by: j00fek
another good showing from our pigs we call cops

Boy that's a generalization.

What would you rather they do? The boy was warned before being shot. After the first shot he still didn't calm down so they shot him again. They used a stun gun to try and minimize the damage.

It wasn't the cops fault that the boy died from the stun gun. If anyone it's the boy's or it's Taser's.

What threat did this kid pose?

ZERO.

How do you know? :confused:
he doesn't.
 

Aharami

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why use a stun gun? are the cops that out of shape that 2 cant overpower one teenager?
 

Garet Jax

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Originally posted by: waggy
well for years tazer's have been billed as non-lethal and safe. now they are learning they are not either.

I'm sure there are cases of death from pepper spray (alergic reaction to pepper).

I'm sure there have been deaths from the old way cops used to apprehend people as well.

I would like to understand the number of deaths versus the number of uses. I would also like to understand why the boy died - was it a weak heart - was it the trauma from the arrest - the side effects of the stun gun....

I would like to see percentages of each one before passing judgement on stun guns.
 

moshquerade

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Originally posted by: Aharami
why use a stun gun? are the cops that out of shape that 2 cant overpower one teenager?
according to the article they warned him numerous times to stop being combative or else they would stun him. he didn't comply. that's fair warning.

 

Garet Jax

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Originally posted by: oCxTiTaN
Thank Jesus they took him out, we don't need "dangerous criminals" like him out there :roll:

Sad they are bad enough cops that they had to resort to this, and why did they have to bother him in the first place? They think they can control everything even where there is no specific crime. What exactly was he doing wrong? Doesn't freedom of speech apply here? Why did they try to calm him down if all he was doing was holding a bible yelling "I want Jesus?"

The article isn't clear what law the boy was breaking. I doubt it was because what he was saying - it was probably more how he was saying it. Freedom of speech doesn't protect that.
 

pontifex

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Originally posted by: iamwiz82
Originally posted by: jbourne77
Originally posted by: Garet Jax
Originally posted by: j00fek
another good showing from our pigs we call cops

Boy that's a generalization.

What would you rather they do? The boy was warned before being shot. After the first shot he still didn't calm down so they shot him again. They used a stun gun to try and minimize the damage.

It wasn't the cops fault that the boy died from the stun gun. If anyone it's the boy's or it's Taser's.

What threat did this kid pose?

ZERO.

How do you know? :confused:

exactly.
obviously there was a problem if the police got involved. the police hating on this forum is disgusting.
 

Stuxnet

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Originally posted by: iamwiz82
Originally posted by: jbourne77
Originally posted by: Garet Jax
Originally posted by: j00fek
another good showing from our pigs we call cops

Boy that's a generalization.

What would you rather they do? The boy was warned before being shot. After the first shot he still didn't calm down so they shot him again. They used a stun gun to try and minimize the damage.

It wasn't the cops fault that the boy died from the stun gun. If anyone it's the boy's or it's Taser's.

What threat did this kid pose?

ZERO.

How do you know? :confused:

Because, judging from the facts presented in the story, all the kid did was yell he wanted Jesus. I don't think that warrants electrocution.

They did say he became combating, but that was only after the first shot. The insinuation is that he wasn't combative prior.
 

Garet Jax

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Originally posted by: jbourne77
What threat did this kid pose?

ZERO.

How do you know that. He could have had a gun or a knife. He could have been a street fighter. He could have a black belt in some martial art. He could have HIV or some other blood transferring disease.

Why should the cops find out the hard way?
 

Stuxnet

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Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: iamwiz82
Originally posted by: jbourne77
Originally posted by: Garet Jax
Originally posted by: j00fek
another good showing from our pigs we call cops

Boy that's a generalization.

What would you rather they do? The boy was warned before being shot. After the first shot he still didn't calm down so they shot him again. They used a stun gun to try and minimize the damage.

It wasn't the cops fault that the boy died from the stun gun. If anyone it's the boy's or it's Taser's.

What threat did this kid pose?

ZERO.

How do you know? :confused:
he doesn't.

And you two know that he DID pose a threat? No, you don't.