Should women protect themselves from rape

[Orignal Earl]

Given the chance we revert to our animal state.

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[Veliko]

Please, that's not even close to what I said...

Here's a story from a few years ago I saw involving a female co-worker. One week she started seeing some new guy (they had no prior history), and she decides to go out to lunch with ____, and when she returns she is all pissed off at his advances during lunch. The next day comes along, and she decides to again have lunch with ____, and upon returning she's even more pissed off that he's making even greater advances on her. Everyone is trying to tell her to end it with this guy. Next day comes and again she decides to have lunch with ____, and is again even more pissed off afterwards. She had plans to hang out with a friend of her's in the evening, she cancelled those plans so she could go on a dinner date with _____. Luckily she finally got up the nerve to walk out in the middle of dinner and leave.

But to the rest of us who are watching this unfold throughout the week, watching the train-wreck we know is coming, it's damn fucking difficult to stand idly by. We all know the guy was the prick and was completely wrong with his advances. But if the train wreck unfolds, nothing that can be done afterwards can ever undo the damages.


I guess I have the general philosophy that you cannot change other people's behaviors, cannot wait for other people to change. You have to take control of a situation and make the changes within yourself to get out of them. And that is exactly what this co-worker also did. She got herself into a bad situation and realized she had to change, instead of playing things cool and waiting for him to take the hints and change, she changed her approach, said "fuck you", and removed herself from the situation. And we were glad she finally kicked this guy to the curb. But if she hadn't adjusted her approach to the situation, we all assumed something very bad was going to happen to her.

So what's the politically correct answer to resolving that situation that I watched unfold a few years ago? You cannot blame yourself in such situations, while at the same time must recognize that you have to adjust your approach to the situation at hand in order to achieve a more desirable outcome.

I don't see how your story relates to rape.

 

[mikeymikec]

Why does it have to be characterized as a "one or the other, but not both" type of situation? Why can we not both punish rapists while at the same time create safer situations on the prevention side?

I said why, read what I wrote.

Given the chance we revert to our animal state.

In this context of this topic, this is about the most disturbing thing I've read. Dude, you sound like a rape apologist.

I have to ask though - when did you last revert to your animal state?

 

[Ancalagon44]

If feminists were really for equality, why not call themselves egalitarians or humanitarians?

 

[Veliko]

If feminists were really for equality, why not call themselves egalitarians or humanitarians?

I see that Nehalem has found himself another forum login.

 

[Ancalagon44]

I see that Nehalem has found himself another forum login.

Lol look at my post history, I'm not Nehalem.

But seriously, if they were for equality, they would not call themselves feminists. Simple.

 

[Veliko]

Lol look at my post history, I'm not Nehalem.

But seriously, if they were for equality, they would not call themselves feminists. Simple.

It's only simple if you're simple minded.

 

[Ancalagon44]

No need to insult me.

Why call themselves feminists then?

 

[Veliko]

Why not?

What other word would you use to describe a collection of movements and ideologies aimed at defining, establishing, and defending equal political, economic, cultural, and social rights for women?

 

[Orignal Earl]

I have to ask though - when did you last revert to your animal state?

According to wiki, boys turn into jackasses after smoking and drinking beer


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_of_Toys

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

According to wiki, boys turn into jackasses after smoking and drinking beer


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_of_Toys

It's true!

 

[Texashiker]

I have to ask though - when did you last revert to your animal state?

The last time I cooked a steak on the grill.

Do you "really" think a few thousand years of civilization can undo hundreds of thousands of years of evolution? Do you honestly think the potential for violence has been removed from our genetic code?

Pol pot, ISIS, hitler, stalin,,,,, millions of people dead within the past century. John Wayne Gacy, Jeffrey Dahmer,,,, etc.

And you find the potential for rape disturbing?

You want to read about horror? Read about what happened during outbreaks of the black death in Europe. Parents killed and ate their children. Children killed and ate their parents.

 

[Veliko]

The last time I cooked a steak on the grill.

Do you "really" think a few thousand years of civilization can undo hundreds of thousands of years of evolution? Do you honestly think the potential for violence has been removed from our genetic code?

No-one has claimed that violence has been removed from our genetic code.

And those few thousand years of civilisation are products of our evolution.

 

[mikeymikec]

The last time I cooked a steak on the grill.

You revert to an animal state when you cook meat?

 

[Ancalagon44]

Why not?

What other word would you use to describe a collection of movements and ideologies aimed at defining, establishing, and defending equal political, economic, cultural, and social rights for women?

Feminism.

But don't claim it is about equality then, because it isnt. Its about rights for women, as you said, not equality.

 

[Texashiker]

You revert to an animal state when you cook meat?

There is nothing like the smell of cooking meat.

 

[mikeymikec]

Feminism.

But don't claim it is about equality then, because it isnt. Its about rights for women, as you said, not equality.

You said that equal rights for women ought to be called feminism but they shouldn't claim that it's about equality because it isn't.

 

[Texashiker]

Feminism.

But don't claim it is about equality then, because it isnt. Its about rights for women, as you said, not equality.

Feminism is not about equality.

Feminist want to abolish the male dominated world. The problem is, women are not willing to do the kinds of work that keep our society running.

If men are not the dominate sex and women are not willing to step forward, what then?

 

[nehalem256]

You said that equal rights for women ought to be called feminism but they shouldn't claim that it's about equality because it isn't.

Equal rights without equal responsibility isn't equality.

 

[mikeymikec]

There is nothing like the smell of cooking meat.

Judging by your logic so far, and since it's a fair assumption that you're not a vegetarian, so therefore reverting to an animal state must be a frequent occurrence for you, how many women have you raped?

 

[Ancalagon44]

You said that equal rights for women ought to be called feminism but they shouldn't claim that it's about equality because it isn't.

I didnt say equal rights for women and neither did he. The word equal does not appear in feminism. It isnt used.

 

[Texashiker]

how many women have you raped?

None.

Never have never will.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

No need to insult me.

Why call themselves feminists then?

Primarily, they call themselves feminists because that was the word that was coined to describe people who fought for equal rights for women (primarily suffrage) in the 19th century, and people in the 19th century weren't as PC when it came to nomenclature as we are today. Do you also complain about the NAACP or the United Negro College Fund? They're just titles; what's important is the ideas they're espousing.

Incidentally, there has been pushback within the feminist movement to start using more inclusive, gender-neutral terminology like "humanism" or what have you. One of the biggest arguments against that is that women have been living under a system where the male voice is the default; if we talk about a generic person, it's always "he" or "him." A movement to bring equality for women offers a perfect opportunity to use a non-masculine default voice; men can be feminists just as easily as women, and yet that idea seems very threatening for some men. "I support equal rights for women, but I'm not a feminist..." It's like the concept of being identified in female terminology is utterly emasculating to some people. But that offers an opportunity to examine why you feel that way when you're addressed by a gendered term that doesn't apply to you, and extrapolate from that to think about how women feel every time the male pronoun is used as the default. It's a chance to have a broader conversation about gender roles in our society and how they run through things we may never have considered.

Or it's because they hate men. Whatever.

 

[mikeymikec]

I didnt say equal rights for women and neither did he. The word equal does not appear in feminism. It isnt used.

Yes he did, and you agreed:

Why not?

What other word would you use to describe a collection of movements and ideologies aimed at defining, establishing, and defending equal political, economic, cultural, and social rights for women?

Feminism.

But don't claim it is about equality then, because it isnt. Its about rights for women, as you said, not equality.

 

[nehalem256]

Judging by your logic so far, and since it's a fair assumption that you're not a vegetarian, so therefore reverting to an animal state must be a frequent occurrence for you, how many women have you raped?

What definition of rape are you using?