IAteYourMother
Lifer
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Yeah, my math teacher was in the navy, and while he didn't ride submarines, I'm sure he's met people there or has been exposed to the environment
Yeah, my math teacher was in the navy, and while he didn't ride submarines, I'm sure he's met people there or has been exposed to the environment
bump i am tired and only have 3 paragraphs i need like 5. i will do the rest at school in morning 
I disagree with that. As far as combat goes, I think women need to meet the same requirements as men. It isn't fair for the others in the group to have a weaker link rather than a fully capable soldier. Sure, the strength to do those extra 50 pushups may not be necessary in most situations, but the potential exists for unecessary deaths (not only to the the weaker personnel, but others in the unit as well) with weaker soldiers in combat.
If someone (man or woman) can't meet the physical requirements for combat and they still have the desire to serve in the armed forces, let them take a different task. In today's military, those positions are plentiful.
ty msparish please keep posting ideas everyone i am gonna have to finish 2 body paragraphs at school. plus a conclusion but that is easy.
That's not the only aspect they'd be inferior in compared to men. If I have a choice between taking my chances with a 180lb man or a 130lb woman dragging me to safety after I just took two rounds to the leg, I'm gonna go with the man.
Most women are quite a bit weaker physically compared to men in the military. Do I want a woman in my squadron having to rest extra because she is too weak to carry a rifle while covering a lot of terrain? What about her when she has her period? Also, she'd be an extra distraction to the men when the utmost concentration is required. These are just a few reasons why they shouldn't be on the front lines with all the fighting.
If she can be held to the same standards as a man and pass those standards, I'd be a lot more willing to have her in the military, although I would still be hesitant simply because even though pound for pound she may be as strong as the guys, she is much smaller and therefore her maximum strength will probably be less than a mans. If they want to be in a different aspect of the military (IE not fighting, such as intelligence) then they should still be held to the same standards as men, otherwise they should be given a pay reduction. If a man has to meet so and so requirements to get a non-combat job, the woman should have to meet those same requirements.
Just come up with three reasons why they should be. Then, think up a few reasons why they shouldn't - and create rebuttals to those reasons (to show you have considered the opposing arguments). Add in an introduction and a conclusion, and you have your essay.
IHateMyJob2004
Lifer
- Sep 29, 2004
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"Gays in the military. Here's my take. Anyone DUMB ENOUGH ... to join the military ... should be let in" - Bill Hicks
Same goes for women.
Toastedlightly
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- Aug 7, 2004
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I think that the women should be held to the same standards. Team training, physical training and psychological training. I also think tthat, if there will be equal rights, that the draft should draw from both pools of people (if it ever happens).
Yea you have to be real dumb to go into the military :roll:
Food, clothing, and shelter provided for while you get a salary, job experience, and a great reference on your resume. And they pay a large amount of money towards college. Geeze that is a HORRIBLE deal eh?
IHateMyJob2004
Lifer
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Ask people if going to Iraq is any fun. FYI: what you see on TV isn't real.
"Get a salary"
Summer jobs/ co-op/internships?
"job experience"
thaat's what internships and co-os are for. RELEVEVANT experience is needed, not knowing how to clean a rifle.
"great reference"
All employers want to see is that your not lazy. Anyone can put internships and co-ops on a resume. Just show that you have the drive to improve yourself. Doesn't require risking ones life.
"pay a large amount of money towards college"
student loans? Grants? Work through college?
"Geeze that is a HORRIBLE deal eh"
Yup, in return you just have to go to Iraq and risk your life. GREAT DEAL! Oh, and you don't start your professinal career till much later in life? Wonderful. And interest on student loans are tax deductable. AWESOME. And you can make money while in school. Oh...
You really have no idea about the military, do you?
Your rebuttal to my getting a salary is weak at best. You also need to pay for college, a place to live, utilities, etc. So there goes any hopes of saving up a large chunk of your money, contrary to the savings you get in the military. Not to mention signing bonuses for completeing your training.
As for Job Experience, I have several friends in the military. One's a Navy Coreman, another is a Navy Cryptological techinician, and the other is an engineer in the Army. Another is in Annapolis Prep school right now. He gets over a $20,000 Interest Free Loan upon graduating from the academy. Not to mention, if he wants, he basically has a career for the rest of his life. And yes I said interest free. You're confusing actual positions in the military with just GRUNTs. You don't just clean a rifle, or learn how to pitch a tent. You get actual training for jobs in the real world. Look up such programs as MOS, Guaranteed Job enlistments, and Guaranteed Aptitude Area enlistments, and see if the jobs they offer are just "cleaning a rifle."
As for references, ask anybody around if being in the military is a great reference on your resume. Especially if you want to go into law enforcement. The cops around here make over $70,000 a year starting salary, and it is extremely hard to get a position unless you've served in the City PD, in the Fire Department, or IN THE MILITARY.
As for paying for college, loans are quite different than getting actual money for college. And you can have these wonderful co-ops, summer jobs, and internships you were raving about.
Also, not everyone in the military goes to Iraq. You realize we have a military presence almost anywhere? And depending on what branch you go to, you may have some pull in where you want to be stationed.
I suggest you learn about a subject and read up on it before you get your ass handed to you again.
No, for several reasons.
Tactically: Women are physically less capable of the rigors of extended combat. Note, I did NOT say 'incapable'. Lesser upper-body strength and aggressiveness tend to make women less suitable for combat. It takes extensive physical training to get women to the point where they can pass the standard men's PT test.
Strategically: A country can lose 20% of it's men in combat and regain the population loss in one generation. For evidence of this, look at Britain and Germany after WWI, and Germany and Russia after WWII. Every woman of chld-bearing age lost in combat is a loss in the ability to recover from population losses.
Both of the above issues have been extensively researched. The reason that OUR military has resisted the use of females in combat is due to both of these reasons. No discrimination here, just cold practicality.
1egwehr
Tactically: Women are physically less capable of the rigors of extended combat. Note, I did NOT say 'incapable'. Lesser upper-body strength and aggressiveness tend to make women less suitable for combat. It takes extensive physical training to get women to the point where they can pass the standard men's PT test.
Strategically: A country can lose 20% of it's men in combat and regain the population loss in one generation. For evidence of this, look at Britain and Germany after WWI, and Germany and Russia after WWII. Every woman of chld-bearing age lost in combat is a loss in the ability to recover from population losses.
Both of the above issues have been extensively researched. The reason that OUR military has resisted the use of females in combat is due to both of these reasons. No discrimination here, just cold practicality.
1egwehr
MidasKnight
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- Apr 24, 2004
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Not true at all...
I was US Navy for over 10 years I visted Isreal serveral times during my career.. during some of thier worst times...
Women in Isreal serve and are treated with 100% equal respect in the IDF..
it is mandatory for all women and men at age 16 to serve...
one of my female coworkers here was an IDF Paratrooper with over 2000 jumps 20 of those are combat jumps...
trained exactly like a US Ranger but with added difficulty... until recent changes in US training procedures the IDF was considered one of the top trained militaries in the world.. and there is no dropping out there becasue its mandatory service...
I never ever doubted the Women I served with all were bright physically fit and I would fight with them in any situation if it was warranted..
Anyone that thinks any differnt is ignorant...
You asshats that say women are weaker do know that todays Amry and Marine females go through the EXACT same Crucible the men do to graduate...
72 hours no sleep nothing but combat evolutions and physical fitness challeneges and teamwork evolutions topped off by a 40 mile forced march in full combat gear...
how many of you MEN could do that... I know I couldnt even in my prime...
I have nothing but resepct for todays Soldiers female or male.. the modern military is a very challeneging place to work.
No, women should not be allowed in combat, they are much too viscious and nasty. Mere men could never keep up with them.
/recently divorced
/recently divorced
To me, it makes no difference if you're man, woman, or beast. If we're in this society with our so-called "everyone is equal", then everyone that qualifies must go.
TallBill
Lifer
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No... they arren't held to the same standards. I'm not just talking PT tests, I'm talking everything. Every gunner in my platoon can dismount the MK-19 by themselves except our two females. Granted, we'd probably never need to, but such physical tasks just cant be done to the same standard.
rudder
Lifer
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Except for obvious physical differences. How well could a female combat soldier handle menstruation on the battlefield. What about pregnancy? Mentally women are capable to fight in combat but there are physical differences that must be accoutned for. In World War II P51's could require a great deal of upper body strength to manuever. Now combat aircraft are hydraulicaly controlled and that is not an issue. But what if a female pilot gets captured? Undoubtabely she would be raped. What if it is like Vietnam where pows were captive for 6 or 7 years what if the female pilot was forced to bear children? Just something to think about.
Did not read every post... but here is my $0.02...
No, it is my opinion that women do not belong in combat... while you will find the rare woman who can compete with men on a physical level, on the most part, they are just weaker. Not an insult, just the way it is. I have read online and heard debates on the radio and teevee how the military has taken a step back in requirements and training to allow women to the detriment of the men who have to cover their azzes. I am not saying that women should not be in the military, just not in combat.
But, as a woman, there are quite a few jobs that I feel less comfortable with a woman doing, ie; if i were on the 10th floor of a burning building, I would much rather see a guy coming up to save me, than a woman. If I were getting jumped by someone, I would prefer a male cop coming to my rescue... again, these are general statements and I know that there are a few women that could kick a guys azz, but on a whole, women are not as strong as men.
And again, look at the Isreali women... some of the best soldiers on the planet... but I fear that we are too politically correct to get anything close to them.
Finally, I do not think that women should be in combat for sexual reasons... military combat is filled with warriors... not gentlemen. They are not on the battlefield to be gentlemen... and there would be too much... "oh, he looked at me the wrong way" or " he touched my breast"... "I am suing for sexual harrassment"... it doesnt belong in combat.
No, it is my opinion that women do not belong in combat... while you will find the rare woman who can compete with men on a physical level, on the most part, they are just weaker. Not an insult, just the way it is. I have read online and heard debates on the radio and teevee how the military has taken a step back in requirements and training to allow women to the detriment of the men who have to cover their azzes. I am not saying that women should not be in the military, just not in combat.
But, as a woman, there are quite a few jobs that I feel less comfortable with a woman doing, ie; if i were on the 10th floor of a burning building, I would much rather see a guy coming up to save me, than a woman. If I were getting jumped by someone, I would prefer a male cop coming to my rescue... again, these are general statements and I know that there are a few women that could kick a guys azz, but on a whole, women are not as strong as men.
And again, look at the Isreali women... some of the best soldiers on the planet... but I fear that we are too politically correct to get anything close to them.
Finally, I do not think that women should be in combat for sexual reasons... military combat is filled with warriors... not gentlemen. They are not on the battlefield to be gentlemen... and there would be too much... "oh, he looked at me the wrong way" or " he touched my breast"... "I am suing for sexual harrassment"... it doesnt belong in combat.
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