Should wives be submissive to their husbands?

[OCGuy]

Although I pretty much run the show, i'd get a swift kick in the balls if I told her she needs to be more submissive.

 

[BurnItDwn]

The wife had better damn well listen to, and attempt to see things from the point of view of the husband.
Also, the husband hat better damn well listen to, and attempt to see things from the point of view of the wife.

 

[AstroManLuca]

Originally posted by: Svnla

Originally posted by: TechBoyJK

Originally posted by: Svnla
First of all, is this should be in L&R?

Secondly, IMO, a long term healthy relationship should be 50-50 and base on mutual respect/courtesy/love/etc....and "not you should be/do..this and that".

As I stated in my OP, I said this isn't about dictating. I wouldn't want a woman who would let me constantly treat her like a housemade. I'd want that 50/50 balance. I'm just asking when it gets to a certain point where the partner is acting stupid and the need to intervene is there, do you step up and intervene? Should the partner submit, or act disrespectful?

I see where you are coming from. Then you need to rephrase the OP. It should not be "submissive" but rather "listen to" or "open to suggestion(s)".

If my gf or future wife is acting up for whatever reason, of course I would want to know the reason(s).

Agreed. It sounds like TBJK's problem is really the use of the word "submissive."

 

[SagaLore]

Originally posted by: TechBoyJK
I'd probably sleep on the couch.

Stance of Dominance works in mysterious ways...

 

[actuarial]

Originally posted by: TechBoyJK

Originally posted by: AstroManLuca

What would happen if she were to also stick to her guns? Would your head explode at the thought of a woman standing up for herself?

I'd probably sleep on the couch.
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And what if she expects you to submit? If your girlfriend expected you to submit when there was a disagreement, I'm sure you'd be using some kind of 'feminist bitch' type language about her.

My basic philosophy when it comes to everything in life, is if you switch the roles, give the exact same scenario, and you would be pissed, you're being an asshole.

I know if when I was going off on someone my fiance grabbed me in the arm and TOLD me to 'stop it', I'd be mighty pissed at her doing that to me in public, and as such I wouldn't do it to her.

And LOL at all the Christians who will quote passage after passage of a book and completely ignore the teachings of the religion's namesake.

 

[actuarial]

Originally posted by: SagaLore

Originally posted by: TechBoyJK
I'd probably sleep on the couch.

Stand of Dominance works in mysterious ways...

LOL, if she gets the bed and you get the couch, then you've only been led on to believe she submits to you!

 

[Zolty]

You shouldn't get married if you think of it as "submitting"

 

[TechBoyJK]

Originally posted by: actuarial

Originally posted by: SagaLore

Originally posted by: TechBoyJK
I'd probably sleep on the couch.

Stand of Dominance works in mysterious ways...

LOL, if she gets the bed and you get the couch, then you've only been led on to believe she submits to you!

haha i know... thats why i said that.

 

[Mo0o]

Originally posted by: AstroManLuca

Originally posted by: Svnla

Originally posted by: TechBoyJK

Originally posted by: Svnla
First of all, is this should be in L&R?

Secondly, IMO, a long term healthy relationship should be 50-50 and base on mutual respect/courtesy/love/etc....and "not you should be/do..this and that".

As I stated in my OP, I said this isn't about dictating. I wouldn't want a woman who would let me constantly treat her like a housemade. I'd want that 50/50 balance. I'm just asking when it gets to a certain point where the partner is acting stupid and the need to intervene is there, do you step up and intervene? Should the partner submit, or act disrespectful?

I see where you are coming from. Then you need to rephrase the OP. It should not be "submissive" but rather "listen to" or "open to suggestion(s)".

If my gf or future wife is acting up for whatever reason, of course I would want to know the reason(s).

Agreed. It sounds like TBJK's problem is really the use of the word "submissive."

not to mention it also has nothing to do w/ which spouse it is. a 50/50 balance would mean if teh man was acting out of line and the woman said stop, he should also stop

 

[DAGTA]

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: DAGTA
I note that the men in this thread feel grabbing a woman's arm makes it ok for her to kick him in the nuts. These men have been well trained by the feminist movement.

Damn that feminist movement, letting women own property and get jobs! Those uppity feminists and their well-trained men even support a woman's right to defend herself from assault! How dare they!

If a woman grabs my arm, am I justified in giving her a boob punch or a crotch kick?

 

[DAGTA]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: DAGTA
I note that the men in this thread feel grabbing a woman's arm makes it ok for her to kick him in the nuts. These men have been well trained by the feminist movement.

Depends on the grab and the situation. I still think that the more respectful (and preferable) option is to simply lay a hand on their shoulder and ask that they calm down.

ZV

I'm not giving an opinion on the OP.

My point is that a kick to the nuts is quite an extreme response to grabbing someone's arm.

 

[Chaotic42]

As a rule? No. Husbands and wives should each pick their battles though.

 

[alkemyst]

Why the fuck do you need to put a hand on her? If you don't have an agreement should to compromise or do it the way you want and be angry at each other.

Seriously if this is a regular thing it's time to move on.

 

[manowar821]

I don't believe in "places" for the sexes.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: Dumac

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Dumac

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Dumac

Originally posted by: moshquerade
what he is saying is you shouldn't think of someone as beneath you, and he's right. (unless they commit criminal acts or something like that). he makes a good point that the OP isn't regarding.

I'm saying that will never happen. I'm also saying that a colorblind society will never exist.

Also, no where did he state that he believes women are beneath men.

I never said it would happen totally. there is no way the masses would embrace that even though it's a correct behavior. i did say that believing someone should submit to you is wrong, and that is what the OP has said. So yes, he is saying that women should submit to or aka be beneath men. (double entendre, i know

He said that a wife should submit to her husband's wishes when her husband thinks she is out of line. He also said that the husband shoudl submit to his wife's wishes if he is out of line. How can two people both be beneath each other?

Submitting to someone's wishes =! being beneath them.

he was on the verge of suggesting domestic abuse. go back and read the original post.
that is dominating someone, and that is putting them beneath you.

Grabbing someone's arm =! domestic abuse.

People today are too sensitive about matters of the family household, one side ready to hang the man of the house at the blow of a whistle and the other side stuck on ideas of family conformity.

EDIT: Actually both sides are pretty much glued to the idea that their family setup is the right one, not realizing the variables of class, race, culture, and education.

what part of "on the verge" don't you understand?

if a man grabs me by the arm and yells at me he's going to be close to getting one in the nads.

 

[GiggleGirl]

Originally posted by: zoiks

Originally posted by: TechBoyJK

Originally posted by: Wheezer

Originally posted by: TechBoyJK
I think that wives should generally be submissive to their husbands. I DON't think husbands should abuse this though and I don't mean like a dictator "Go do the dishes. Do the laundry. etc." but more out of respect, like if the wife is mad and yelling at someone and the husband grabs her arm and says "stop it!", she should.

/flamesuit on

Discuss.

There is nothing wrong with a good wife beating every once in a while.

They need just to remember who's boss.

LOL. I am not suggesting wife beating at all. I said, grab her arm, not pimp slap.

No throat punch?

if OCN grabbed my arm i would fucking pimp slap HIM!

as far as im concerned, im not going to be submissive to ANYONE (minus in bed on occasion with the bf)... this is horseshit IMO. i would show OCN respect in any way i could when it came to something of importance etc, but "submissive"? no.
always assertive, end of story.

 

[GiggleGirl]

Originally posted by: Nik
Relationships require compromise. Give and take. Not Command and Dictate.

exactly

 

[seemingly random]

Those who think they should be dominant over their mates - that this is what their mates really want - would fit nicely in an islamic society.

 

[Jeff7]

Yes, they must be submissive. How else can I satisfy my primitive male urges to dominate things?

Brb, got to go urinate on things so as to mark my territory.