Should the US end the practice of giving automatic citizenship to infants...

[SSSnail]

Whose parents are NOT US citizens or legal residents?

I'm sure that will end the illegal birthing services I see around.

Why is that automatic? Why can't we just deliver the baby, pack up the parents and the babies, send them back to their own countries along with the medical bill? I'm sure the hospital bill is hefty, but considering the long term cost, it would be a steal.

 

[MongGrel]

I'm pretty open minded about a lot of things, but even people just flying in from China and paying to have their babies here in the US, even paying their bills with a midwife so they get automatic citizenship on the birth certificate, and flying back afterwards is an issue.

It is another issue along those lines that occurs and has been a business for awhile.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I'm a pretty progressive guy and I say Trump has brought up a valid subject that I'm open to discussion on.

 

[MongGrel]

I'm a pretty progressive guy and I say Trump has brought up a valid subject that I'm open to discussion on.

Even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in awhile.

 

[HomerJS]

Open to idea but crafting is tricky.

Do both parents have to be citizens?

Single woman gets wild on her trip to Spain and gets pregnant. If she keeps her baby it should be a citizen

If only one parent has to be a citizen then new industry may be created. Foreign women getting themselves pregnant by a male citizen

 

[Jhhnn]

So change the Constitution, right? Not likely.

Nativism won't carry us that far. Better to devote efforts to a cause that isn't completely hopeless.

 

[MongGrel]

So change the Constitution, right? Not likely.

Nativism won't carry us that far. Better to devote efforts to a cause that isn't completely hopeless.

Pretty much this. It's not really one of the major problems these days. I've worked with a lot of people in the past with dual Citizenship.

It's not something that would be easy to unravel.

 

[JSt0rm]

all newborn babies shall be placed in the forest for 2 nights and 2 days. Those that survive the ordeal can become true citizens of the new white world order. Those who die are not worthy anyhow.

 

[JSt0rm]

So change the Constitution, right? Not likely.

Nativism won't carry us that far. Better to devote efforts to a cause that isn't completely hopeless.

But they can get people to the polls on these nonsense issues.

 

[squarecut1]

I'm pretty open minded about a lot of things, but even people just flying in from China and paying to have their babies here in the US, even paying their bills with a midwife so they get automatic citizenship on the birth certificate, and flying back afterwards is an issue.

It is another issue along those lines that occurs and has been a business for awhile.

But I don't understand how it is done. From what I understand they don't give visit visas to pregnant women, and even if someone can hide their pregnancy due to being in early stage, the visas typically allow 90 days for any one entry.

But I do agree, this is blatant abuse of the citizenship rule.

 

[Jhhnn]

But I don't understand how it is done. From what I understand they don't give visit visas to pregnant women, and even if someone can hide their pregnancy due to being in early stage, the visas typically allow 90 days for any one entry.

But I do agree, this is blatant abuse of the citizenship rule.

Why is it an issue? Does it happen often enough to establish dread of the yellow peril, or what?

 

[Balt]

Should the US end the practice of giving automatic citizenship to infants...

Probably, but I think it's unlikely to happen since it will require an amendment to the Constitution.

It's probably not as big of a deal as people think, though. In the end of a bunch of the jus soli babies may end up renouncing their U.S. citizenship anyway when they become income-earning adults because of FATCA (if they move back to their parents' native country, that is). If they don't, they are probably here working and contributing to the U.S. economy, which is probably the only way keep paying for things like Social Security.

It does create complications when their parents stay here illegally, though. We are more timid about deporting people (or mothers, at least) if they have AmCit kids at home.

 

[Balt]

But I don't understand how it is done. From what I understand they don't give visit visas to pregnant women, and even if someone can hide their pregnancy due to being in early stage, the visas typically allow 90 days for any one entry.

But I do agree, this is blatant abuse of the citizenship rule.

Pregnancy is not actually a visa ineligibility, though it's a rule that is not applied uniformly and it gets pretty tricky. There are routes to deny a visa based on a visa applicant who may potentially become a public burden or travel for a purpose other than what they've indicated. CBP can also just turn them around at the port of entry if they want.

It gets more complicated than that, but that's the short version.

 

[cyclohexane]

The op is a moron. The 14th amendment guarantees birthright citizenship.

The op must hate the constitution.

 

[JSt0rm]

The op is a moron. The 14th amendment guarantees birthright citizenship.

The op must hate the constitution.

they have a fear that minorities will treat them as badly as they have treated minorities.

 

[ivwshane]

Why is it an issue? Does it happen often enough to establish dread of the yellow peril, or what?

Yeah I don't get what the issue is. It certainly tugs at nativism.

 

[bradly1101]

How we treat others lays bare our ability to inspire, or our isolating disability to do the opposite.

 

[chucky2]

I think it should just be one parent (not donor, it has to be an actual le gal guardian parent) in good standing (cannot be a terrorist or something like that) and anywhere the kid is born it's automagically a US citizen. We'd have to limit it, else we'd get guys intentionally F'ing women who want to get knocked up by an American so they can pump out an American kid. No automagic after say 2nd successful spawn for either male or female unless both parents are US citizen.

That really should take care of any issues I'd think.

 

[SSSnail]

But I don't understand how it is done. From what I understand they don't give visit visas to pregnant women, and even if someone can hide their pregnancy due to being in early stage, the visas typically allow 90 days for any one entry.

But I do agree, this is blatant abuse of the citizenship rule.

There are these "birthing services" around where I live, and they're typically a resident that houses mainland China women. They'd come in their 2nd or early 3rd trimester, because their pregnancies aren't obvious, and by the time they give birth, they're still well within their visa time limit. I think they get temporary work visas where they're "sponsored", so they can stay longer.

Bam, anchor babies.

And the cycle repeats. I can see these women walking in groups to the park, around, etc, and then a new group of pregnant women show up months later...

There have been a few busts of these places in Socal recently, but the business is very lucrative and very difficult to combat, so they persist.

 

[Jhhnn]

There are these "birthing services" around where I live, and they're typically a resident that houses mainland China women. They'd come in their 2nd or early 3rd trimester, because their pregnancies aren't obvious, and by the time they give birth, they're still well within their visa time limit. I think they get temporary work visas where they're "sponsored", so they can stay longer.

Bam, anchor babies.

And the cycle repeats. I can see these women walking in groups to the park, around, etc, and then a new group of pregnant women show up months later...

There have been a few busts of these places in Socal recently, but the business is very lucrative and very difficult to combat, so they persist.

How many instances of this behavior occur on an annual basis and why is it a problem?

I can see the Chinese govt having a problem with it, a loyalty issue wrt the parents, but not us.

 

[Balt]

How many instances of this behavior occur on an annual basis and why is it a problem?

I can see the Chinese govt having a problem with it, a loyalty issue wrt the parents, but not us.

Thousands or tens of thousands of times every year. Whether it's a problem or not depends on your perspective. I don't think it's that big of a deal, but only time will tell. For a country (China) that controls so much of its media, I'm surprised that basically anyone over there can apply for a visa where they can learn about the massacre at Tiananmen Square and the like.

Also: B1/B2 visas out of China now have 10 years of validity. That doesn't mean they can stay 10 years, it means they have the next 10 years to spend in the U.S. for 6 months at a time.

 

[Jhhnn]

Thousands or tens of thousands of times every year. Whether it's a problem or not depends on your perspective. I don't think it's that big of a deal, but only time will tell. For a country (China) that controls so much of its media, I'm surprised that basically anyone over there can apply for a visa where they can learn about the massacre at Tiananmen Square and the like.

Also: B1/B2 visas out of China now have 10 years of validity. That doesn't mean they can stay 10 years, it means they have the next 10 years to spend in the U.S. for 6 months at a time.

And your source is...

 

[sportage]

I'd have to know to what extent this even happens.
It is so easy to think or believe all illegals are taking the jobs and all illegals are collecting social security right off the boat and all illegals are walking into government offices then walking away with buckets full of cash plus food stamps.
This is the mindset that Trump pushes and his followers eat it up like candy.
And they are convinced that no one in America has a job under Obama.
And Trump people are convinced ISIS strolls down every neighborhood, knows where you live, and knows the name of each and every child you have.
If things were actually as bad as Trump supporters believe, Trumpers frankly doing quite well under evil Obama, if things were as bad as they think and Trump tells them then we'd all be marching in the streets.
But instead we're buying cars, going to work every day, buying houses, buying lots of toys and gadgets, searching for Pokemon, and basically have a pretty good time.
And best of all, wasting a lot of time posting here.

 

[Balt]

And your source is...

My source of what? Visa validity? Check state.gov reciprocity schedules.

If you're wondering about the number of children born to Chinese citizens in the USA, submit a FOIA request asking how many children were issued CRBAs and passports to parents from the PRC. I wouldn't share that here, even if I had the number.

 

[Jhhnn]

My source of what? Visa validity? Check state.gov reciprocity schedules.

If you're wondering about the number of children born to Chinese citizens in the USA, submit a FOIA request asking how many children were issued CRBAs and passports to parents from the PRC. I wouldn't share that here, even if I had the number.

It's your assertion & your responsibility to back it up, not mine. Until you do the claim is suspect, to say the least.