Should the US abolish the Federal Reserve?

[LegendKiller]

Originally posted by: DasFox

Originally posted by: LegendKiller

Originally posted by: DasFox
Look at History people and see what Woodrow Wilson said when he handed over the Federal Reserve and created the Act!

The richest elite of the world own the Federal Reserve!

Every bank in this country owns the Fed, do you read? You wonder why this country is in trouble? Gross ignorance such as your own.

You shouldn't lash out and call ignorance to anyone...

Do you know anything about the history of the Rothchilds?

Every bank owns the Feds that's funny, you do not know the history of the Federal Reserve Act and who President Wilson signed it over to, and what he said, because if you did, then you wouldn't of made that statement.

The only ignorance here is what the media and system has fed you...

So what about the Rothschilds? It's convenient to blame the jews, isn't it?

It is ignorance to call into question everything that is reality and truth in favor of a conspiracy theory, blaming everything on the Rothschilds or the Warbungs.

I do know the history and I know how the Fed works, which is why I can make that statement.

What is funny is that you can sit around saying that you know something that only a select few think they know as fact. That you somehow think you are right in opposition of all evidence. That you claim to be educated, yet you ignore all other facets of hte argument, only pointing out some Illuminatti conspiracy. Then, you provide no solid evidence of such except for Youtube videos or crazy websites.

You wonder why you people are marginalized, it's because you can't even convince people like me, who are skepticle and cynical of nearly everything. If you can't convince me, then how will you ever convince J6P. You trip over your wangs with the trash you post and that is why you are marginalized and only hurt the cause for meaningful change.

You do more damage to the cause of meaningful change than those who outright oppose you. Trust me, if you wouldn't result to Rothschild arguments, or Wilsonian quotes and actually provided evidence that the Fed is not owned by individual banks, I'd be willing to listen.

Yet, anybody who really, truly, knows how the Fed works, knows that each regional Fed is owned by the banks within that region. Nobody has been able to disprove this, you guys just keep saying "but but but but...its THE JEWS!"

Please.

 

[DasFox]

LegendKiller ONE simple question, the knowledge that you seem to possess, where does your knowledge come from?

Meaning in what way over your years of education, and studies where did you gather your information?

UNDERSTANDING how our news, media and educational institutes work is key to understanding how to obtain REAL knowledge.

 

[DasFox]

I've seen years and years of evidence from leading professors from our top universities, leading financial business executives, lawyers, and many other professionals more then you can shake a stick at, also from our government branches such as the IRS testifying over the financial institution of America.

The evidence that is out there if you only looked and digged for it is overwhelming, and very damming, but to many people are afraid to swallow it once they see it, that's the problem!

Evidence HELL there is over 100 years of evidence even spoken of by our founding fathers in regards to the matters of money and the corruption and the Federal Reserve.

 

[DasFox]

Oh by the way I'm not blaming any Jews, there is more to it then that...

Yet, anybody who really, truly, knows how the Fed works, knows that each regional Fed is owned by the banks within that region. Nobody has been able to disprove this.

SURE that is how the system is set in place, banks don't own the Feds, plain and simple, and if you want proof go back and start learning about 100 years of American history and the Federal Reserve....

Now what, you are going to trust the history of over 100 years of our country and former presidents who talk about this?

 

[LegendKiller]

Originally posted by: DasFox
LegendKiller ONE simple question, the knowledge that you seem to possess, where does your knowledge come from?

Meaning in what way over your years of education, and studies where did you gather your information?

UNDERSTANDING how our news, media and educational institutes work is key to understanding how to obtain REAL knowledge.

Because the "real" knowledge lies in whackjob books? How do you know they don't have their own agenda? Their own reason? Their own lies? How do you know they are true? Can you trust anything out there if you provide no evidence?

Which is why you'll never be able to convince anybody of anything. The sooner you stop being a looney, the better the situation will become. Until such a time that you stop blathering like a fool, you will be reduced to the fringe. Nobody wants to hear conspiracies, or *everything* is wrong but your own information. Nobody will think that 99% of the world is ignorant and only you, that 1%, is right. Especially when all you can do to point out their "wrongness" is to say that everything they know is wrong, which is your only evidence that they are wrong.

See, if all of humanity is nothing but a spectrum of people, a distribution, then there are 5% that are your antithesis. Both of you are fringe, and you'll never convince the 90% of anything.

Your "REAL" knowledge means nothing when you have nothing to prove that I am incorrect other than to say that everything I know is incorrect without evidence to support that.

What strikes me as ultimately funny and ironic, is that you're nothing more than the same type of person who believes in Creationism. Personally, I don't, not in the literal Biblical sense. However, what you essentially do is say that contrary to fossil records, DNA, and all scientific fact, you *KNOW* that God created the world in 7 days a few thousand years ago.

You say that the Bible says it, so it *must* be true. You say that your YouTube videos and whackjob books are essentially the Bible and people need to ignore everything to the contrary.

It's just that the Catholic church had a monopoly on the ignorance of man for over a thousand years. Now it's a bit harder to get away with it.

Good luck with your "REAL" knowledge, because it's nothing more than faith, which is impossible to prove. Keep to your version of Creationism though, in fact, please build a museum to it like those whackjobs did, that way you will provide us with more amusement to your utter foolishness.

 

[DasFox]

I'm not talking about conspiracies, GO back and study the history of the USA over the past 100 years with the Federal Reserve, and see what Ben Franklin and Abe Lincoln had to say, to name a few, NOBLE figures in our American history.

Nobody here is spewing crap, you said you wanted something, I gave you a little of something, you NEED to go back and look at the USA history over the Federal reserve actually more then 100 years, from the time of Ben Franklin.

The TRUTH in the history of the Federal Reserve with our fore fathers is there.

I'm not here to convince anyone, you just said give you something, now I did, so now you are going to call it CRAP without doing any research?

Who now is ignorant?

 

[DasFox]

Now you are making it sound like you are the ONLY one with any answers and if we all don't agree to your side then we are all idiots? Who now is not trying to be fair here with information?

You wanted something, so I gave it to you, now all you're going to do is just keep babbling on?

I think maybe you are not willing to do any homework and research this, I think you believe to much in yourself and the BS the system has fed you, and anyone else with another opinion to the story is a fool.

Didn't your mother tell you not to believe everything you see and hear, NOW that holds true for what I'm saying, BUT if you really want to take THOSE words to HEART then that is also true for what you have learned your whole life by the educational systems in America and the media!

Let's be FAIR and HONEST here!

The truth is out there, BUT are you REALLY willing to look?

 

[LegendKiller]

Originally posted by: DasFox
I'm not talking about conspiracies, GO back and study the history of the USA over the past 100 years with the Federal Reserve, and see what Ben Franklin and Abe Lincoln had to say, to name a few, NOBLE figures in our American history.

Nobody here is spewing crap, you said you wanted something, I gave you a little of something, you NEED to go back and look at the USA history over the Federal reserve actually more then 100 years, from the time of Ben Franklin.

The TRUTH in the history of the Federal Reserve with our fore fathers is there.

I'm not here to convince anyone, you just said give you something, now I did, so now you are going to call it CRAP without doing any research?

Who now is ignorant?

So are you saying that if we strictly followed the Constitution, the writing of prior people, and stayed with the gold system, with USN rather than FRNs, we would be better off? We would still be an economic power and we'd somehow be completely free of your supposed influences?

Are you saying that the people before us were infallable and knew everything?


How interesting.

 

[DasFox]

Look LETS stop all the BS and ranting, go READ about American HISTORY over the Federal Reserve and the Presidents it effected.

Good GOD man, give it a REST!

WHAT don't you think in American history you can't find the REAL TRUTH?

THAT is all I'm saying further, there is REAL truth you can find, and now you are saying you can't find any real truth in our history?

What are you saying now, are you contradicting yourself now, that you were never taught any truth in School?

ALL I'm saying is if you CARE to listen, GO find REAL professors and scholars in America that will show you the truth, it's there!

I'm done!

 

[LegendKiller]

Originally posted by: DasFox
Look LETS stop all the BS and ranting, go READ about American HISTORY over the Federal Reserve and the Presidents it effected.

Good GOD man, give it a REST!

WHAT don't you think in American history you can't find the REAL TRUTH?

THAT is all I'm saying further, there is REAL truth you can find, and now you are saying you can't find any real truth in our history?

What are you saying now, are you contradicting yourself now, that you were never taught any truth in School?

ALL I'm saying is if you CARE to listen, GO find REAL professors and scholars in America that will show you the truth, it's there!

I'm done!

Again, I know the history, I have read many many many books, I have had about a dozen or so economics classes, covering everything. I have an undergrad in history, as well has reading dozens of books. I was taught plenty of truth in school, in as much as it's been corroborated by most other books that I judge reasonable.

You claim that I should go read and find your "truth" but when I balance your "truth" against everything else, I find it lacking any balance and "truth". Thus, your version of "truth" isn't one that is sustained by any real evidence. Yet you undermine it and only accept it as the only version of facts that exist.

Your way of undermining what you see as wrong is to say that it's false and that I should go read more of your books, take just as unbalanced POV as you have. Sorry sparky, I won't do that. My way of learning has proved pretty fricking successful for me.

But please, go ahead, keep on being a fringe person who says that nothing is real. The longer you do that, the longer that you stay marginalized. What would truly be scary is if you stopped being fringe.

 

[event8horizon]

holly shit guys...look at what i just saw in the news.

OPEC Interested in Non-Dollar Currency
Sunday November 18, 6:46 pm ET
By Sebastian Abbot, Associated Press Writer
Ahmadinejad: OPEC Members Interested in Converting Cash Reserves Into Non-Dollar Currency


heres the full article

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/071118/opec.html

the dollar is, of coarse, the reserve currency of the world (because oil is traded on dollars) check out ron pauls speech about the end to dollar hegemony.....damn....iraq swithced to the euro then we invaded them.....other reasons as well of coarse. even alan greenspan in his new book commented: ?I am saddened that it is politically inconvenient to acknowledge what everyone knows: the Iraq war is largely about oil,? he says.

heres ron paul speech about the end of dollar hegemony

http://video.google.com/videop...d=-8327695139643041382

ill be back to talk with legend later....good thread....we'll discuss the fed some more later
later

 

[tehach]

Originally posted by: SSSnail
What are you guys arguing about? Money? Third world countries?

Man, to be honest, i couldn't distinguish the differences between downtown LA, its metro and that of Mexico City, Sao Paulo, Bogota, etc... Everywhere I go, my money is worth less and less, and the economic status in those aforementioned places mirrored that of the US. Cost of goods are sky rocketed, balance of class is nonexistence, there are only the haves and have-nots. Hey, pretty much like the US.

I can't believe that there are people sitting there and still saying that our economic status is not degrading. Yes, I do have a roof over my head; yes, I drive a car, albeit not fancy; yes, I can put food on my family (sorry, can't help myself), but the kicker is that I alone make more than the majority of the families in this country, and I barely get by. I don't live lavishly like you think I should be able to, so through my personal observation and experience, I can say that middle class is dead.

One of these days, we should all wake up and see the truth for what it really is, and that's this country, while *still* is an economic power, is fast on the decline. Blindfolds anyone?

I keep reading these type of "the US is a 3rd world country" posts....I have lived in Ecuador for 11 of the last 12 months, previously lived in Los Angeles, now living in South Carolina...Sorry, the US is not 3rd world, not even close....not even close.

 

[Dissipate]

Originally posted by: LegendKiller
I was taught plenty of truth in school, in as much as it's been corroborated by most other books that I judge reasonable.

What is taught in schools today is nothing but falsehoods and fantasies. Do you know who wrote the #1 economics textbook which used to be used at Ivy League universities as well as many others? None other than John Maynard Keynes whose theories have now been just about completely discredited. At the highest levels of academia Keynes' work was judged to be reasonable.

My way of learning has proved pretty fricking successful for me.

Learning what the academic establishment is teaching has brought great success for many people, regardless of the fact that it is entirely false.

 

[rchiu]

Originally posted by: DasFox
Look at History people and see what Woodrow Wilson said when he handed over the Federal Reserve and created the Act!

The richest elite of the world own the Federal Reserve!

Haha, that's how capitalism work, everything from Fed to the government to everything in our life are owned by rich elite. So let's abolish everything, take it from Lenin and Mao, it will be a better world after that.

 

[LegendKiller]

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: LegendKiller
I was taught plenty of truth in school, in as much as it's been corroborated by most other books that I judge reasonable.

What is taught in schools today is nothing but falsehoods and fantasies. Do you know who wrote the #1 economics textbook which used to be used at Ivy League universities as well as many others? None other than John Maynard Keynes whose theories have now been just about completely discredited. At the highest levels of academia Keynes' work was judged to be reasonable.

My way of learning has proved pretty fricking successful for me.

Learning what the academic establishment is teaching has brought great success for many people, regardless of the fact that it is entirely false.

lol, again, just the reason why you people are minimized.

I also like how people think economics should be cemented. This isn't the periodic tables, it's all theoretical and very volatile. Why? Because you don't have to worry about human psychology in the periodic table.

 

[CitizenKain]

Originally posted by: rchiu

Originally posted by: DasFox
Look at History people and see what Woodrow Wilson said when he handed over the Federal Reserve and created the Act!

The richest elite of the world own the Federal Reserve!

Haha, that's how capitalism work, everything from Fed to the government to everything in our life are owned by rich elite. So let's abolish everything, take it from Lenin and Mao, it will be a better world after that.

Yes, and the piles of corpses are something to really look forward too.

I'm confused DasFox, are you saying the Founding Fathers had a problem with the Federal Reserve? The same founding fathers who died more then 100 years before the foundation of the Federal Reserve?

What exactly is your evidence? You claim you have The Truth, you don't post anything to actually shore up your evidence. Instead, you yammer on claiming everything yet posting nothing. So, way to shore up your argument.

 

[SSSnail]

Originally posted by: tehach

Originally posted by: SSSnail
What are you guys arguing about? Money? Third world countries?

Man, to be honest, i couldn't distinguish the differences between downtown LA, its metro and that of Mexico City, Sao Paulo, Bogota, etc... Everywhere I go, my money is worth less and less, and the economic status in those aforementioned places mirrored that of the US. Cost of goods are sky rocketed, balance of class is nonexistence, there are only the haves and have-nots. Hey, pretty much like the US.

I can't believe that there are people sitting there and still saying that our economic status is not degrading. Yes, I do have a roof over my head; yes, I drive a car, albeit not fancy; yes, I can put food on my family (sorry, can't help myself), but the kicker is that I alone make more than the majority of the families in this country, and I barely get by. I don't live lavishly like you think I should be able to, so through my personal observation and experience, I can say that middle class is dead.

One of these days, we should all wake up and see the truth for what it really is, and that's this country, while *still* is an economic power, is fast on the decline. Blindfolds anyone?

I keep reading these type of "the US is a 3rd world country" posts....I have lived in Ecuador for 11 of the last 12 months, previously lived in Los Angeles, now living in South Carolina...Sorry, the US is not 3rd world, not even close....not even close.

You are right that the US is not yet a 3rd world country, it's GETTING there. That's the point I've been trying to make.

You obviously haven't been to parts of the US where people live in shanties, faming, and poverty. It resembles that of the more prevalent conditions in actual 3rd world countries. With economic conditions right now, believe me that many families are on the verge of being in the same situation. That roof over their head? Everything that they have? Yes, it's just a paycheck away from being where they don't want to be. You think I'm exaggerating?

We don't really want to wait until the water gets to our nose before we act now do we? Why can't we recognize a problem and make aware of it? Find a way to fix it, before it's too late.

You are right that we're not yet a 3rd world countries, not yet.

 

[Dissipate]

Originally posted by: LegendKiller

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: LegendKiller
I was taught plenty of truth in school, in as much as it's been corroborated by most other books that I judge reasonable.

What is taught in schools today is nothing but falsehoods and fantasies. Do you know who wrote the #1 economics textbook which used to be used at Ivy League universities as well as many others? None other than John Maynard Keynes whose theories have now been just about completely discredited. At the highest levels of academia Keynes' work was judged to be reasonable.

My way of learning has proved pretty fricking successful for me.

Learning what the academic establishment is teaching has brought great success for many people, regardless of the fact that it is entirely false.

lol, again, just the reason why you people are minimized.

I also like how people think economics should be cemented. This isn't the periodic tables, it's all theoretical and very volatile. Why? Because you don't have to worry about human psychology in the periodic table.

If that's the case, why are you touting your educational 'background' and books? Time to start making your own arguments.

 

[LegendKiller]

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: LegendKiller

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: LegendKiller
I was taught plenty of truth in school, in as much as it's been corroborated by most other books that I judge reasonable.

What is taught in schools today is nothing but falsehoods and fantasies. Do you know who wrote the #1 economics textbook which used to be used at Ivy League universities as well as many others? None other than John Maynard Keynes whose theories have now been just about completely discredited. At the highest levels of academia Keynes' work was judged to be reasonable.

My way of learning has proved pretty fricking successful for me.

Learning what the academic establishment is teaching has brought great success for many people, regardless of the fact that it is entirely false.

lol, again, just the reason why you people are minimized.

I also like how people think economics should be cemented. This isn't the periodic tables, it's all theoretical and very volatile. Why? Because you don't have to worry about human psychology in the periodic table.

If that's the case, why are you touting your educational 'background' and books? Time to start making your own arguments.

Because there are people who aren't looneys and are willing to listen to reason. Obviously my education and knowledge has no use for you, since you are so fringe that you think you're the very small minority to know the "truth" (that's called dillusional thinking).

 

[Dissipate]

Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Because there are people who aren't looneys and are willing to listen to reason. Obviously my education and knowledge has no use for you, since you are so fringe that you think you're the very small minority to know the "truth" (that's called dillusional thinking).

A few hundred years ago people who didn't believe in kings were 'fringe looneys.' My line of thinking is just one evolution of thought away. In fact, my line of thinking is growing rapidly on the Internet. The truth is the truth, it is not a popularity contest.

Your 'education and knowledge' came from people with agendas. They have sold you on a mythology that is so twisted and ingrained in your little 'educated' head, that if it were ever to become untwisted your 'educated' head might just explode.

I think this one applies to you:

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[Delita]

Originally posted by: DasFox


The truth is out there, BUT are you REALLY willing to look?

*cue X-Files theme 😕

Wow P&N is full of crazies.
Apparently instead of a formal education I can find REAL knowledge in the form of YouTube videos. Understanding here I come!

Originally posted by: w33dsm0k3r-420-
Don't believe me? Then check out this YouTube Link. ZOMG PROOF!!!

I really don't understand how reasonable, logical people can believe these whackjob theories. But, I guess I'm starting with a faulty assumption that these are reasonable, logical people.

 

[LegendKiller]

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Because there are people who aren't looneys and are willing to listen to reason. Obviously my education and knowledge has no use for you, since you are so fringe that you think you're the very small minority to know the "truth" (that's called dillusional thinking).

A few hundred years ago people who didn't believe in kings were 'fringe looneys.' My line of thinking is just one evolution of thought away. In fact, my line of thinking is growing rapidly on the Internet. The truth is the truth, it is not a popularity contest.

Your 'education and knowledge' came from people with agendas. They have sold you on a mythology that is so twisted and ingrained in your little 'educated' head, that if it were ever to become untwisted your 'educated' head might just explode.

I think this one applies to you:

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Yet again, your lack of reading comprehension fails you. Never have I disputed that this government is not representative of us. Never have I disputed that we need massive change.

However, what I have disputed time and again is the notion that the Fed is controlled by foreigners, is out to "rob" us, or many of the other crazy ideas invented. You think you are some type of free thinking and that only you know the "truth", sorry, but I think you have faith in something you cannot prove unless you attempt to disprove everything I know, without solid grounding in reality. Again, it's like you are a creationist and your "truth" is that God exists (or your conspiracy exists). I am an evolutionist who thinks it doesn't. All of the facts back me up, but the way you undermine me is by saying that my facts are crap and only you know the truth.

Your truth is difficult to prove and you have no evidence. You spout philosophical bullshit and claim that I am ingrained and brainwashed. Yet, you *STILL* have no proof. I have shot down every piece of "proof" on this thread, repeatedly.

No, what this really is is that you miscategorize the problems, as uneducated people often do. It is akin to seamonsters being attributed to ship sinkings rather than tsunamis or other natural events. Your lack of education glaringly shows that not only do you not understand how things work, but you also cannot face the reality that the only true reason why these problems exist is not because of the Fed, but because of the non representative government we have.

So go ahead, think you are so enlightened. Bash down the doors of the Fed in your zeal to destroy what you think is the problem. Let the real problem fester, and then, fail to convince reasonable men about shadowy organizations while you appear to be a fool. Attempt to undermine what has proven credible while not undermining what has been proven false.

If Ron Paul stuck to his guns about attacking the shams that Guiliani, Clinton, McCain, Obama, and others are, rather than attacking what he doesn't understand, perhaps he would become much more mainstream a lot faster. Just the same, if you and your ilk attacked not the Fed, but the false "representatives", then you might get more support.

 

[CitizenKain]

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Because there are people who aren't looneys and are willing to listen to reason. Obviously my education and knowledge has no use for you, since you are so fringe that you think you're the very small minority to know the "truth" (that's called dillusional thinking).

A few hundred years ago people who didn't believe in kings were 'fringe looneys.' My line of thinking is just one evolution of thought away. In fact, my line of thinking is growing rapidly on the Internet. The truth is the truth, it is not a popularity contest.

Your 'education and knowledge' came from people with agendas. They have sold you on a mythology that is so twisted and ingrained in your little 'educated' head, that if it were ever to become untwisted your 'educated' head might just explode.

I think this one applies to you:

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Your 'education and knowledge' came from people without agendas and with only the good of mankind in their thoughts, right? Because you have a youtube link from some random nutbar. Wow, such evidence, and you have people on the Internet agreeing with you, astounding.

 

[Dissipate]

Originally posted by: CitizenKain
Your 'education and knowledge' came from people without agendas and with only the good of mankind in their thoughts, right? Because you have a youtube link from some random nutbar. Wow, such evidence, and you have people on the Internet agreeing with you, astounding.

When did I say that my education wasn't from people with agendas? Of course it was. I spent 18 years in the public indoctrination center called K-12 and then another 4 years at a 'public' university. By the time I was about 19 or 20 I started to see through the fantasies and mythologies practiced and advocated by these 'intellectuals.' Fortunately, I did computer science in college which is a mathematically and experimentally verifiable discipline.

That 'random nutbar' is explaining the process of indoctrination that all mentally enslaved people like yourself go through as children. Yes your parents didn't tell you the truth, yes you live and work on a state owned and operated virtual plantation by people who enjoy controlling you and garnishing your wages. So have fun and enjoy your ignorance!

 

[CitizenKain]

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: CitizenKain
Your 'education and knowledge' came from people without agendas and with only the good of mankind in their thoughts, right? Because you have a youtube link from some random nutbar. Wow, such evidence, and you have people on the Internet agreeing with you, astounding.

When did I say that my education wasn't from people with agendas? Of course it was. I spent 18 years in the public indoctrination center called K-12 and then another 4 years at a 'public' university. By the time I was about 19 or 20 I started to see through the fantasies and mythologies practiced and advocated by these 'intellectuals.' Fortunately, I did computer science in college which is a mathematically and experimentally verifiable discipline.

That 'random nutbar' is explaining the process of indoctrination that all mentally enslaved people like yourself go through as children. Yes your parents didn't tell you the truth, yes you live and work on a state owned and operated virtual plantation by people who enjoy controlling you and garnishing your wages. So have fun and enjoy your ignorance!

Yes yes, the college anarchist with all the answers, never saw that one before. Yes, only you saw the truth in the system that everyone else ignored.