Should the u.s unleash it's "mad dog"

[envy me]

Originally posted by: Meuge
So you're saying that a Department Of State report is equivalent in its weight and veracity to small French (!) newspapers. That goes back to my previous point - if quantity equals quality, then denying Holocaust is simply the matter of linking the million webpages that talk about it.

Since you admit that I won't change your mind, regardless of what evidence I present, then what is the point of me arguing with you? I don't experience bliss from reading my own writing or hearing my own voice.

1. the BBC is not a small French newspaper lol

2. Quantity does not equal Quality -- But I hardly doubt that a Western government agency would have more information on European racism than any European agencies. Who's to say that some of the hoaxes mentioned above were not included in that report.

3. This is the third time I am asking you... where have I made any untrue claims.

 

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Should the u.s unleash it's "mad dog" on Iran ?



Would that be Tom Cruise ?

:laugh: good one

 

[JEDIYoda]

Just the fact you started this thread shows how much you actually don`t know about history after ww2.....or for that matter even during ww2.

Its easy to make unsubstantiated claims.

I also know first hand what I am talking about.

I own property and homes in Poland and I am a Jew....so go figure.

 

[marincounty]

quote:
WOOT! The AntiSemite Card... I knew it would be played eventually .. And to answer your question I am Polish, born there. So Yes, I have lived somewhere that didn't have a large percentage of racist people that disliked Isreal (I do not like the term Anti-Semite, I think that term is racist in itself)

quote:
Nope... European, living happily in Canada Roman Catholic (Although I havent been to church in a while)

Hey envy me,
You say you lived somewhere that didn't have a large percentage of racist people that disliked Israel. Where was this?
Poland was the probably the most anti-jewish country in the world pre-WW2. They couldn't do enough to help the nazis kill jews. There are entire villages that are gone,
all of the people murdered. Some concentration camp survivors made their way back home to Poland only to be murdered by their nice Catholic neighbors.
I think your upbringing in Poland has warped your mind.

 

[envy me]

Originally posted by: marincounty
quote:
WOOT! The AntiSemite Card... I knew it would be played eventually .. And to answer your question I am Polish, born there. So Yes, I have lived somewhere that didn't have a large percentage of racist people that disliked Isreal (I do not like the term Anti-Semite, I think that term is racist in itself)

quote:
Nope... European, living happily in Canada Roman Catholic (Although I havent been to church in a while)

Hey envy me,
You say you lived somewhere that didn't have a large percentage of racist people that disliked Israel. Where was this?
Poland was the probably the most anti-jewish country in the world pre-WW2. They couldn't do enough to help the nazis kill jews. There are entire villages that are gone,
all of the people murdered. Some concentration camp survivors made their way back home to Poland only to be murdered by their nice Catholic neighbors.
I think your upbringing in Poland has warped your mind.

Exactly.. A majority of the Polish population was jewish at the time. But I am not talking about Pre WW2. I am talking about present day times. A majority of the people killed were Polish. I am Polish! I know all about the hollocaust, and I know that post WW2 there is great sympathy for what had happened to the victims of Hitler, including the jewish people. It was a very dark time for everyone involved and I am pretty sure that present day Germany wants to present an image of itself that they understand what had happened and will never tollerate such ignorance again, which is why they are more strict about hate crimes.

 

[envy me]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
Just the fact you started this thread shows how much you actually don`t know about history after ww2.....or for that matter even during ww2.

Its easy to make unsubstantiated claims.

I also know first hand what I am talking about.

I own property and homes in Poland and I am a Jew....so go figure.

Was your comment directed towards the op or me?

 

[azazyel]

Originally posted by: DrCrap


Personaly I'm one of the last ones to criticize U.S for its action in the region. Israel sees U.S as its strongest (in terms of friendship) ally, so on this issue I didn't mean to criticize, but was just illustrating a point, that 'you' can't call us brutal while doing the same or 'worse'.
Having said that, I must say that criticism is important especially among friends, then you know things are said out of concern and not out of hate!

Yeah, it's really great that our "friend" is selling arms and military equipment to China. Thanks for helping China with one of the biggest military build ups since Japan in the 30's!

 

[Meuge]

Originally posted by: envy me
Exactly.. A majority of the Polish population was jewish at the time.

Come again?

Originally posted by: envy me
I am talking about present day times. A majority of the people killed were Polish.

No they weren't.

Originally posted by: envy me
I am Polish! I know all about the hollocaust, and I know that post WW2 there is great sympathy for what had happened to the victims of Hitler, including the jewish people.

I usually hear it phrased that way from people who want to diminish the horror of what happened to Jews in particular. Yes other died, but no other nationality was targeted for total annihilation, and lost 50% of the population.

Originally posted by: envy me
It was a very dark time for everyone involved and I am pretty sure that present day Germany wants to present an image of itself that they understand what had happened and will never tollerate such ignorance again, which is why they are more strict about hate crimes.

And yet the current data stands.

 

[envy me]

Originally posted by: Meuge

Originally posted by: envy me
Exactly.. A majority of the Polish population was jewish at the time.

Come again?

... During WW2 A MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE LIVING IN POLAND WERE JEWISH

Originally posted by: envy me
I am talking about present day times. A majority of the people killed were Polish.

No they weren't.

Hitler started exterminating jews when he invaded Poland; a country with a high jewish population at that time?

Originally posted by: envy me
I am Polish! I know all about the hollocaust, and I know that post WW2 there is great sympathy for what had happened to the victims of Hitler, including the jewish people.

I usually hear it phrased that way from people who want to diminish the horror of what happened to Jews in particular. Yes other died, but no other nationality was targeted for total annihilation, and lost 50% of the population.
I wasn't diminishing anything. You are just being self-centered.

Originally posted by: envy me
It was a very dark time for everyone involved and I am pretty sure that present day Germany wants to present an image of itself that they understand what had happened and will never tollerate such ignorance again, which is why they are more strict about hate crimes.

And yet the current data stands.

..???


BTW I'm having some troubles quoting properly too.

 

[piasabird]

Bomb them like we did Kosavo. Just take out their new Nuclear facility. Should only take a few bunker busters.

We are too nice to rogue Muslim Nations. They want the bomb so lets give it to them.

Bomb the hell out of them.

 

[envy me]

Originally posted by: piasabird
Bomb them like we did Kosavo. Just take out their new Nuclear facility. Should only take a few bunker busters.

We are too nice to rogue Muslim Nations. They want the bomb so lets give it to them.

Bomb the hell out of them.

Pictures of Life in Tehran

They may be an enemy nation of the US. But they are also civilized people. Tehran is a more developed city then even some American cities. Bombing the crap out of the country shouldn't be an option just because they have a bad government. Government and Religion aside, you actually think that civilian life is that much different from us or some of our allies?

I don't think that they would iniate a conflict even if they had nuclear weapons because that would mean their ultimate destruction and I don't think the civilians of Iran would want that.

 

[azazyel]

Originally posted by: piasabird
Bomb them like we did Kosavo. Just take out their new Nuclear facility. Should only take a few bunker busters.

We are too nice to rogue Muslim Nations. They want the bomb so lets give it to them.

Bomb the hell out of them.

Rogue nation? What are talking about. Up until the Iraq invasion we had good relations with Iran. They even supported us in the invasion of Afghanistan. Then of course when we went into Iraq they went for a nationalistic president.

 

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: envy me

Originally posted by: piasabird
Bomb them like we did Kosavo. Just take out their new Nuclear facility. Should only take a few bunker busters.

We are too nice to rogue Muslim Nations. They want the bomb so lets give it to them.

Bomb the hell out of them.

Pictures of Life in Tehran

They may be an enemy nation of the US. But they are also civilized people. Tehran is a more developed city then even some American cities. Bombing the crap out of the country shouldn't be an option just because they have a bad government. Government and Religion aside, you actually think that civilian life is that much different from us or some of our allies?

I don't think that they would iniate a conflict even if they had nuclear weapons because that would mean their ultimate destruction and I don't think the civilians of Iran would want that.

Yes civilian life is different. There is no freedom of religion, speech or the press. And those are nice selected pictures. All of Iran is not that wealthy.

 

[Meuge]

Originally posted by: azazyel

Originally posted by: piasabird
Bomb them like we did Kosavo. Just take out their new Nuclear facility. Should only take a few bunker busters.

We are too nice to rogue Muslim Nations. They want the bomb so lets give it to them.

Bomb the hell out of them.

Rogue nation? What are talking about. Up until the Iraq invasion we had good relations with Iran. They even supported us in the invasion of Afghanistan. Then of course when we went into Iraq they went for a nationalistic president.

Do you really think that there are fair elections in Iran?

 

[envy me]

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: envy me

Originally posted by: piasabird
Bomb them like we did Kosavo. Just take out their new Nuclear facility. Should only take a few bunker busters.

We are too nice to rogue Muslim Nations. They want the bomb so lets give it to them.

Bomb the hell out of them.

Pictures of Life in Tehran

They may be an enemy nation of the US. But they are also civilized people. Tehran is a more developed city then even some American cities. Bombing the crap out of the country shouldn't be an option just because they have a bad government. Government and Religion aside, you actually think that civilian life is that much different from us or some of our allies?

I don't think that they would iniate a conflict even if they had nuclear weapons because that would mean their ultimate destruction and I don't think the civilians of Iran would want that.

Yes civilian life is different. There is no freedom of religion, speech or the press. And those are nice selected pictures. All of Iran is not that wealthy.

All of Iran isn't that wealthy, you can say that about any city in America. Not every city is the same. Some are terrible for crime, some are more civilized than others. It's like that in every country. Who are we to invade because we don't like the fact that they don't have freedom of press or religion? There are other countries in the same situation.

 

[envy me]

Originally posted by: Meuge

Originally posted by: azazyel

Originally posted by: piasabird
Bomb them like we did Kosavo. Just take out their new Nuclear facility. Should only take a few bunker busters.

We are too nice to rogue Muslim Nations. They want the bomb so lets give it to them.

Bomb the hell out of them.

Rogue nation? What are talking about. Up until the Iraq invasion we had good relations with Iran. They even supported us in the invasion of Afghanistan. Then of course when we went into Iraq they went for a nationalistic president.

Do you really think that there are fair elections in Iran?

Do you really think that there are fair elections in America?

*cough* DIEBOLD SCANDAL *cough*

 

[narcotic]

Originally posted by: envy me
Pictures of Life in Tehran

They may be an enemy nation of the US. But they are also civilized people. Tehran is a more developed city then even some American cities. Bombing the crap out of the country shouldn't be an option just because they have a bad government. Government and Religion aside, you actually think that civilian life is that much different from us or some of our allies?

I don't think that they would iniate a conflict even if they had nuclear weapons because that would mean their ultimate destruction and I don't think the civilians of Iran would want that.

Hmm... I know you said you're european or whatever, by now I'm pretty much convinced you're an arab, which is fine, but why not just say it? I mean your opinion is clear, and I'm not going to think of you any less (well, its not really possible you see..) if I knew you're an arab.
That aside, you are a very uneducated man at the very least, and very dumb at a more probable scenario.
You really think life in Iran (or any other muslim country) is by any means similar to western life?! If you do, then you have no idea what's going on in these countries, I would give you links so you would believe me, but I think you've already proven you can manipulate google fairly well, so why won't you go a head and do some searches, if you're still not convinced after that, come back here, and I'll be forced to humiliate you with some nice links.

 

[azazyel]

Originally posted by: Meuge

Originally posted by: azazyel

Originally posted by: piasabird
Bomb them like we did Kosavo. Just take out their new Nuclear facility. Should only take a few bunker busters.

We are too nice to rogue Muslim Nations. They want the bomb so lets give it to them.

Bomb the hell out of them.

Rogue nation? What are talking about. Up until the Iraq invasion we had good relations with Iran. They even supported us in the invasion of Afghanistan. Then of course when we went into Iraq they went for a nationalistic president.

Do you really think that there are fair elections in Iran?

Yes I do but their choices are largely dictated to them.

In 2001, Iranians had demonstrated in support of the United States after 9/11, and in successive elections, a moderate presidential candidate had carried 70 percent of the vote. The Tehran mullahs were on the ropes.

But with Bush declaring Iran an "axis-of-evil" nation, which was to be denied, even if it meant preventive war, any nuclear program or weapon of mass destruction, Iranians responded as nationalists. A hardliner won the presidency, and Tehran's defiance is now a popular policy. Meanwhile, the U.S. threat of military strikes to effect the nuclear castration of Iran becomes less and less credible the longer the war next door goes on


http://www.theamericancause.org/a-pjb-051026-2000dead.htm

 

[narcotic]

Originally posted by: azazyel

Originally posted by: piasabird
Bomb them like we did Kosavo. Just take out their new Nuclear facility. Should only take a few bunker busters.

We are too nice to rogue Muslim Nations. They want the bomb so lets give it to them.

Bomb the hell out of them.

Rogue nation? What are talking about. Up until the Iraq invasion we had good relations with Iran. They even supported us in the invasion of Afghanistan. Then of course when we went into Iraq they went for a nationalistic president.

Yes! great, aren't you the smart one? If I'm not wrong (and I'm not, so don't bother checking), we had full diplomatic relationship with Iraq prior to the GW-I, I think April Glaspie (or something like that) was the U.S. ambassador. Alas, our great friends, decided to go bad... Now, assuming you are right, and I'm wrong.. And assuming Israel wouldn't have made a preemptive strike on Iraqi's nuclear facilities, then what? Then we would've faced not only a crazy maniac, but a maniac with nukes. Is your brain large enough to do the math here? I wouldn't bet on it...
So, now, here comes Mr. I'm smarter than all of you, and claims Iran is our friend...
Yeah sure they are, and they also probably only want the nukes for "peaceful" purposes.
PLEASE, do not make any bigger fool of yourself than what you already have.

 

[narcotic]

Just to clarify the issue, and the point of this thread. My opinion is obvious, Iran's nuclear program has to come to halt, I was just asking here, who do you think should do it, we (the U.S), or Israel... I was not sure if it is fair to let them do our dirty laundry all the time. That's all. I never asked any of you whether forced should or should not be applied.

Here are another couple of links, which helped triggering this thread:
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[azazyel]

Originally posted by: narcotic
Yes! great, aren't you the smart one? If I'm not wrong (and I'm not, so don't bother checking), we had full diplomatic relationship with Iraq prior to the GW-I, I think April Glaspie (or something like that) was the U.S. ambassador. Alas, our great friends, decided to go bad... Now, assuming you are right, and I'm wrong.. And assuming Israel wouldn't have made a preemptive strike on Iraqi's nuclear facilities, then what? Then we would've faced not only a crazy maniac, but a maniac with nukes. Is your brain large enough to do the math here? I wouldn't bet on it...
So, now, here comes Mr. I'm smarter than all of you, and claims Iran is our friend...
Yeah sure they are, and they also probably only want the nukes for "peaceful" purposes.
PLEASE, do not make any bigger fool of yourself than what you already have.

Yes, we did have have a good relation with Iraq during the same time we were helping them kill Iranians. You know after with put the Shaw in power.

Israel isn't going to do squat against Iran, they don't need to while we're in their back yard. Hell, Isreal got us into this war thanks to Jerusalem Post's Man of the year

Also, as for Iran getting Nukes...

"By a recent U.S. intelligence review, Iran may be 10 years away from a bomb. And under the NPT, Iran is allowed to enrich uranium for use in her own nuclear power plants. "

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=45775

And for your post above stating that Iranians are not like Americans you might try to read this.

The regime may inflame Washington, but young Iranians say they admire, of all places, America

 

[azazyel]

Looks like I spoke too soon...

http://www.michnews.com/artman/publish/article_10634.shtml

"If he succeeds in becoming Israel's next prime minister, Binyamin Netanyahu indicated Monday he will not hesitate to order a military strike against Iran's nuclear program in order to safeguard his nation from annihilation"

Yeah, this isn't good.

 

[narcotic]

Originally posted by: azazyel
Looks like I spoke too soon...

http://www.michnews.com/artman/publish/article_10634.shtml

"If he succeeds in becoming Israel's next prime minister, Binyamin Netanyahu indicated Monday he will not hesitate to order a military strike against Iran's nuclear program in order to safeguard his nation from annihilation"

Yeah, this isn't good.

Maybe you should research more before you post...
Netanyahu, is hardly a candidate for the upcoming elections in Israel.
If you want to worry about something, you should worry more about those who don't talk much like Sharon for example, I'm sure he has a warm spot in is heart for Iran, once he's reelected, he'll feel free to do what he thinks he should, he wouldn't care too much about public opinion, since it'll be his last term in office.

 

[envy me]

Originally posted by: narcotic

Originally posted by: envy me
Pictures of Life in Tehran

They may be an enemy nation of the US. But they are also civilized people. Tehran is a more developed city then even some American cities. Bombing the crap out of the country shouldn't be an option just because they have a bad government. Government and Religion aside, you actually think that civilian life is that much different from us or some of our allies?

I don't think that they would iniate a conflict even if they had nuclear weapons because that would mean their ultimate destruction and I don't think the civilians of Iran would want that.

Hmm... I know you said you're european or whatever, by now I'm pretty much convinced you're an arab, which is fine, but why not just say it?

If I was an arab I would say it. My opinions are not only shared by arabs you know

I mean your opinion is clear, and I'm not going to think of you any less (well, its not really possible you see..) if I knew you're an arab.
That aside, you are a very uneducated man at the very least, and very dumb at a more probable scenario.

You really think life in Iran (or any other muslim country) is by any means similar to western life?!

I do because I have a friend who is from Iran and has visited Iran and told me about it. I would love to visit the country myself but unfortunetely, being a westerner I would fear that I would not be welcome there.

If you do, then you have no idea what's going on in these countries, I would give you links so you would believe me, but I think you've already proven you can manipulate google fairly well, so why won't you go a head and do some searches, if you're still not convinced after that, come back here, and I'll be forced to humiliate you with some nice links.

Do some searches for what? Of course mainstream media will have a bad opinion of Iran, it is controlled. Look what happened after 9/11. All the American networks were bombarding us images of supposed Iraq missile bunkers, testimonies from nobodies, and other useless information and at the time, a majority of the Americans were all for the invasion of Iraq. Now after we realize that everything mainstream media portrayed of Iraq prior to the invasion was false, most Americans are against occupation and want troops returned home. Why were you not this concerned about Iran before we invaded Iraq? Was it because CNN didn't tell you anything about it?

 

[envy me]

Originally posted by: narcotic
Just to clarify the issue, and the point of this thread. My opinion is obvious, Iran's nuclear program has to come to halt, I was just asking here, who do you think should do it, we (the U.S), or Israel... I was not sure if it is fair to let them do our dirty laundry all the time. That's all. I never asked any of you whether forced should or should not be applied.

Here are another couple of links, which helped triggering this thread:
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Then what do you consider by doing it? Asking politely?