Should the starting salary for a teacher be $60,000?

[Infohawk]

Teaching salaries shouldn't be that high. They get the summer off and they're jobs with a lot of rights and benefits. I'm more concerned that our job market is becoming more like Europe in that getting a safe teaching job is considered a "good job." People should be teachers because of the service, not the salary.

My brother makes 220K as a tenured CS Professor and I think he deserves what he gets paid.

It's not about "deserving" in market economies. It's about supply and demand. Anyway, it's pretty obvious this story is not talking about professors.

 

[soundforbjt]

Well the reason private school teachers have better results is because at the bare minimum the parents care enough to put them in betters schools. A lot of the problem with public schools is the kids have in-attentive, uncaring parents or parents that have to work so much that they simply don't have the time to be involved with their kids lives. And even worse is these kids tend to affect the other students in a chain reaction causing the whole system to falter.

True. And about their pay, it's not much lower than public teachers, and in some cases higher.

 

[Deeko]

lol

Seriously though lots of people would consider teaching over labwork, drawing table work, programming, or whatever. Engineers, Chemists, Architects, and so on if the pay was good. Nobody expects to make the same as they would doing research or something but the difference is so extreme now that it's almost a no-brainer to not teach. My friends that teach all got Education degrees. That doesn't make a good Math teacher let alone Geography teacher. Everyone who went to a decent 4 year university must have been amazed at the difference between those courses and what you learned in High School. I was floored when I took History and Geography for my transfer electives. Lets be realistic - in High School, Geography could basically be a coloring book course. That's why most Americans have no clue where anything is.

You must not have been taking very difficult high school courses. My high school courses covered as much if not more than my college equivalents. It wasn't until Calc III in college that we went beyond what I'd learned in Calc I in high school, and my AP Computer Science course taught just as much (and in some ways more) as the first year programming courses did.

 

[Ausm]

Teaching salaries shouldn't be that high. They get the summer off and they're jobs with a lot of rights and benefits. I'm more concerned that our job market is becoming more like Europe in that getting a safe teaching job is considered a "good job." People should be teachers because of the service, not the salary.



It's not about "deserving" in market economies. It's about supply and demand. Anyway, it's pretty obvious this story is not talking about professors.

Yeah I know but just wanted to throw in my 2 cents

Those teachers must be in an elite group because wages for the middle class have been stuck in neutral for 10+ years. The average teacher salary is around 40K to start and CAN go up to 67K after working in their field for 25 years.

http://money.cnn.com/2011/02/16/news/economy/middle_class/index.htm

http://www.payscale.com/research/US/All_K-12_Teachers/Salary

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/01/opinion/01eggers.html

 

[soundforbjt]

You must not have been taking very difficult high school courses. My high school courses covered as much if not more than my college equivalents. It wasn't until Calc III in college that we went beyond what I'd learned in Calc I in high school, and my AP Computer Science course taught just as much (and in some ways more) as the first year programming courses did.

Agree, when I turned in my first essay in my freshman year english class, my instructor said I was writing at a junior english major's level.

 

[Ausm]

Agree, when I turned in my first essay in my freshman year english class, my instructor said I was writing at a junior english major's level.

Not sure why but that reminds me of the story of my Organic Chemistry Professor she just got out of college she was sooo fawking hawt

 

[Nemesis 1]

Clearly your previous educators shoud be imprioned for life.

Why do so many here dwell on grammer spelling. Its amusing . When you going to learn proper english. Its not our language its the britts. and they lol at you also .

Spelling grammer means nothing to me. Put me in a world of calamity when I had my health I would excel. You likely with your callow would be killed using your nazi tactics. Many fools LOL at calvinism as they would point to free will. lol this free will means very little to God as he is omni-present . But from our perspective its everthing .

 

[HomerJS]

Interesting article about raising teacher pay dramatically.

As the article says there is limited research on whether higher pay gets better results, but what little research that is out there suggest that it does not lead to better results.

More likely teacher who are good at good because of personal drive and ambition rather than because they are paid more.

Thought?

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/starting-salary-teacher-60-000-131728091.html

Why does that argument never seem to count for teachers but always used for hiring staff for state governers even though they are both paid by taxpayers?

 

[randomrogue]

You must not have been taking very difficult high school courses. My high school courses covered as much if not more than my college equivalents. It wasn't until Calc III in college that we went beyond what I'd learned in Calc I in high school, and my AP Computer Science course taught just as much (and in some ways more) as the first year programming courses did.

Alternatively your college classes weren't that hard. I don't know what to tell you but if you somehow squeezed in a year of College Calc into one semester of AP calc then I'm impressed. The thought of my terrible high school even teaching series and sequences is just laughable let alone everything else that was in the first two semesters of calc. Did you take regular or business calc in college?

Either way I think my high school sucked. It won all these awards and was in the top percentile for the state but it was a sham as far as I'm concerned.

 

[randomrogue]

Why do so many here dwell on grammer spelling. Its amusing . When you going to learn proper english. Its not our language its the britts. and they lol at you also .

Spelling grammer means nothing to me. Put me in a world of calamity when I had my health I would excel. You likely with your callow would be killed using your nazi tactics. Many fools LOL at calvinism as they would point to free will. lol this free will means very little to God as he is omni-present . But from our perspective its everthing .

Grammar

Sorry couldn't help it

 

[Ausm]

Alternatively your college classes weren't that hard. I don't know what to tell you but if you somehow squeezed in a year of College Calc into one semester of AP calc then I'm impressed. The thought of my terrible high school even teaching series and sequences is just laughable let alone everything else that was in the first two semesters of calc. Did you take regular or business calc in college?

Either way I think my high school sucked. It won all these awards and was in the top percentile for the state but it was a sham as far as I'm concerned.

I didn't really have to stop drinking excessively in College until my third year because the first 2 years were just review.

 

[HomerJS]

Well the reason private school teachers have better results is because at the bare minimum the parents care enough to put them in betters schools. A lot of the problem with public schools is the kids have in-attentive, uncaring parents or parents that have to work so much that they simply don't have the time to be involved with their kids lives. And even worse is these kids tend to affect the other students in a chain reaction causing the whole system to falter.

Also private schools can pick and choose who they let in. Public schools have to take everyone. The troublemakers, disruptive, non-attentive, dumb, etc.

 

[Ausm]

Also private schools can pick and choose who they let in. Public schools have to take everyone. The troublemakers, disruptive, non-attentive, dumb, etc.

That's one of the reasons why the GOP is pushing for the Privatization of the public school system.

 

[Deeko]

Alternatively your college classes weren't that hard. I don't know what to tell you but if you somehow squeezed in a year of College Calc into one semester of AP calc then I'm impressed. The thought of my terrible high school even teaching series and sequences is just laughable let alone everything else that was in the first two semesters of calc. Did you take regular or business calc in college?

Either way I think my high school sucked. It won all these awards and was in the top percentile for the state but it was a sham as far as I'm concerned.

I took the same calc that math majors take, and I went to a fairly respected engineering college. I don't think we were coasting by. Maybe - just maybe - I actually had a "college level" high school class that was actually college level? I'm pretty sure the guy that taught the class majored in math and minored in education, so he probably can handle first year calc.

 

[randomrogue]

I didn't really have to stop drinking excessively in College until my third year because the first 2 years were just review.

It's all relative. If that was the case you probably could have taken harder courses. I went to 2 Universities and one College. Some were harder than others and you could test out of courses if needed or take graduate courses as an undergraduate.

 

[Ausm]

It's all relative. If that was the case you probably could have taken harder courses. I went to 2 Universities and one College. Some were harder than others and you could test out of courses if needed or take graduate courses as an undergraduate.

I took the hardest classes possible in HS. I also took the hardest entry level college classes required for my majors and found them to be pretty easy. It probably has to do with the quality of the HS I went to.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Most teachers are well meaning and hard working. However, they get ground down by the situation they are in. I know someone who teaches in an inner city school in Sacramento. She recently told me she does the "bare minimum." Why? Because even when she works her butt off, she doesn't get results. I don't think she knows how. She doesn't lack work ethic. She's relatively smart. She's well educated. But she's unhappy, and feels incredibly guilty about her situation.

The primary problem, as I see it, is twofold: Our system doesn't seem able to predictably create "good teachers," and we continually send "not good teachers" into a broken schools with low expectations for students and teachers alike. Pay has very little to do with it. If anything, we need to start investing billions of dollars into research on how to train good teachers, spend billions on training those teachers, and then, maybe increase their salaries. For now, I think teachers should continue to be paid a comfortable living wage.

A true healer is a healer and requirer little in payment. A true teacher is a teacher and will get results . As already stated its a gravy job in appearance from the outside looking in . You make the pay higher and you get people looking for the easy money and we lose our children /

A close neighbor of mine use to work at hormel . He decided to become attorny.As luck would have it . He had the money to BUY a diploma. He is a drunk a wife abuser a general low life and he worst attorney I have ever had the displeasure of meeting

 

[Nemesis 1]

I took the hardest classes possible in HS and I also took the hardest entry level college classes required for my majors and found them to be pretty easy. It probably has to do with the quality of the HS I went to.

I going to call you out on that . You spend to much time here for a healthy person whos is so knowledgeable in memory lessons.

 

[Ausm]

I going to call you out on that . You spend to much time here for a healthy person whos is so knowledgeable in memory lessons.

LOL I need something to do at work.

 

[BoberFett]

I'd be willing to pay teachers more if it were easier to get rid of bad ones. Let the free market work it out. Higher pay would lead to greater interest in the field, but teachers unions make it impossible to get rid of shitty teachers. If you could keep the good ones and pay them more and dump the losers, I'd be all for it.

 

[woolfe9999]

I'd be willing to pay teachers more if it were easier to get rid of bad ones. Let the free market work it out. Higher pay would lead to greater interest in the field, but teachers unions make it impossible to get rid of shitty teachers. If you could keep the good ones and pay them more and dump the losers, I'd be all for it.

I agree with you.

I think starting salaries should be about where they are ~$50,000, more or less depending on the cost of living in the particular state/area. Over time, I could see the salaries ranging from $50,000-$120,000, with $120,000 being for fantasic teachers and $50,000 being for mediocre ones, with poor teachers getting canned. The tradeoff presented to the union is, more potential pay for less long term job security.

I suspect that raising salaries across the board without linking it to merit produces disappointing results.

 

[sarsipias1234]

Corruption is the American way!

Woohoo! If you can't beat them, join them!

Sin is in!

 

[Deeko]

A true healer is a healer and requirer little in payment. A true teacher is a teacher and will get results . As already stated its a gravy job in appearance from the outside looking in . You make the pay higher and you get people looking for the easy money and we lose our children /

Or maybe you get people that could be good, smart teachers that otherwise go into another field that pays better. We can have this cutesy altruistic view all we want, but the fact is, people want to make money for what they do, and if someone is smart enough to make good money as an engineer, researcher, or similar, regardless of their desire to help people, many of them will choose those other fields. Maybe if teaching paid more, those guys would choose to teach instead, and be very good at it.

I'd be willing to pay teachers more if it were easier to get rid of bad ones. Let the free market work it out. Higher pay would lead to greater interest in the field, but teachers unions make it impossible to get rid of shitty teachers. If you could keep the good ones and pay them more and dump the losers, I'd be all for it.

Agreed.

 

[Nemesis 1]

LOL maybe that's true if you were stuck with the "dumb" students. My high school Honor/AP class teachers were awesome because students came to class wanting to learn and get good grades.

What is success. I failed at grammer spelling and very GOOD pupil but a failure as a student . And I went to a very good school . I have more Money than 99% of the great students . GO figure. But thats likely because I recognize $$$ for what it is and never chased after it . It was all luck . NOT!

 

[Ausm]

Corruption is the American way!

Woohoo! If you can't beat them, join them!

Sin is in!

Perfect analogy of our Legislative branch