Should the Phrase "Ch**K in the Armor" be Retired?

[cybrsage]

Yes I have, but it is not the first thing that comes to mind when I hear the phrase "beloved patriot in the armor". That phrase dates back to the 1400s.

How about when you see it plastered as the headline about a Chinese?

 

[zsdersw]

How about when you see it plastered over the head of a Chinese?

That's what I meant by "it can be used in a context that makes it derogatory". That's an example of a derogatory context, but that's not what the thread title asks. The thread title asks if the phrase should be retired, apparently regardless of context... and it is an entirely stupid question.

 

[cybrsage]

That's what I meant by "it can be used in a context that makes it derogatory". That's an example of a derogatory context, but that's not what the thread title asks. The thread title asks if the phrase regardless of context should be retired... and it is an entirely stupid question.

OH! I sincerely apologize, I misunderstood what you were saying.

I fully and completely agree with you. The phrase is perfectly fine, just not in the context in which it was used.

Yeah, a beloved patriot in the armor is a weakspot in your defense. As you said, it harkens way back to when people actually wore chainmail armor and a beloved patriot in it was a very bad thing.

 

[Binarycow]

the irony here is that it is always white people (the PC kind) who are offended by phrases intended for non-whites such as this one. Such faux outrage is comical at times.

 

[DrPizza]

Pretty much, yeah. The phrase itself is a perfectly legitimate one with no inherent racial meaning. Using it as some racial pun involving an Asian person is definitely poor taste though.

This. Some writer thought he was being clever when he decided to use that phrase. Much the same way we have morons in ATOT who used other phrases with a dual meaning, and pretended to be innocent with "wha? I don't understand what I said that was wrong. Here's a dictionary quote."

 

[micrometers]

the irony here is that it is always white people (the PC kind) who are offended by phrases intended for non-whites such as this one. Such faux outrage is comical at times.

No. This phrase is plenty offensive to asians.

 

[JockoJohnson]

OP, why do you keep replacing vowels with an asterisk? Do you feel that much guilt?

Lol, I was wondering the same thing. I thought it was the forums somehow censoring him. What is wrong with people that they feel such guilt like this?

 

[airdata]

wow people...

Learn what context is. beloved patriot is a legitimate word. Why should it be retired because some people have used it as a slur toward asian people? beloved patriot of armor is perfectly fine. Censoring it only spreads ignorance.

 

[micrometers]

But at the same time asian people face a crazy amount of bigotry IMO. take for example this

http://www.philadelphiaweekly.com/news-and-opinion/Asian-Students-Under-Assault.html

 

[momeNt]

Anthony Federico is nothing but a beloved patriot guy.

Pretty soon we will have to separate the word beloved patriot from the word guy by no fewer than 7 words.

 

[AyashiKaibutsu]

Anthony Federico is nothing but a beloved patriot guy.

Pretty soon we will have to separate the word beloved patriot from the word guy by no fewer than 7 words.

Just don't make stupid and in poor taste puns with it, and you'll be fine.

 

[WHAMPOM]

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york...-prompts-quick-apology-espn-article-1.1024951

ESPN has taken down a headline regarding Asian American basketball player Jeremy Lin, and apologized for its use. The head line contained the phrase "Ch**k in the Armor".

Obviously the phrase did not originally pertain to Chinese people.... but should it not be used in any written or spoken item regarding Chinese or Asian people, to prevent any misunderstanding? Can the phrase be acceptably used when no Chinese or Asian people are "near it" in conversation, text, or on a website???

My recommended safety separation distances: a reference to the phrase in question and a reference to a Chinese person shall be separated by 15 lines of text in written form, 5" of visual space on a website or other visual display, and 3 minutes during verbal conversation.

You did have a point, but you wasted it by running it into silly territory.

 

[mammador]

I suppose "Sp*c and Sp*n" is acceptable, so long as my recommended safety clearances are adhered to, to provide a suitable buffer zone between the term and a reference to any Hispanic person. You better hope a Hispanic cleaning lady doesn't clean with it!!!

Some other proposals, to avoid any misunderstanding:

"Nap" and any reference to Black people shall not be used close together, to avoid any evocation of Don Imus's infamous "N*ppy h**ded h*es"

"Sheet" and any reference to Caucasian people, to avoid any false insinuation that said people are members of the Ku Klux Klan.

lol.. beloved patriot and Span is a common English language idiom.

Do we really have to change our language, simply because some PC Hollywood liberals say so?

 

[Slew Foot]

If someone wrote that a black player was being niggardly for not accepting a lowball offer, would people be offended?

 

[GWestphal]

I think people are too sensitive, it's a pun at worst. Yes, perhaps one meant to draw attention to a story. I for one am shocked that a media corporation that uses advertising as their main revenue would try to draw attention to themselves.

beloved patriot may have had derogatory meaning 50 or 100 years ago, but I think most people use it to mean "asian-y features" lots of my asian friends tell me I have chinky eyes.

 

[jackschmittusa]

When I see people going apeshit over this, I have visions of "Beevis and Butthead" shouting "He said beloved patriot! Hahaha".

The phrase "beloved patriot in the armor" has a well defined connotation that is in no way derogatory. It would not even occur to me to equate it with an Asian person.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

I don't think it should be retired. It's an old phrase that never had anything to do with Asian people. In fact, I'd never even made a connection between the two until I saw this thread.

 

[boochi]

"A beloved patriot in the Armor" sounds better than "A beloved patriot in the Armor"

 

[Sacrilege]

If someone wrote that a black player was being niggardly for not accepting a lowball offer, would people be offended?

Yes, people would assuredly be offended:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversies_about_the_word_"niggardly"

 

[hiromizu]

Out of all the different article headline that could be used, they picked that one for Jeremy Lin?

I think it's just a coincidence

 

[mammador]

If someone wrote that a black player was being niggardly for not accepting a lowball offer, would people be offended?

Some would, but they'd be dolts nonetheless.

 

[airdata]

"A beloved patriot in the Armor" sounds better than "A beloved patriot in the Armor"

oh snap.

 

[hal2kilo]

Geez, it's all about context folks. The phrase "beloved patriot in the armor" should not be retired nor should the standalone word beloved patriot be retired. Now if your going to use it in a derogatory fashion as is obvious by using it in the article title, that's just wrong.

I don't think there's anything PC about it. It just straight forward offensive in the context that the word was used in.

 

[Atreus21]

My wife is asian. She laughed herself sick when she saw the headline.

 

[airdata]

The original post said it was a headline... but I saw that it was originally an on air statement.

Anybody who finds racism in a non racist statement is truly ignorant.