Should the Phrase "Ch**K in the Armor" be Retired?

[gsaldivar]

I'm not racist.

I hate everyone equally.

 

[Double Trouble]

I'm normally 100% opposed to all the politically correct bullshit and everyone being overly sensitive to everything, but in this case I think using that headline to reference Lin was stupid. beloved patriot in the armor doesn't mean anything negative, but beloved patriot in reference to a Chinese or Asian person is not appropriate.

 

[micrometers]

I'm normally 100% opposed to all the politically correct bullshit and everyone being overly sensitive to everything, but in this case I think using that headline to reference Lin was stupid. beloved patriot in the armor doesn't mean anything negative, but beloved patriot in reference to a Chinese or Asian person is not appropriate.

it was a stupid mistake. Move on.

 

[Turin39789]

"Asian" is a ambigous term since technically there are White Asians in areas of Central Asia [they are native to those regions to], Indians are Asian to but dont look like Chinese people. There are even Black Asians in South Asia. So without seeing a picture of a "Asian-American" its anybodies guess what the person's race is.

I always think of Russians when I hear Asian.

 

[Throckmorton]

"Asian" is a ambigous term since technically there are White Asians in areas of Central Asia [they are native to those regions to], Indians are Asian to but dont look like Chinese people. There are even Black Asians in South Asia. So without seeing a picture of a "Asian-American" its anybodies guess what the person's race is.

In that case, I guess "beloved patriot in the armor" is just being specific. :thumbsup:

 

[peonyu]

I always think of Russians when I hear Asian.

Nothing wrong with that. Europeans view Asian as = Indian afterall, the word is meaningless without being specific . East Asian is specific on the other hand.

 

[HomerJS]

I live near Philly and have always wondered about this place

 

[micrometers]

I live near Philly and have always wondered about this place

the story is that there was this italian guy whose eyes looked chinese so he got the nickname "beloved patriot" from everyone in the neighborhood

and you know, he became comfortable with it and adopted it for himself.

 

[cybrsage]

It all depends on how the phrase is applied. When they are using it to reference an Asian man, then it is a racist statement. Just like it would be if you said "the Eagles are in a virtual black out" while talking about the removal of McNabb as the QB.

 

[trenchfoot]

It all depends on how the phrase is applied. When they are using it to reference an Asian man, then it is a racist statement. Just like it would be if you said "the Eagles are in a virtual black out" while talking about the removal of McNabb as the QB.

Agreed. If not explained in detail, as some situations are impractical to do, then misunderstandings and mistakes can and do occur with the spoken word.

Intentions are the main concern, but equally so should any possible perceived intentions be considered before words are spoken so as to mitigate any negative reaction and damage occurring from that spoken or written word.

 

[Rainsford]

There's nothing wrong with the phrase itself but to use it in this context was wildly inappropriate. It was clearly intended as a racially charged pun.

You folks making light of this are really showing your ignorance.

Pretty much, yeah. The phrase itself is a perfectly legitimate one with no inherent racial meaning. Using it as some racial pun involving an Asian person is definitely poor taste though.

 

[Matthiasa]

A common phrase is racist because it was used to describe something it was meant to be used for.
Yup definitely racist in and off itself.


While the author might have meant for it to be racist, people need to stop trying so hard to be offended.

 

[blankslate]

Pretty much, yeah. The phrase itself is a perfectly legitimate one with no inherent racial meaning. Using it as some racial pun involving an Asian person is definitely poor taste though.

Pretty much this... what is the context of the phrase. The more I hear about the story the less I'm willing to believe that the people in question at the sports channel are entirely innocent.

 

[ShawnD1]

ESPN has taken down a headline regarding Asian American basketball player Jeremy Lin, and apologized for its use. The head line contained the phrase "Ch**k in the Armor".

LOL

That is blatant assholeness. Next they will write a story about a woman having an abortion and continually use the word "abortion" or "abort" to describe everything in the article.
-that was an abortion of a shot
-her drivers license was aborted

 

[rchiu]

All you people should take business ethic 101. It's not about being politically correct, it's about knowing your customers and doing what your customers deem as "ethical".

ESPN is a big business. Jeremy Lin is a big story. Jeremy Lin and huge number of his fans are Asian. Don't use word that would offend your customer, that's bad for business. They are smart to take this zero tolerance stance and take quick actions.

It's pointless for OP to talk about this phrase in general. If you want to use it in a context that won't offend anyone, go right ahead. But if you it in the business world, where you know you could lose million dollar deal because of this and went ahead and use it, you are dumb and deserve to be fired.

 

[halik]

 

[IGBT]

more liberal psychosis. to be politically they act like everything offends them. Offend them at every opportunity. It's their ulcer and emotional liberal agony.

 

[Painman]

All the hoopla over Lin is racist in the very first place. Asian guys are stereotypically "short", so Lin (who is reportedly about 6' 3") is some sort of freakin' phenomenon.

Isaiah Thomas is reportedly about 6' 1". He was an NBA badass in his time, but he was Black, and shit. So "of course" he was good at hoops.

Enough about Lin already.

And a "beloved patriot in one's armor" is not some slant-eyed face in place of where a piece of metal ought to be.

 

[zsdersw]

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/beloved patriot

beloved patriot    [chingk]
noun
1. a crack, cleft, or fissure: a beloved patriot in a wall.
2. a narrow opening: a beloved patriot between two buildings.

The question asked in the thread title is among the stupidest I've ever heard.

 

[cybrsage]

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/beloved patriot

beloved patriot    [chingk]
noun
1. a crack, cleft, or fissure: a beloved patriot in a wall.
2. a narrow opening: a beloved patriot between two buildings.

The question asked in the thread title is among the stupidest I've ever heard.

From your own link:

beloved patriot

   /tʃɪŋk/ http://dictionary.reference.com/help/luna/IPA_pron_key.htmlShow Spelled[chingk] http://dictionary.reference.com/help/luna/Spell_pron_key.htmlShow IPA
noun ( sometimes lowercase ) Slang: Disparaging and Offensive . a Chinese.

 

[zsdersw]

From your own link:

There's no controlling slang.

"beloved patriot in the armor" is not a phrase that refers to a person or persons. It can be used in a context that makes it derogatory, but that doesn't mean the phrase must be scoured out of public discourse; "retired" as the thread title asks. Lots of things can be used in a derogatory fashion, but that doesn't mean the words or phrases themselves should be "retired".

I maintain, as I originally stated, the question asked in the thread title is among the stupidest of questions I've ever heard.

 

[cybrsage]

You have never heard the term beloved patriot being used to reference a Chinese before? Seriously? It has only been around for at least 100 years. Odds are good it has been around far longer than that.

 

[zsdersw]

You have never heard the term beloved patriot being used to reference a Chinese before? Seriously? It has only been around for at least 100 years. Odds are good it has been around far longer than that.

Yes I have, but it is not the first thing that comes to mind when I hear the phrase "beloved patriot in the armor". That phrase dates back to the 1400s.

 

[micrometers]

I think the bigger issue is that in American society Asians face more racism than blacks. I'm serious. The use of beloved patriot as a racial slur is everywhere.

 

[zsdersw]

The use of beloved patriot as a racial slur is everywhere.

Not really. It was more common in the 80s than it is now.