Should the mods get more strict on this board?

[NIGELG]

Leave the damn forums as they are.

 

[Tweak155]

As much as I hate the bickering, it seems when this takes place you learn things you <possibly> never would have before. I never kept up on cards in the AMD 3xxx, 4xxx & 5xxx series (and NVidias corresponding series) but hell, even cards from back then are thrown into arguments! Haha, makes me laugh how ridiculous it gets sometimes but hey, I like reading and I like learning. Of course you have to be able to discern the garbage, too.

 

[SirPauly]

imho,

Opposing views at times bring out the best and worse debates at times and part of forum lore. There is a collection of differing mind-sets, subjective tastes, tolerances and wallets converging, sharing, expressing their views - the beauty of forums.

As long as members try to keep in check personal attacks -- and engage points -- pleased.

Forums can be fun, entertaining and informative; it is personal aspects that make it noisy!

 

[cmdrdredd]

They should just create Nvidia and AMD sub forums, not that that'll ever happen.

Honestly this is not a bad idea overall. If you are having issues with a card and want direct info as to what solutions are out there or maybe some advice, it may cut back the junk like "OMG...you mean they have driver problems!? LOL" or whatever.

I don't think it would help remove or limit these types of posts overall, but it might give someone who wants real info an easier time. I just know it doesn't help Gamefaqs clean up their forum (people forum hop to rival boards all the time), and I see things going on at Guru3D as well even when they separate their forums.

That said, the guy with a real issue who posts for the first time here might get more attention to his actual question.

 

[Jacky60]

The idea of censoring forums (which by definition are a meeting to discuss topics of public concern) strikes me as inherently backward and counter-productive. A discussion not going the way you or anyone else intended it to go is what freedom is and the very notion that you or someone else should dictate the terms fills me with dread. Take MS for example, I've been in the graphic card reviewing/ buying business for 15 years and have owned one or more top cards from each camp every generation in that time. I am brand agnostic BUT in my experience whenever Nvidia has lost the single GPU performance crown and or the price/performance lead (which has been often) a slick marketing machine has swung into action to denigrate or shed doubt on results. For example it was power draw fairly recently and now it's microstutter (the results of testing MS which reflect badly on Nvidia have been consistently dismissed/disputed by some people on this forum). I believe everyone should have to state what they're running in their sig so we have an idea of how partisan or not they are or how adept at dishonesty they are. The essence of PR and propaganda is to keep saying something regardless of whether it's true or not. Being cynical about other's statements which aren't explicity supported by truly independent empirical evidence is a prerequisite for ascertaining truth or a semblance of it. That's why I voted no.

 

[cmdrdredd]

The idea of censoring forums (which by definition are a meeting to discuss topics of public concern) strikes me as inherently backward and counter-productive. A discussion not going the way you or anyone else intended it to go is what freedom is and the very notion that you or someone else should dictate the terms fills me with dread. Take MS for example, I've been in the graphic card reviewing/ buying business for 15 years and have owned one or more top cards from each camp every generation in that time. I am brand agnostic BUT in my experience whenever Nvidia has lost the single GPU performance crown and or the price/performance lead (which has been often) a slick marketing machine has swung into action to denigrate or shed doubt on results. For example it was power draw fairly recently and now it's microstutter (the results of testing MS which reflect badly on Nvidia have been consistently dismissed/disputed by some people on this forum). I believe everyone should have to state what they're running in their sig so we have an idea of how partisan or not they are or how adept at dishonesty they are. The essence of PR and propaganda is to keep saying something regardless of whether it's true or not. Being cynical about other's statements which aren't explicity supported by truly independent empirical evidence is a prerequisite for ascertaining truth or a semblance of it. That's why I voted no.

So in other words you're ok with someone coming here to ask about an issue then someone says "You should have not bought that garbage card from company X. They suck, drivers suck blah blah"?

 

[HeXen]

Here's a tip, don't continue to read threads that turn into non discussions. Why is that so hard? I click on tons and tons of threads that either disinterest me or devalue and it's super easy to just click "unsubscribe".
Very likely i'll do it to this thread very soon or just simply never come to it again.

 

[Jacky60]

So in other words you're ok with someone coming here to ask about an issue then someone says "You should have not bought that garbage card from company X. They suck, drivers suck blah blah"?

Not in other words or my words, those are your words. I prefer not to have to suffer that but it's a regular feature of these forums and it's not something I nor most forum members indulge in. That said the essence of debate is to allow idiots to talk crap. I despise what you say but I defend to the death your right to say it.

 

[Ferzerp]

I wasn't going to reply to my own poll, but this is amusing. You're awfully quick to proclaim being "brand agnostic" when it suits you, but....

This sure doesn't seem "agnostic". It looks like a pretty heavy focus on the company vs the technology.

I'm not a fanboi of either but prefer AMD due to memories of Nvidia's texture cheat with their 4600TI a long time ago. Also the fact they screwed 3dfx left a bad taste BUT I've owned and been happy with plenty of Nvidia cards, the last being a 8800GTX which is still in my ex gf's rig. I buy bang for buck and would always buy whichever brand offered the best performance for my money, if they offer the same performance at the same price I'd buy AMD as they need to be kept in the game if I want to be able to afford GPU's in future (as Nvidia will screw us all if they are the sole player).

You're also quick to try to discredit anyone who has anything but the utmost praise for AMD as "Nvidia shills/fanboys"

Don't take advice on this from Nvidia shills/fanboys get it from someone who has Crysis and 7970 crossfire. I'd get another 7970 if I were you and if it really doesn't work well (which I'm pretty sure it will) then return it to the shop/etailer.Please do feed back on your experience !

You're accusing others of being part of a "slick marketing machine", but look to me to be just as bad as what you're accusing others of.

 

[BoFox]

Advice to all readers: Learn to speed-read, and just skim over the posts that do not have what you are looking for!

(I know that it's not as easy as it sounds, hehe.. )

Well, there will always be teenagers.. even on HardForum where the word "fanboy" is banned, there's still a lot of "filtering" to go through to find any useful info.

 

[Ferzerp]

Advice to all readers: Learn to speed-read, and just skim over the posts that do not have what you are looking for!

(I know that it's not as easy as it sounds, hehe.. )

Well, there will always be teenagers.. even on HardForum where the word "fanboy" is banned, there's still a lot of "filtering" to go through to find any useful info.

The problem is, when one of the machines gets rolling, they quash good discussion (through any means necessary, be that misdirection, dragging the thread in a different direction, throwing so much seemingly related, but off topic info at the thread that it gets off course, etc), and/or get the thread locked. There haven't been many lately, but it seems that a huge number of product release threads end up locked. That can't be coincidence.

 

[chimaxi83]

And all that will do is create two sub-forums of fanboi bickering, with AMD acolytes invading the Nvidia zealot turf and bickering, and vice versa. Wouldn't solve a darned thing.

I think that if there were two separate sub-forums, it would become absolutely clear as day who the people are that are just here to flame and generally contribute nothing to the forum. One for general graphics discussion, one for Nvidia, and one for AMD, similar to how some sites already do it.

In theory, this wouldn't create more work for mods, because technically it's still the same amount of threads being created and posted in, just in their own sub-forums. It wouldn't completely solve the issue here, but in my opinion, it would really help.

 

[Bryf50]

Usually the most off topic thing is all of the people yelling "Yous all Fanbois" in every single thread. Yes there are members here with their clear biases but these posts are completely useless and should be deleted. If you want to refute something that is being said even if it is by a "Fanboy" you should do so using factual information not a shitty Ad hominem attack.

 

[tviceman]

Its kind of funny how this is a complaint ONLY when Nvidia threads get crapped.

I think it's an equal complaint both ways.

 

[VulgarDisplay]

I think many of the people here completely overreact when an opinion that is different than theirs is expressed. Everyone is guilty of that.

 

[amenx]

I think if VCG was divided into AMD/Nvidia subforums (like many other forums out there), it would result in less bickering. But it may not be as entertaining as before. So tough call.

 

[Ferzerp]

My goal for this poll was to determine if I am alone in thinking that it is currently over the top and needs dialed back a notch or three. It looks like I'm not the only one who feels it.

 

[BrightCandle]

I think fanboi and all its variants should fall under personal attacks. I also feel that attacking a group as amd/nvidia shrills should also fall under the category of personal attacks. They are meant as insults but they get ignored currently by the mods, infact most personal insults are. I would settle for the rules as stated being enforced, because the personal attacks achieve nothing in vc&g. This is a technical forum, attack the data, attack the argument or analysis but attacking character or insinuating bias neither convinces anyone nor is it productive.

Things need to change, its not a pleasant place to post right now, you need a thick skin just to put an idea out there. Not because you'll get feedback on the idea you don't like, but because someone will come after you personally. Its in every thread, it needs fixing.

 

[cmdrdredd]

I think many of the people here completely overreact when an opinion that is different than theirs is expressed. Everyone is guilty of that.

The other thing that always happens, even in the CPU forum is someone buys product X and is happy. Then someone says "I like Product Y better because of example A here" and people are quick to defend their buying decision and at times forget themselves and drag the thread into a brand fight.

There's a product out there for everyone and no one product will be for everyone. Everyone wants to reassure themselves that they made the right choice.

 

[SickBeast]

boo for censorship. I wish I could tell people off without fear of getting the boot. If somebody is a douche, they should be able to hear about it.


****How about LESS moderation****

+1

This is why I prefer sites like Alienbabeltech.com.

 

[3DVagabond]

I wasn't going to reply to my own poll, but this is amusing. You're awfully quick to proclaim being "brand agnostic" when it suits you, but....

This sure doesn't seem "agnostic". It looks like a pretty heavy focus on the company vs the technology.



You're also quick to try to discredit anyone who has anything but the utmost praise for AMD as "Nvidia shills/fanboys"







You're accusing others of being part of a "slick marketing machine", but look to me to be just as bad as what you're accusing others of.

With stronger moderating, if I was a mod I would delete this as off topic. Just saying.

 

[BrightCandle]

With stronger moderating, if I was a mod I would delete this as off topic. Just saying.

I agree, its a personal attack of the exact type that makes these boards unpleasant and clearly off topic. This a great example of where a mod should have stepped in IMO.

 

[slayernine]

Personally I am pretty much against fanboy behavior but lets face it some of the fanboy fights are fun to read.

BTW I have never run a Nvidia GPU, but that is just because I like to do bitcoin mining> once gpu mining no longer works for bit coins less then a month or two. I will most likely buy a Nvidia GPU just to check one out.

I'm all about the fun to read factor with a few serious discussions here and there.

 

[Aristotelian]

There was a time when this sub-forum was moderated more strictly. Idontcare used to take a rather literal approach to the rules. At that time, there was far less flaming, but really - implementing rules in VC&G just means that the people who post because they are paid/compensated/team agenda-motivated to do so cannot be called out for what they are - pedestrian rhetoric pushers. I have no problem with 'member call-outs' because some people have a very clear agenda in their posts. But I would be happy to see outright flaming moderated more closely as it was before.

 

[Wall Street]

It is quite a bit out of hand. I would like to either see:

1) More moderation or

2) a cooldown feature (limiting each poster to two posts per thread per day for example) so less threads get hijacked by 2-3 people talking past each other.