Should the HPV vaccine be mandatory?

[Thump553]

Very interesting piece on this virus on the NBC Nightly News last night-this virus not only causes cervical cancer, but also causes mouth and throat cancers-a huge killer in the US. Definately sounds like a vaccine to get regardless of "moral" beliefs.

Link: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032619/

 

[momeNt]

I'm wondering sometimes if the US should just split into two countries, one for the left and one for the right, because the differences seem so absurdly large.

If technology allowed, separate planets seems more appropriate.

What do we agree on? Sky is blue?

We can't agree on economic fundamental issues, the role of government, saving lives, safety nets, vaccines, war policy, taxes, free speech, capital punishment, and so on.

This system of pretty much never changing opinions of anyone, money controlling too much, trying to shift a few ignorant 'centrists' to break the tie, is a mess.

Well the USA is actually split into 50 separate states. But there have been a few very influential presidents that have grown federal government so large it almost makes no difference what state you live in.

I like your implicit vote for smaller federal government though. We could have had a very finely tuned 50 states that allowed people to choose what state best legislated their beliefs, but we voted most of that out.

 

[her209]

No vaccine should be mandatory.

Even rubella?

 

[Ausm]

Reminds me when Perry made an executive order to immunize teenage school girls with the HPC vaccination made by Merck ....but after further research he received over 350K from Merck I wonder if it is a fair assumption to classify Texas as a pay to play State?

http://www.cnn.com/2011/09/15/opinion/krumholz-beckel-perry-pharmaceutical/index.html

http://www.kbtx.com/home/headlines/5546651.html

We are going to be totally fucked if this idiot gets in the Whitehouse.

 

[sm625]

Mercury, lithium, fluoride, aluminum, cyanide, aspartame, and prosac should ALL be mandatory daily injections, along with 200 mSV of Fukushima radiation. Only then would Total Stupidity be achieved. It never ceases to amaze me how incredibly lost this society is. The debates some people are having are straight out of Idiocracy. If you think this sort of debate is at all rational then you need to do some research. Then you will realize how utterly breathtaking our decline has become.

 

[fskimospy]

The vaccine should be mandatory for children to be admitted to public school. The whole anti-vaccine business is simply mind boggling to me.

 

[momeNt]

We need to institute measures to stop all sexual curiosity before the age of 18 so we don't have to administer HPV vaccines to minors.

Apparently we may need to also ban sharing of water bottles or any other action that causes the sharing of saliva though just to be safe.

Was that sufficiently stupid? Or do I need more of the mandatory daily injections

 

[Whiskey16]

The only vaccines that should be mandatory should be vaccines for infectious, contagious, communicable diseases. HPV is not. It may be a contributing factor in some people for developing some types of cancer, sure, but it is not in the same vein as small pox or rhubella or other manditory vaccines.

This.

Ideologues, can you recognise that necessary balances are the way of life and that your nonsensical tactics of all or nothing are rarely if ever accepable?

 

[Munky]

You can make it mandatory to be eligible for certain things, like attending public schools or receiving federal financial aid. But I don't support the government forcing vaccines on every parent's kid.

 

[thraashman]

The only vaccines that should be mandatory should be vaccines for infectious, contagious, communicable diseases. HPV is not. It may be a contributing factor in some people for developing some types of cancer, sure, but it is not in the same vein as small pox or rhubella or other manditory vaccines.

It should be opt-in only.

I think this sounds about dead on. HPV cannot be communicated without an intentional act. Something that is easily communicable and massively dangerous should be vaccinated against. I do think the HPV vaccine should be readily available as an opt-in vaccination through the school system at like 6th or 7th grade. Make it an option when filling out school paperwork to allow a child to get the vaccination when entering that grade. I hate anyone who thinks that vaccinating against an STD will encourage teens to have sex. No, sex being awesome encourages kids to have sex.

 

[Nebor]

This should be a poll. And yes, it should be mandatory. There's no good reason for it not to be, "personal liberty" aside.

 

[momeNt]

This should be a poll. And yes, it should be mandatory. There's no good reason for it not to be, "personal liberty" aside.

No reason for us not to euthanize patients that have become too costly to take care of, "personal liberty" aside.

Personal liberty is a pretty big deal to some though, slippery slope comment aside.

 

[ShawnD1]

No reason for us not to euthanize patients that have become too costly to take care of, "personal liberty" aside.

Doesn't USA already do this? If you have cancer and you don't have health insurance, sorry bro but your ass is dead.

 

[Moonbeam]

Mercury, lithium, fluoride, aluminum, cyanide, aspartame, and prosac should ALL be mandatory daily injections, along with 200 mSV of Fukushima radiation. Only then would Total Stupidity be achieved. It never ceases to amaze me how incredibly lost this society is. The debates some people are having are straight out of Idiocracy. If you think this sort of debate is at all rational then you need to do some research. Then you will realize how utterly breathtaking our decline has become.

It seems that our decline is so bad I can't even guess what you are talking about. What the fuck are you saying?

 

[momeNt]

Doesn't USA already do this? If you have cancer and you don't have health insurance, sorry bro but your ass is dead.

Bad example on my part. Hopefully I made my point though.

But to defend my example, they aren't euthanized they just aren't treated. harms against personal liberty would be to euthanize them against their will, not treating them against their will isn't an argument against personal liberty.

 

[werepossum]

It should when your choice can end up killing someone else. For example, all the people out there who think Jenny McCarthy is a doctor and don't get their kids vaccinated increase the risk that kids too young for the vaccines could get caught up in some totally unnecessary epidemic. I think vaccines that cover those cases should definitely be mandatory.

Even in other cases, I'm kind of on the fence. It's "your" choice, but you aren't the one affected...it's your kid who wasn't given the choice at all. And given that for most vaccines, the benefits would seem to greatly outweigh the downsides, I question the wisdom of a parent who doesn't get their kid vaccinated.

Remember, having your child vaccinated can kill them too. Even the safest vaccine has some slight risk of death or serious impairment.

Personally I think it varies according to the vector(s) used. Assuming the vaccine is safe (i.e. up to modern standards), if the virus can be spread by casual contact such as kissing, then it should be mandatory. There should always be an opt-out, but you can't opt out and leave the children in public school. If the virus can not be spread by casual contact such as kissing, then assuming the vaccine is demonstrated to be effective and reasonably inexpensive it should be offered at government cost as a matter of public health, but opting out should not affect whether or not you can leave the children in public school. There should also be a mechanism to allow minors of a certain age - I'd suggest sixteen - to ask for and receive the vaccination against the parents' wishes (but with parental notification - in the highly unlikely case of serious complications, the parents need to know what exactly has been done to their child so that it may be countered) because teens become capable of (and highly motivated to engage in) sexual activity long before they are mature enough to abstain due to the risk.

I don't know the effectiveness of this particular vaccine or the penetration and toxicity (as a measure of the ratio of actual pathology to infection) of this virus, but at some point this will become a matter of public health and will become mandatory (without opt-out except on religious grounds) for everyone except for those like the Amish who essentially live separately. The risks of vaccines are generally tiny compared to the benefits and I doubt this one has more risks than other modern vaccines, I just don't know if the vaccine's effectiveness and cost, coupled with the disease's commonness and dangers, have reached that point.

 

[Moonbeam]

Remember, having your child vaccinated can kill them too. Even the safest vaccine has some slight risk of death or serious impairment.

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Remember that being born is a death sentence.

 

[werepossum]

Doesn't USA already do this? If you have cancer and you don't have health insurance, sorry bro but your ass is dead.

Not true; if you have cancer you can get treatment. A friend's son was diagnosed with cancer that had spread throughout his stomach and intestines. He had no insurance or assets, yet he received several courses of treatment, including at least one experimental treatment, radiation, at least two different non-experimental chemo courses, and several hospital stays, and this for a man whose prognosis was very bad when diagnosed. Another lady I know was diagnosed with breast cancer and received a double mastectomy, radiation, chemo, and reconstructive surgery in spite of having no insurance and no money. What you can't get without insurance or money is treatment for the non-life threatening problems and preventative diagnostic tests.

Interestingly, when I had my colonoscopy the practice posted prices for those without insurance. I have a health savings account with a pretty large out-of-pocket, and it actually cost me considerably more than if I had had no insurance. (That might not be the case for the anesthesiologist and anesthesiology nurse, which are billed separately.)

 

[werepossum]

Remember, having your child vaccinated can kill them too. Even the safest vaccine has some slight risk of death or serious impairment.

Remember that being born is a death sentence.

This is true, no one gets out alive. You just have to look at the odds and weigh the risks of your choices - including the risk in doing nothing.

 

[waggy]

Reminds me when Perry made an executive order to immunize teenage school girls with the HPC vaccination made by Merck ....but after further research he received over 350K from Merck I wonder if it is a fair assumption to classify Texas as a pay to play State?

http://www.cnn.com/2011/09/15/opinion/krumholz-beckel-perry-pharmaceutical/index.html

http://www.kbtx.com/home/headlines/5546651.html

We are going to be totally fucked if this idiot gets in the Whitehouse.

this is and was my issue with it.

IF you dig more you will find that the makers of the immunization gave a LOT to a lot of diffrent people (both R and D) and pretty much forced this through.

there has not been a lot of testing in it (at the time. now its finding safe etc) when they were trying to force it.

even many doctors were saying they shouldn't give it to kids under 15 yet they want to force it on young girls as young as 9 i think (i may be off a year or so).

But the more i read on it the more i think its a good idea. i just don't like having the pharms say you need this and get politicians to force it on kids on a yearly bases with little info to go with it.

 

[randomrogue]

Mercury, lithium, fluoride, aluminum, cyanide, aspartame, and prosac should ALL be mandatory daily injections, along with 200 mSV of Fukushima radiation. Only then would Total Stupidity be achieved. It never ceases to amaze me how incredibly lost this society is. The debates some people are having are straight out of Idiocracy. If you think this sort of debate is at all rational then you need to do some research. Then you will realize how utterly breathtaking our decline has become.

What are you even saying?

 

[Nebor]

No reason for us not to euthanize patients that have become too costly to take care of, "personal liberty" aside.

Personal liberty is a pretty big deal to some though, slippery slope comment aside.

Agreed. You'd just need to determine what "too costly" means in relation to their worth to society.

People let the whole country go to shit just to keep someone from feeling like their precious "rights" are trampled.

 

[werepossum]

Agreed. You'd just need to determine what "too costly" means in relation to their worth to society.

People let the whole country go to shit just to keep someone from feeling like their precious "rights" are trampled.

That IS a slippery slope. Take someone like Terry Shiavo, in a low or medium care nursing home. Now compare her net cost to society to someone who has been on welfare her whole life and spawned off some kids who are also welfare cases.

Reducing human value to one's value or cost to society is in my opinion a dangerous thing and should only be undertaken when such truly is necessary to save the society.

 

[Murloc]

I think that it should be mandatory since it doesn't do any harm and has clear benefits.

 

[Munky]

This should be a poll. And yes, it should be mandatory. There's no good reason for it not to be, "personal liberty" aside.

Don't forget leaded gasoline and asbestos. Those were good for us 50 years ago too, according to the all-knowing "experts"