Should the guy go to jail???

[ShellGuy]

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Will G.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Jail will not punish him any more.

Removal of driving priviledges is warrented.

 

[ruffilb]

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Jail will not punish him any more.

Removal of driving priviledges is warrented.

QF great T.

 

[episodic]

Yes, jail is warranted.

It is no different than drunk driving. When he was lucid and not in a state of dementia, he should have the forethought to know that he has dementia and could possibly have that episoide while driving. No different that drunk driving. We need to put some of these grey hairs in prison. Maybe that will be a wake up call for some of them.

Why is it they will put a 14 year old in prison, but not a 90 year old. The 90 year old CERTAINLY SHOULD KNOW better.

 

[imported_Condor]

You can't ticket the guy for jaywalking and reckless endangerment, he's dead!

 

[EagleKeeper]

What will putting a person in jail prove/accomplish?

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Jail will not punish him any more.

Removal of driving priviledges is warrented.

What about the lady who just drowned her three kids? she is mentally ill, hearing voices, apparently. Should she go to jail?
(in both situations, you have a progressive brain disease - dementia, or schizophrenia - which is impairing judgement)

 

[shira]

Originally posted by: episodic
Yes, jail is warranted.

It is no different than drunk driving. When he was lucid and not in a state of dementia, he should have the forethought to know that he has dementia and could possibly have that episoide while driving. No different that drunk driving. We need to put some of these grey hairs in prison. Maybe that will be a wake up call for some of them.

Why is it they will put a 14 year old in prison, but not a 90 year old. The 90 year old CERTAINLY SHOULD KNOW better.

You seem to be overlooking information in the story that indicates that Mr. Parker suffered very rapid deterioration of his mental capacity, apparently only in the last week. So when you mention "forethought", it's not clear to me what you're getting at.

How was Parker supposed to know that that he had demented episodes? When he's lucid, he's lucid. When he's not lucid, he may not realize it (and when he becomes lucid again he may not realize he was ever non-lucid). So how could he anticipate "episodes" he may never have been aware of.

I have a female friend whose father was sharp as a tack to the age of 92. Even at that age, he still commanded $250 and hour as a mathematics consultant, which he did not because he needed the money, but because he needed the mental stimulation. And then he suffered a series of mini-strokes, and within just a couple of days he was diagnosed with dementia. He was dead within six weeks.

So the condition of the elderly can change rapidly.

Absent evidence that Parker "should have known", I say take away his license and keep him safe.

 

[Dissipate]

I don't blame the old man. I blame the DMV for giving a 93 year old a fvcking driver's license. This isn't sane people. I would also say the son is at fault. He left his father with keys to the car all by himself??! What a moron.

 

[aidanjm]

It's so interesting that people have compassion for this old guy. But what about the mother who killed those three kids the other day? Most people seem to want her executed. Why is dementia considered a legitimate 'excuse' for killing someone (or at least, considered a reasonable explanation as to why someone would out of the blue kill a stranger, or their three kids), whereas something like schizophrenia is not.

 

[KevinH]

Originally posted by: aidanjm
It's so interesting that people have compassion for this old guy. But what about the mother who kiled those three kids the other day? Most people seem to want her executed. Why is dementia considered a legitimate 'excuse' for killing someone, whereas something like schizophrenia is dismissed.

No offense, but the OT and P&N crowd ain't teh same. You should know that..

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: KevinH

Originally posted by: aidanjm
It's so interesting that people have compassion for this old guy. But what about the mother who kiled those three kids the other day? Most people seem to want her executed. Why is dementia considered a legitimate 'excuse' for killing someone, whereas something like schizophrenia is dismissed.

No offense, but the OT and P&N crowd ain't teh same. You should know that..

What?

 

[Polish3d]

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
What will putting a person in jail prove/accomplish?

Well he committed a crime punishiable by a jail sentence, which is reason one.


Second, it may act as a deterrent to others who would abuse driving this way.


Sad case all around.

 

[episodic]

Originally posted by: shira

Originally posted by: episodic
Yes, jail is warranted.

It is no different than drunk driving. When he was lucid and not in a state of dementia, he should have the forethought to know that he has dementia and could possibly have that episoide while driving. No different that drunk driving. We need to put some of these grey hairs in prison. Maybe that will be a wake up call for some of them.

Why is it they will put a 14 year old in prison, but not a 90 year old. The 90 year old CERTAINLY SHOULD KNOW better.

You seem to be overlooking information in the story that indicates that Mr. Parker suffered very rapid deterioration of his mental capacity, apparently only in the last week. So when you mention "forethought", it's not clear to me what you're getting at.

How was Parker supposed to know that that he had demented episodes? When he's lucid, he's lucid. When he's not lucid, he may not realize it (and when he becomes lucid again he may not realize he was ever non-lucid). So how could he anticipate "episodes" he may never have been aware of.

I have a female friend whose father was sharp as a tack to the age of 92. Even at that age, he still commanded $250 and hour as a mathematics consultant, which he did not because he needed the money, but because he needed the mental stimulation. And then he suffered a series of mini-strokes, and within just a couple of days he was diagnosed with dementia. He was dead within six weeks.

So the condition of the elderly can change rapidly.

Absent evidence that Parker "should have known", I say take away his license and keep him safe.

You would not say this if it were a 22 year old claiming the same thing, I feel.

 

[Jhhnn]

Dementia can be episodic, which is apparently what happened in this case. The guy doesn't belong in jail, he belongs in a care facility.

It's not a 22 year old claiming the same thing, frackal, so come back to reality, Mkay? People who've never dealt with issues of advanced aging in their loved ones really can't understand the issues... of watching helplessly as once proud and stong individuals are reduced to former shells of themselves, with their capacities eroded away to nothing... yet their desire for freedom and independence as strong as ever...

 

[Darkhawk28]

Man needs to be in a nursing home and his license revoked.

After the age of 70, all drivers should be tested, physically and mentally for reissue of said license.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Condor
You can't ticket the guy for jaywalking and reckless endangerment, he's dead!

LOL.. no one caught this I guess?

Dementia can be episodic, which is apparently what happened in this case. The guy doesn't belong in jail, he belongs in a care facility.

It's not a 22 year old claiming the same thing, frackal, so come back to reality, Mkay? People who've never dealt with issues of advanced aging in their loved ones really can't understand the issues... of watching helplessly as once proud and stong individuals are reduced to former shells of themselves, with their capacities eroded away to nothing... yet their desire for freedom and independence as strong as ever...

Don't worry no judge would let them pursue this case since thier not pimple farmers already pissed off at the world for what I dunno.. A jury would never convict either.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: aidanjm
It's so interesting that people have compassion for this old guy. But what about the mother who killed those three kids the other day? Most people seem to want her executed. Why is dementia considered a legitimate 'excuse' for killing someone (or at least, considered a reasonable explanation as to why someone would out of the blue kill a stranger, or their three kids), whereas something like schizophrenia is not.

It's not an "excuse" it's apples to oranges piss poor anaolgy. Ones an accident other has malace and forethought, who cares about thier mental state? At most this is a 3rd degree manslaughter case where no jail time is served usually anyway.

 

[Mucho]

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
What will putting a person in jail prove/accomplish?

For one thing he wont be driving anymore.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: aidanjm
It's so interesting that people have compassion for this old guy. But what about the mother who killed those three kids the other day? Most people seem to want her executed. Why is dementia considered a legitimate 'excuse' for killing someone (or at least, considered a reasonable explanation as to why someone would out of the blue kill a stranger, or their three kids), whereas something like schizophrenia is not.

It's not an "excuse" it's apples to oranges piss poor anaolgy. Ones an accident other has malace and forethought, who cares about thier mental state? At most this is a 3rd degree manslaughter case where no jail time is served usually anyway.

Huh? Where do you get this malice and forethought thingi?

 

[Dissipate]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Man needs to be in a nursing home and his license revoked.

After the age of 70, all drivers should be tested, physically and mentally for reissue of said license.

Try telling that to all the old people who vote.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Man needs to be in a nursing home and his license revoked.

After the age of 70, all drivers should be tested, physically and mentally for reissue of said license.

Try telling that to all the old people who vote.

True, but I'm not looking at it from a poltical point of view, but from a common sense and safety point of view.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: episodic
Yes, jail is warranted.

It is no different than drunk driving. When he was lucid and not in a state of dementia, he should have the forethought to know that he has dementia and could possibly have that episoide while driving. No different that drunk driving. We need to put some of these grey hairs in prison. Maybe that will be a wake up call for some of them.

Why is it they will put a 14 year old in prison, but not a 90 year old. The 90 year old CERTAINLY SHOULD KNOW better.

I disagree. Most drunks know they're drunks. You have no way of knowing what this guy is aware of or when. He needs to be in an environment suitable for his own safety and the safety of others, but beyond that, this is just a tragic set of events.

 

[episodic]

At some point this man should have realized he was to dam old to drive. At that point (probably in his late 70's) in my opinion he became culpable for anything that happenend afterwards.

Again, if a 20 year old had a degenerating condition and continued to drive, they'd throw the book.

 

[tommywishbone]

He killed the guy... didn't hurt him, killed him. Slammer. Sorry.