should teachers be paid 125k/yr?

[brainhulk]

http://www.cnbc.com/id/102284465

Brilliant. Teachers who don't give a shit suck.

 

[reallyscrued]

No.

Just get rid of the concept of tenure and make it a lot easier to fire teachers based on performance.

Want higher test scores? Put a system in place that actually weeds out teachers based on how much they suck.

 

[manimal]

Really good ones should

I know a few who make that at the university level. They are smart and rare and deserve it.


preschool? Not so much

 

[poofyhairguy]

I think any wage amount depends on location. $125k where I live in Texas would be nuts, but it would be more middle class in places like San Fran.

 

[Jaskalas]

Elementary should teach them the fundamentals.
Middle School should teach them how to learn.
High School should be redefined by Google.
College... see above.

We no longer need hundred million dollar institutions. I predict that campuses have gone extinct, they just don't know it yet.

Within that context, arguing over teacher pay in a fossilized institution seems a bit... quaint.

 

[IronWing]

No.

Just get rid of the concept of tenure and make it a lot easier to fire teachers based on performance.

Want higher test scores? Put a system in place that actually weeds out teachers based on how much they suck.

We used to be able to weed out students that suck. That worked out pretty well.

 

[Scarpozzi]

University professors who are often far more educated don't typically make that much. You have to teach science/math/business to make that kind of money and chair committees (ie...do extra work).

I can definitely see the need for teachers to make more money after proving themselves. Starting pay should be on the lower end of the scale, but there is definitely room for improvement in a lot of places. I would have more sympathy for their wages if they weren't on a 10 month schedule. It's still a valuable profession to our society and difficult dealing with the students that don't care and the parents who believe everything their deadbeat kids tell them.

 

[DrunkenSano]

Most teachers don't even work a whole year, which makes their pay even more ludicrous. One of the most over-paid positions, followed by overtime pay for police. Police pay should be determined by how dangerous the area is, not by how rich the area is.

 

[ImpulsE69]

Good teachers are underpaid IMO. Colleges are over paid.

 

[KeithP]

The study shows that students attending the Manhattan middle school, called The Equity Project, progressed more quickly than similar children attending traditional city schools...

Zeke Vanderhoek, the school's founder and principal, touts the importance of teacher quality in driving student progress. In his mind, offering top-tier salaries will attract the best teachers to the school...

...And while The Equity Project's eighth graders outperformed students citywide on state math exams in 2013, only 43 percent of them passed.

So lets start with the most important thing..."correlation does not imply causation".

Basically, all they are saying here is that this charter school out performed public schools which, given the performance of public schools doesn't mean much.

Only 43 percent of the 8th graders passed state math exams at this charter school. Sure, high salary will attract the best teachers but clearly, at least in this case, the best teachers still aren't getting the job done.

-KeithP

 

[drebo]

There should not be a salary cap for good performers of any job.

There should not be a wage floor for poor performers, either.

 

[Wreckem]

Most teachers don't even work a whole year, which makes their pay even more ludicrous. One of the most over-paid positions, followed by overtime pay for police. Police pay should be determined by how dangerous the area is, not by how rich the area is.

Teachers may work 187-190 days out of the year but they still work the same number of hours as an average american full time worker.

 

[uclaLabrat]

University professors who are often far more educated don't typically make that much. You have to teach science/math/business to make that kind of money and chair committees (ie...do extra work).

I can definitely see the need for teachers to make more money after proving themselves. Starting pay should be on the lower end of the scale, but there is definitely room for improvement in a lot of places. I would have more sympathy for their wages if they weren't on a 10 month schedule. It's still a valuable profession to our society and difficult dealing with the students that don't care and the parents who believe everything their deadbeat kids tell them.

University professors often do make that much, depending on the school. In the cal state system they probably start at $60K, in the UC system they can start around $100K, and I know of several that make $200-300K. Public school university salaries are public domain.

 

[Majes]

Most teachers don't even work a whole year, which makes their pay even more ludicrous. One of the most over-paid positions, followed by overtime pay for police. Police pay should be determined by how dangerous the area is, not by how rich the area is.

So 30 or 40k a year to start for working 10 months, but working probably 10+ hours a day is being over paid?

Interesting. I was going to say teachers are a little underpaid or in some cases fairly compensated.

 

[IronWing]

Teachers may work 187-190 days out of the year but they still work the same number of hours(and in many cases more) as an average american full time worker.

This. And teachers are on stage all the time. It would suck.

 

[Wreckem]

This. And teachers are on stage all the time. It would suck.

Yes. Teachers don't have much down time to nef at work like most ATOT'ers.

I know a first year HS teacher that teaches on a 7 of 8(teaches 7 out of 8 periods) schedule with 5 preps each with different content. They teach a speciality and they have to write the curriculum as they go/lesson plan. Plus they sponsor a club and coach debate. Yeah they work well more than the average full time employee works. They are at campus 6am to 4pm and then work 2 hrs at home each day and 4 hours on sunday.

 

[Scarpozzi]

University professors often do make that much, depending on the school. In the cal state system they probably start at $60K, in the UC system they can start around $100K, and I know of several that make $200-300K. Public school university salaries are public domain.

It depends on what they teach, where they're published, etc.... If they teach med school, pharmacy, or other application fields that could earn bank in the real world, Academia may have to pay more to staff the positions... Many of those positions don't pay as much because the university benefits of fewer hours, pension, and notoriety all make they sought after by those who don't want to join the rat race.

I've actually seen some associate professor positions pay $45-50k in history and sociology... It's understandable though in some markets and for some top schools they would be willing to pay much more for top quality staff.

 

[Mai72]

Yes. Teachers don't have much down time to nef at work like most ATOT'ers.

I know a first year HS teacher that teaches on a 7 of 8(teaches 7 out of 8 periods) schedule with 5 preps each with different content. They teach a speciality and they have to write the curriculum as they go/lesson plan. Plus they sponsor a club and coach debate. Yeah they work well more than the average full time employee works. They are at campus 6am to 4pm and then work 2 hrs at home each day and 4 hours on sunday.

That's because he/she is a first year teacher. Give them a few years and they will come in at 8:05 and leave at 3:00pm on most days. I've worked with educators and the only ones that stayed late were the old teachers. The young/middle aged teachers were out the door when the end bell rang.

I've also been told that high school teachers have it much easier than elementary teachers, because they don't have to prep their classrooms. It's hard work to setup bulletin boards on a weekly basis. This is something elementary ed teachers have to do.

 

[Mai72]

This principal was probably getting paid $90k a year.

 

[Mai72]

So 30 or 40k a year to start for working 10 months, but working probably 10+ hours a day is being over paid?

Interesting. I was going to say teachers are a little underpaid or in some cases fairly compensated.

I worked in a few public schools and most teachers left once the bell rang. I'd notice a few beginner teachers stay later, but I mostly saw teachers leave to go home when school was over.

 

[NutBucket]

A teacher who can motivate kids who don't care about school should get $1 mil a year. Teaching a room full of "gifted" students presents it's own challenges but on the whole is probably easier.

 

[Scarpozzi]

I worked in a few public schools and most teachers left once the bell rang. I'd notice a few beginner teachers stay later, but I mostly saw teachers leave to go home when school was over.

A lot will pick up extra duties, morning/after school bus duty....or seasonal coaching to make extra money. In some schools, the seasonal coaching jobs may pay $1-5k extra for so many months of attending games/practices...and sometimes they'll lump in morning bus duty on top of that since no one else wants it. 😀

 

[brianmanahan]

a family member of mine is a great HS math teacher, and last i knew he was making almost 100$k with 30 years experience

that's not counting the pension and 3 months of the summer off, in which he works another job

like i said though, he's really good at what he does. works at a good school in a well-to-do neighborhood over an hour away from his home

 

[halik]

Sure, even more if that's what they bring to the table. The worst thing that can happen is cap talented teachers at some average union rate.

 

[Mai72]

A teacher who can motivate kids who don't care about school should get $1 mil a year. Teaching a room full of "gifted" students presents it's own challenges but on the whole is probably easier.

How about a teacher who teaches a classroom full of children who are emotionally and behaviorally disabled. You want to talk about earning your pay!

😀