should teachers be paid 125k/yr?

[Mai72]

A lot will pick up extra duties, morning/after school bus duty....or seasonal coaching to make extra money. In some schools, the seasonal coaching jobs may pay $1-5k extra for so many months of attending games/practices...and sometimes they'll lump in morning bus duty on top of that since no one else wants it.

True...

 

[Nebor]

That's because he/she is a first year teacher. Give them a few years and they will come in at 8:05 and leave at 3:00pm on most days. I've worked with educators and the only ones that stayed late were the old teachers. The young/middle aged teachers were out the door when the end bell rang.

I've also been told that high school teachers have it much easier than elementary teachers, because they don't have to prep their classrooms. It's hard work to setup bulletin boards on a weekly basis. This is something elementary ed teachers have to do.

Can confirm. Half the chicks you meet on Tinder are teachers in Teach for America. They get paid better than most starting teachers, but I haven't met a single one that liked teaching. They just want to move around and party.

 

[halik]

Can confirm. Half the chicks you meet on Tinder are teachers in Teach for America. They get paid better than most starting teachers, but I haven't met a single one that liked teaching. They just want to move around and party.

HA! Oddly true, future brother in law trolls Tindr non-stop and there seems to be oddly large concentration of teachers.

 

[Rhezuss]

Tell me how you can monitor performances when classes are now a mix of "normal" childrens and childrens with behavior disorders, bipolars, obsessive-compulsive problems, autistics, etc

Classrooms here in Quebec are just f'ed up and teachers no longer have permanent psychoeducator to help them deal with childrens in need. They're left alone with 25-33% of the class composed of troubled children in need of a better supervision.

And now the canadian governement announced that they'll add 4 more children in the classrooms, more worked hours but they'll freeze the salaries...way to go...

Teachers should be more recognized for their work than this.

 

[cabri]

Most teachers don't even work a whole year, which makes their pay even more ludicrous. One of the most over-paid positions, followed by overtime pay for police. Police pay should be determined by how dangerous the area is, not by how rich the area is.

Teachers will put in a 10-12 hour day 4-5 days a week between planning and grading after normal school hours.

 

[manimal]

HA! Oddly true, future brother in law trolls Tindr non-stop and there seems to be oddly large concentration of teachers.

married man trolling for dates on tinder? Tell your sis!

 

[halik]

Tell me how you can monitor performances when classes are now a mix of "normal" childrens and childrens with behavior disorders, bipolars, obsessive-compulsive problems, autistics, etc

Classrooms here in Quebec are just f'ed up and teachers no longer have permanent psychoeducator to help them deal with childrens in need. They're left alone with 25-33% of the class composed of troubled children in need of a better supervision.

And now the canadian governement announced that they'll add 4 more children in the classrooms, more worked hours but they'll freeze the salaries...way to go...

Teachers should be more recognized for their work than this.

In Europe they weed kids out into tracks at like 5th grade. You take a test and they put you into either a college track, trades track or special education.

I don't see how this would work in the states though, where everyone is a precious little flower; just imagine the butthurt of some dumb kid's helicopter parents when s/he gets put into the trades track.

 

[Mai72]

Tell me how you can monitor performances when classes are now a mix of "normal" childrens and childrens with behavior disorders, bipolars, obsessive-compulsive problems, autistics, etc

Classrooms here in Quebec are just f'ed up and teachers no longer have permanent psychoeducator to help them deal with childrens in need. They're left alone with 25-33% of the class composed of troubled children in need of a better supervision.

And now the canadian governement announced that they'll add 4 more children in the classrooms, more worked hours but they'll freeze the salaries...way to go...

Teachers should be more recognized for their work than this.

The Canadian education system has many issues. The main issue is nepotism. It's nearly impossible to get a teaching position in Canada unless you know someone. This is effectively leaving out a large pool of talented teachers who can't find work unless they are committed to subbing for 10 years.

We have nepotism in America as well. We had an opening for a special ed position. They had many quality candidates with years of experience. They were all overlooked for a young teacher who was hired because his mommy was on the school board. A more qualified educator was available, but they chose to pursue nepotism. In the end the children suffer because they are stuck with an inferior teacher.

 

[halik]

married man trolling for dates on tinder? Tell your sis!

Ha other definition of brother in law; my fiancee's brother.

 

[NikolaeVarius]

In Europe they weed kids out into tracks at like 5th grade. You take a test and they put you into either a college track, trades track or special education.

I don't see how this would work in the states though, where everyone is a precious little flower; just imagine the butthurt of some dumb kid's helicopter parents when s/he gets put into the trades track.

Or it could be the fact that school performance in the 5th grade doesn't have any relevance to what a person likes to do/is good at when they're older.

 

[yhelothar]

Some of the greatest teachers are accessible to anyone for free with MOCCs and Khan Academy. Many schools have adopted this in which homework would be time spent going through online lectures at the pace of the students and classtime would be spent doing exercises together. The role of having a great teacher is strongly diminished with the advent of these online resources.

 

[DrPizza]

No.

Just get rid of the concept of tenure and make it a lot easier to fire teachers based on performance.

Want higher test scores? Put a system in place that actually weeds out teachers based on how much they suck.

Actually, NY and other states have made it a lot easier to fire teachers based on performance, regardless of tenure. Tenure only gives teachers the right to due process. The problem isn't with tenure - part of the problem is with lazy administrators and school boards who don't want to bother with due process.

Another part of the problem is measuring poor performance. How do you measure poor performance consistently and fairly? "The contrast is stark—students' test scores jumped the equivalent of an extra year and a half of schooling in math..." "And while The Equity Project's eighth graders outperformed students citywide on state math exams in 2013, only 43 percent of them passed. " So, are these teachers bad because 57% of their students failed? Or are these teachers good because in one year, their students made far more than one year's worth of progress in mathematics?

 

[darkewaffle]

I think it's a sound idea. The fact that we don't pay [many] professions that actually "do good" very well under the expectation that the "good" will make up for it keeps a lot of great candidates out of the field because they're forced into making the choice of "doing good" and "doing well". Kudos to those that choose the former, but I think paying teachers and a few other professions substantially more would really help incentivize getting good people in those jobs.

 

[K1052]

125K for a good teacher in Manhattan sounds fairly reasonable. COL isn't exactly low.

 

[Nebor]

married man trolling for dates on tinder? Tell your sis!

Married people don't make it long on Tinder. It uses your facebook profile and location. So even if you make a new facebook profile (to avoid being shown to friends of friends first) the odds of no one in your area recognizing you as that married dude\girl are pretty low.

 

[Mai72]

What about holding the parents liable? How can you teach a child when they miss 20+ days of school? Who should take the brunt of the blame?

 

[IGBT]

the concept of "free" education..which in reality was never free needs to be replaced by tuition based education. This would personally involve the parents because now they have a vested interest and superfluous non education "classes" could be ended in favor of STEM based education. Fact of the matter is if your kids aren't studying STEM..they are not studying and will end up with degrees in nothing.

 

[Rakehellion]

should teachers be paid 125k/yr?

Yes.

Everyone is all "think of the children" when it comes to locking people up, but education is unimportant for some reason.

 

[Rakehellion]

Married people don't make it long on Tinder. It uses your facebook profile and location. So even if you make a new facebook profile (to avoid being shown to friends of friends first) the odds of no one in your area recognizing you as that married dude\girl are pretty low.

You can make a fake profile.

 

[Nebor]

You can make a fake profile.

I don't understand the point of doing that. A fake profile with pictures of someone else? That'd work out great...

 

[Rakehellion]

I don't understand the point of doing that. A fake profile with pictures of someone else? That'd work out great...

With pictures of you, dingus.

 

[Belegost]

Actually, NY and other states have made it a lot easier to fire teachers based on performance, regardless of tenure. Tenure only gives teachers the right to due process. The problem isn't with tenure - part of the problem is with lazy administrators and school boards who don't want to bother with due process.

Another part of the problem is measuring poor performance. How do you measure poor performance consistently and fairly? "The contrast is stark—students' test scores jumped the equivalent of an extra year and a half of schooling in math..." "And while The Equity Project's eighth graders outperformed students citywide on state math exams in 2013, only 43 percent of them passed. " So, are these teachers bad because 57% of their students failed? Or are these teachers good because in one year, their students made far more than one year's worth of progress in mathematics?

The question I have: this is a charter school, was there any control for the selectivity in students attending?

If the better students from regular schools move to the charter school, then better than average results are expected just on the basis of that selectivity. And this bias is expected, student performance is highly correlated with parental involvement, and involved parents are more likely to get their children into a charter school.

 

[CPA]

So lets start with the most important thing..."correlation does not imply causation".

Basically, all they are saying here is that this charter school out performed public schools which, given the performance of public schools doesn't mean much.

Only 43 percent of the 8th graders passed state math exams at this charter school. Sure, high salary will attract the best teachers but clearly, at least in this case, the best teachers still aren't getting the job done.

-KeithP

Valid point, but generally charter schools are for at-risk students. If that's the case with this school, then 43% may be well worth the cost.

 

[DrPizza]

The question I have: this is a charter school, was there any control for the selectivity in students attending?

If the better students from regular schools move to the charter school, then better than average results are expected just on the basis of that selectivity. And this bias is expected, student performance is highly correlated with parental involvement, and involved parents are more likely to get their children into a charter school.

That's an excellent point that I, too, have made many times in the past.

 

[Majes]

I worked in a few public schools and most teachers left once the bell rang. I'd notice a few beginner teachers stay later, but I mostly saw teachers leave to go home when school was over.

I've found that (not counting new teachers who get to school early and leave late) there are teachers that either get to school early or stay late. These teachers also take home work to grade and do planning from home.

Most of the teachers at secondary schools also have club/sports responsibilities that they may or may not receive compensation for. I don't have a lot of experience in Elementary schools but I think they plan even more than most secondary teachers.