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Should religion be banned?

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Whereas from previous threads, we know that society is the only thing keeping atheists from behaving like an asshole toward others, except that they didn't admit it.

It is called social structure. A hypothetical thought experiment :
When we would take a person of age 10 randomly out of for example your city. We place that person for the next 50 years isolated somewhere in a forest without radio, internet, books or any other human. Just enough knowledge about how to stay alive. When we come back after 50 years, what would be the behaviour ? That person would still recognize us but would not function in a modern social structure anymore. Religion was and is a handy tool for social structure. But unfortunately it can easily be abused. Just as easy as it is to feed an atheist with idea's of how people should live is it easy to feed someone religious with idea's how someone should live. Neither has to be right.

It is all about social structures, how do you behave towards one and other.
But as in all cases with religion, first there is someone who has a vision and then there are people who want power. Have you ever seen a religion where the people could decide what would happen and not the priest/iman/prophet/god ? Afcourse you can have some riot. But then there is always someone who has gods voice in his ear... Convenient is it not ?

It depends on by what kind of ground rules people are willing to live. With out social control, where everybody freely gives up some freedom to live together and take care of each other, the social structure will always breakdown. Excesses will appear, corruption, crime and so on. It is the strength and it is the weakness of cooperation. The chinese mention yin and yang, it is true.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yin_and_yang
 
Religion doesn't need to be banned.

Education needs to be increased to the point where we no longer believe in fairy tales.

Improved education would rectify a lot of other problems too. Kids should be taught the basics of financial management, sexual education, physical education and nutrition.

Basically though, we need a shift to a more critical thinking/reasoning approach in the education system, rather than rote memorization. Kids who grasp problem solving and reasoning skills can at least make an informed decision about the validity of religion.
 
It is all about social structures, how do you behave towards one and other.
But as in all cases with religion, first there is someone who has a vision and then there are people who want power. Have you ever seen a religion where the people could decide what would happen and not the priest/iman/prophet/god ? Afcourse you can have some riot. But then there is always someone who has gods voice in his ear... Convenient is it not ?

It depends on by what kind of ground rules people are willing to live. With out social control, where everybody freely gives up some freedom to live together and take care of each other, the social structure will always breakdown. Excesses will appear, corruption, crime and so on. It is the strength and it is the weakness of cooperation. The chinese mention yin and yang, it is true.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yin_and_yang

There are other social institutions, such as education, which can teach us a balanced approach to living with others in a relatively free society.

Where education differs from religion though, is that for the most part, it is not propagandized to further a leader's power or control over others. It is about a quest for objective knowledge and understanding. There are still occasional problems with people using, for example, junk science to dictate government policy, as no institution is perfect.

The alternative though - religious leaders preaching intolerance and death to those of differing culture, sexual orientation or political viewpoints, is far worse.
 
Religion doesn't need to be banned.

Education needs to be increased to the point where we no longer believe in fairy tales.

Yet the most highly educated among us STILL believe in fairy tales. Good luck.

As humans we're programed to fill in the dots. To make assumptions and mischaracterizations, just look at P&N.
 
There are other social institutions, such as education, which can teach us a balanced approach to living with others in a relatively free society.

Where education differs from religion though, is that for the most part, it is not propagandized to further a leader's power or control over others. It is about a quest for objective knowledge and understanding. There are still occasional problems with people using, for example, junk science to dictate government policy, as no institution is perfect.

The alternative though - religious leaders preaching intolerance and death to those of differing culture, sexual orientation or political viewpoints, is far worse.

Indeed, but changes do not happen over night nor do people forget in one night. Look at the saudi video for example. I think they where doing a good job changing a very religious country, a under developed country to a modern country in a very short time span. Unfortunately, they left the feeding ground open for people with hostile fundamental idea's. That is what they did wrong.

However, as another example a large part of the US is pretty deep in some fundamental christianity. That is something to worry about too. I don't want a person like John Hagee preaching the usa should go to war with the entire middle east to protect Israel. And i have seen some video's where he actually did that. For the world to come to peace, the entire western world including russia needs to work together to solve the israel / palestina question.

It is the same as we in the west helping in Afghanistan. Slowly changing the people. But it would be a lot easier if all the democratic(no not the US party but generally speaking) countries in the world would help. If one would help people and show them ones way is better, that is get an education and as you have said yourself 😀 and learn to think before acting, people become moderate believers themselves automatically. The fast solution is to kill them all. But then we would be just as savage as any other uneducated savage of a human. Feeding hate to the survivors and sympathizers. The true solution is showing education is the right way. Let them come themselves. If you force humans, they will only fight you harder until they are dead. Let them see your way and they will grow on their own. This can clearly be seen in Afghanistan. Now everybody is leaving, the people are left alone with very dangerous people who want their base of power back. And we are not there to prevent them. Kind of obvious what will happen. The situation turns as before the invasion of Afghanistan and the people have no more trust in the west. To many countries do not like the west because of lost good will. Looking at the west with suspicion, which is not that strange. A great example is europe where more and more countries are wanting to or are already pulling out of Afghanistan.. If europe and the russians and the usa work together it is easier to drive out bad influence. Then people with moderate religious believes can rebuild their country. The will is there, we just need to provide the knowledge.
Unfortunately their are to much political interests clashing.
Unfortunately, companies like halliburton want to make a quick buck and would rather build everything themselves for too high prices. Leaving the people in the dark. Long time investment is what people should think about. And not that short term thinking we see so obvious in the western companies.

EDIT : If someone has worked hard to build something up, that person is less likely to let it be blown up.
 
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You're going to far. All that's necessary is to ban religious people from public office.

We could accomplish a lot of good is it weren't for psychotic politicians and their imaginary super-friends.
In other words, you quoted my post but didn't read it or, at the very least, understand it. Noted.
 
Find the religion Cain followed which caused him to kill his brother Able and lie to God, then ban it and all should be well.

















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“To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary. To one without faith, no explanation is possible.”
-Saint Thomas Aquinas
 
I found this text, it is from Confucius and i think it fits in this discussion.

If persons love kindness, but do not love study...
Their shortcomings will be ignorance.

If persons love wisdom, but do not love sound ideas...
Their shortcomings will be having fancifull ideas.

If persons loves honesty but do not love to study...
Their shortcomings will be to spoill or upset things.

If persons loves simplicity but do not love to study...
Their shortcomings will be the sheer following of routine.

If persons love courage but do not love study...
Their shortcomings will be unruliness or violence.

If persons loves decision of character but do not love study...
Their shortcomings will be self will or headstrong believe in themselves.
 
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You know, it really says a lot that you need to attribute unappetizing ideas to the "libs" you seem to hate so much. I'm guessing you probably don't spew the same kind of crap to cons who profess to follow a church of love and acceptance, but in action support discrimination and intolerance.

Despite the abundance of bad ideas on both sides, the banning of religion sounds a lot more likely from the libs than the cons. So in this context, the lib bashing seems appropriate.
 
Not this shit again. He wasn't Religious.
Why split hairs over the literal meaning of the words religion and spirituality? He believed in the existence of an ultimate intelligence in the universe, and he sometimes used the word God to describe it.
 
Zebo shows the typical liberal thought process: "freedom is great, as long as it's the freedom to do things I approve of or believe things I believe in. Otherwise, it needs to be reigned in."

Then he's not really a social liberal, is he? Don't compare him with socially permissive people, like myself, conservative dog.

Edit: Responding to the OP, banning religion would cause more harm than good. It's freedoms that drive humanity's advancements and genius. Anything asinine or ludicrous will eventually be filtered out. Don't lose sight of freedom and liberty, or you're no better than the social dinosaurs who cause the problems in the first place.
 
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"The cosmic religious experience is the strongest and noblest driving force behind scientific research."
 
Fundi Catholics buttfucking children.

Muslims - nuff said.

Hindi's killing their daughters.


Thoughts?

None of these things has anything ( even remotely ) to do with any religion.

No religion teaches people to Buttfuck children, Kill innocent people, or Killing your daughter.

If I am wrong show me one.
 
None of these things has anything ( even remotely ) to do with any religion.

No religion teaches people to Buttfuck children, Kill innocent people, or Killing your daughter.

If I am wrong show me one.

Both Christianity and Islam have parts in their holy books than command the murder of children..murder of rape victims..stoning of women who aren't virgins on their wedding nights, etc. As for raping children, that particular commandment is not in the bible..but when a religion forces priests to become celibate and drones the idea in their head that sex is bad and lusting after women is a sin, you are repressing a natural human instinct..so they end up unleashing it on kids when they think they can get away with it.
 
Should religion be banned?
This has been tried before and only caused trouble. The best solution is to have a strict separation of church and state.
 
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