Should religion be banned?

[3chordcharlie]

Yes, The greatest document ever created but has two flaws.
1. religion
2. no balanced budget amendment

As far a isolated that's just not true. Many of thier actions are carried out by most pious men like priests and Madrassa (islamic religious school) graduates. And most of what they do is doctrine.

Only a responsible government would seek to enact a balanced budget amendment. And a responsible government wouldn't need a balanced budget amendment.

 

[William Gaatjes]

Awesome post budda. Gotta go run then pick up boys from school but I'll add more later.

Thank you. But for clarity, i mean spiritual love for each other. Not hippy love where people all start humping each other and everything.

And i am not a freemason or a devil worshipper nor am i grey with big eyes. ()🙂

To do some really no science based speculating :
One possibility is that some of the original jewish families is in fact from origin related to some of the egyptian dynasties... Perhaps thats why some jewish families feel they have an edge over the rest of the people in the world. The same as the aristocratic families in europe have "blue blood". Why well, look at some of the characteristics( I know, prejudice but forget it for a second) Sun of the Pharaoh Ramses II : Amun-her Khepeshef.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6614215/.

EDIT: A possible example of inbreeding might be found in the Osiris Isis story.
Where Isis is the wife and the sister of Osiris and they have a child called Horus.

Now, as it was common in the wealthy families in europe to have an amount of inbreeding,(to keep the wealth in the family) this seems to have been the case as well with some if not all of the egyptian dynasties. Why i mention this, what does inbreeding do ?

 

[Mursilis]

Religious people do them because you expect a reward (or fear a punishment) when you die.

All actions, by all people, religious or not, are done either in pursuit of reward or to avoid punishment. That's just basic psychology.

 

[Robor]

As much as I despise religion, I have to recognize that it is still a part of human society. A great many people are too stupid to think on their own, and therefore need guidance by some make-believe "greater power". Yes, I know it's pathetic, but it's necessary. Without religion many fools would be lost, and society as we know it would collapse. Hopefully, in the future, we will be able to free ourselves from the bonds of stupidity. Until that time, religion will be a part of our lives. Everyone knows this.

I withdraw my comment about the place being better with you banned. For now... :sneaky:

 

[shira]

Banning religion, at least for the reasons you mentioned, would be completely illogical unless we also banned government, as government commits at least as many "sins" as religion. Since only government or a mandate from the masses) could ban government, what you propose is clearly illogical.

You're going to far. All that's necessary is to ban religious people from public office.

We could accomplish a lot of good is it weren't for psychotic politicians and their imaginary super-friends.

 

[xj0hnx]

You're going to far. All that's necessary is to ban religious people from public office.

We could accomplish a lot of good is it weren't for psychotic politicians and their imaginary super-friends.

Yea, because there's no psychotic atheist, or agnostics.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Since I pretty much hold all organized religions in the same reguard I thought I would show this . I care not what people believe its their lives .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XoPg3xMx9m8&feature=related

 

[William Gaatjes]

Here is a documentary about the moslim moors in europe during 700 and 1500 AD. This is during the middle ages. Later on, the catholic christian church in Italy called for a crusade to hunt down and defeat the moors in spain and portugal. They succeeded at around 1500.


http://video.google.com/videoplay?d...G7itS_WoGNPH-QbqnezCBg&q=islam+europe&view=3#


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Andalus


Afcourse during the islamic golden age, all the knowledge the islamic armies found in their bloody quests where gathered together and stored and translated in Bagdad at the time. But that is not so much different from the war practices of the roman empire or the greeks.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_libraries_of_the_ancient_world

I do find it interesting that there is no mention of libraries in ancient china. While some very important inventions transferred as knowledge came from China.


I mentioned about pre islam arabic gods. It is fun to know that many of those gods and djinns/angels can be found in the koran as well... How about the fallen angel Satan in the old testament ? He can be found in the koran too as Shaytan or Iblis or as Samael in the jewish texts.

How about Gabriel ?

It is all the same, the formation of these religions started 6000 years ago in sumer. Tribal (families) with their own history and believes. Many sons come in handy when you want to fight and increase the wealth and influence of your family. Sounds familiar does it not...

Look at the Saudi arabia for a good example ?
The Saudi king had i think 40 to 50 son's ? Fit's in the ancient tradition does it not ? In europe and asia this can be found to. It is universal though, much offspring to help the family.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?d...&hl=en&view=3&emb=1#docid=4383835181717429209

EDIT:

I have to mention, we had civilizations long before sumer.
China already had writings before it was used in sumer. But many see sumer as the start of written text. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jiahu

These relics are 20.000 to 40.000 years old and found in what is now europe.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venus_of_Hohle_Fels

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venus_of_Willendorf

There are many many ancient civilizations still to be discovered.


Now too make it all scary and mystical and out of the realm of reality again :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lion_man_of_the_Hohlenstein_Stadel

This statue is a female for some and male for others but is dated about 32.000 years old.

A lion headed figure, first called the lion man (German: Löwenmensch, literally "lion person"), then the lion lady (German: Löwenfrau), is an ivory sculpture that is the oldest known zoomorphic (animal-shaped) sculpture in the world and one of the oldest known sculptures in general. The sculpture has also been interpreted as anthropomorphic, giving human characteristics to an animal, although it may have represented a deity

Mesopotamian mythology , Lilith or lamastu :

Lamashtu is depicted as a mythological hybrid, with a hairy body, a lioness' head with donkey's teeth and ears, long fingers and fingernails, and the feet of a bird with sharp talons.

Mesopotamian mythology ,Pazuzu :

Pazuzu is often depicted as a combination of diverse animal and human parts. He has the body of a man, the head of a lion or dog, eagle-like taloned feet, two pairs of wings, a scorpion's tail, and a serpentine penis. He is often depicted with his right hand pointing upward.

Egyptian mythology, Sekhmet:

In Egyptian mythology, Sekhmet (also spelled Sachmet, Sakhet, Sekmet, Sakhmet and Sekhet; and given the Greek name, Sacmis), was originally the warrior goddess of Upper Egypt. She is depicted as a lioness, the fiercest hunter known to the Egyptians. It was said that her breath created the desert. She was seen as the protector of the pharaohs and led them in warfare.

A picture : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Luxor_Sekhmet_New_Kingdom.JPG

Go figure...

 

[AzureNightmareX1]

This thread is pure trash, and the people who are lashing out against religion in it bring shame to all humans. You trash should have more respect for all religions, no matter how foolish it may seem. Religion is not whats wrong with this world, its people with closed minds who refuse to understand the logic of others.

 

[Noobtastic]

This thread is pure trash, and the people who are lashing out against religion in it bring shame to all humans. You trash should have more respect for all religions, no matter how foolish it may seem. Religion is not whats wrong with this world, its people with closed minds who refuse to understand the logic of others.

Religion sucked until the enlightenment.

Okay, it still sucked - but a lot less. Christianity is largely progressive today, but there's another religion out there that, well...isn't totally consistent with 21st century philosophy.

 

[Soltis]

Hmmm... not sure where to start..

I'll take the high road and say I won't even attempt to pin this thread on dems or libs or whatever political party because its just way too much fail to even do that.

IRONY ALERT: The country thats given you the freedom to openly discuss banning religion was founded by people seeking religious freedom to practice christianity.

1)I'm gonna go on a limb and guess that the majority of people posting here have never actually read any current religious document in its entirety.

2)[not so]Funny how people are totally willing to put blame on the religion whenever someone says i raped and/or killed because God or religion told me to. Honestly you really believe all, if any, of these people are telling the truth? "OMG but how can he be lying his religion says to always tell the truth?!?1?" lol last I checked people still had free agency. That includes the ability to follow only part of what you want, or to lie, or to "spin" anything you want.

3)You don't even seem to realize you're doing exact the same things you hated about religion. Judging entire groups by the actions of the few. Dubbing anyone who believes in a religion as weak and mindless, then trying to "free" them into your own world view. Stereotyping and "summing up" for lack of a better term, religions and the truth and detail in them.

4)The majority of your responses seem to come from example of religions from thousands of years ago, and the ones from today are only obvious bad situations. Would be interesting if we compared the number of radical/crazy religious people to the number of people who believe in something, yet are perfectly normal, and would say maybe better off because of their faith. I suppose some may argue theyre only saying its their faith and more likely there's other factors; see #2 in how a nutjob is perfectly believed when he says its his faith, but everyone who isn't insane must totally be lying/spinning how much their religion helps them.

5)You probably don't even realize that while you try to oppress religion you're setting the stage for something/someone else to take the place of the thing you hated most about it. You're effectively replacing their old god with your nameless(some say eventually to be called gov) one.


Take what you will from other religions, ideals and etc and the leave the rest, just always respect people's right to think/believe what they want, and defend yourself when the occasional nutjob tries to hurt you. That's more or less what I do at the end of the day.

 

[Noobtastic]

ramble ramble ramble, dont hate on religion11!!!!!!

Religion is a psychological handicap. It inspires people to detonate their children, send messages to some divine being a trill times a day, not eat certain foods, etc...etc...etc...

Totally absurd and pointless.

I don't think it should be banned because the vast majority of people are spirutual or religion. And if someone wants to believe there is some troll in the sky that controls everything, all right have fun with that.

Personally I think it's amusing and banning it would probably piss off a lot of religion-haters since their whole lifestyle is predicated on bashing christianity, islam, etc.

we don't want to deprive them of that right.

 

[AzureNightmareX1]

blah blah blah I hate religion its poopy and i dont understand it blah blah blah

you're really doing your best to piss me off aren't you...

 

[Soltis]

Religion is a psychological handicap. It inspires people to detonate their children, send messages to some divine being a trill times a day, not eat certain foods, etc...etc...etc...

Totally absurd and pointless.

I like what you did with my quote there, with the ones next to the exclamation points and everything. Too bad it only further proves how people so against religion usually generalize it instead of actually making informed decisions based on its content.

In all honesty though as long as you don't think it should be banned that's all I'm really concerned about in this thread. To each his own.

 

[HGC]

Ban people from freely associating? It's been tried. Stalin and Mao each had a good run, but it didn't work out in the end. It wasn't fun for their subjects, either.

 

[Noobtastic]

I like what you did with my quote there, with the ones next to the exclamation points and everything. Too bad it only further proves how people so against religion usually generalize it instead of actually making informed decisions based on its content.

In all honesty though as long as you don't think it should be banned that's all I'm really concerned about in this thread. To each his own.

I have nothing against religion. I'm not an anti-religion atheist. I don't even consider myself an atheist.

I just find the whole premise of religion unnecessary in the 21st century, especially in the developed world.

Then again, all religions are not created equal. I've lived in many places but in the USA I don't feel threatened by religion in any fashion. So I don't see why so many leftists flip out when a cross is built on public lands.

Have some self-respect...

 

[Ozoned]

Fundi Catholics buttfucking children.

Muslims - nuff said.

Hindi's killing their daughters.


Thoughts?

My thoughts are that you need to show me an example of where banning religion stops those things.

The moral foundation of civilization is not innate to human nature.

 

[Bateluer]

No, banning religion is well beyond the rights of government.

Now, levying a tax on organized religion, that's another question entirely.

 

[Red Dawn]

No, banning religion is well beyond the rights of government.

Now, levying a tax on organized religion, that's another question entirely.

Levying tax is fine and all but since many of them participate in charities they'd probably be able to write it off.

Even though I believe religion is utter bullshit I wouldn't want to prevent others from practicing it as long as it doesn't infringe on others.

 

[nonlnear]

No, banning religion is well beyond the rights of government.

Now, levying a tax on organized religion, that's another question entirely.

If an organization expects the government to enforce contractual obligations associated with a payment, then the government has a just right to tax that transaction to support the legal infrastructure needed to enforce the contract. (Here I am making a general assertion, not a claim of American law.)

If a church does not desire the state's aid in enforcing its contracts (like the Amish largely do, etc.), then a case could be made for total non interference...

 

[ebaycj]

My God, I didn't realize we had so many perfectly selfless people on this forum.

From previous threads, we know that you're a selfish motherfucker at the core, and your religion is the only thing keeping you from behaving like an asshole towards others. That much is by your own admission.

Based on that mindset, I could see how you would doubt others' degrees of selflessness. That's the whole premise of Moonbeam's self-hate theory. You see the rest of the world as you see yourself.

 

[ebaycj]

LIB sometimes maybe....I don't really attach myself to any grouping I mean I generally take all the facts in I can see which makes most sense. I have a tendency to waver a lot like with immigration reform, or taxes and lots of other things. A guy who has no religion does that. Nothing is black and white, that's too easy, too simpleton, too religious.

I wish more people here shared your worldview. Good on ya Zebo. 🙂

I'm of the same mentality, 100%.

 

[Atreus21]

From previous threads, we know that you're a selfish motherfucker at the core, and your religion is the only thing keeping you from behaving like an asshole towards others. That much is by your own admission.

Based on that mindset, I could see how you would doubt others' degrees of selflessness. That's the whole premise of Moonbeam's self-hate theory. You see the rest of the world as you see yourself.

Whereas from previous threads, we know that society is the only thing keeping atheists from behaving like an asshole toward others, except that they didn't admit it.

 

[SunSamurai]

No.

- Basically Atheist

 

[jpeyton]

Religion doesn't need to be banned.

Education needs to be increased to the point where we no longer believe in fairy tales.