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Should people who torrent be convicted thread.

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guyver01 said:
(1) ISP's are DHCP.. what may be your IP today, might not be your IP tomorrow, depending on the DHCP configuration and lease time. There's no way to do a logic gate decision based on whether the IP is assigned to you RIGHT NOW..
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I would imagine, and this is only with my limited knowledge of networking, that they would be easily able to check if the IP you're using is one they even assign.

(2) If the ISP is compromised, what's the thief gonna do... assign an ip to himself? i think if a major ISP is compromised, they got bigger issues than a DHCP log.
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But is it not still possible?
 
Alone said:
I would imagine, and this is only with my limited knowledge of networking, that they would be easily able to check if the IP you're using is one they even assign.
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Joe Blow is gonna sit outside your house, use your unsecured router, and download a movie illegally. IT came from your IP. The IP is assigned to the ROUTER... not to the user. Your ROUTER assigned a private IP to the user. EVERYTHING goes back thru the router.

If THAT happens.. your just as guilty as he is. You ALLOWED it to happen by not securing your router.
 
guyver01 said:
Joe Blow is gonna sit outside your house, use your unsecured router, and download a movie illegally. IT came from your IP. The IP is assigned to the ROUTER... not to the user. Your ROUTER assigned a private IP to the user. EVERYTHING goes back thru the router.

If THAT happens.. your just as guilty as he is. You ALLOWED it to happen by not securing your router.
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I thought you said that you had downloaded anime tv or movies in the past?
 
guyver01 said:
If THAT happens.. your just as guilty as he is. You ALLOWED it to happen by not securing your router.
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You obviously understand it better than I do, so I'll assume you're right.

I just think it's kind of ridiculous that the only way you can absolutely be secure is to leave your router unplugged.
 
kyrax12 said:
I think its more viable to go after the uploader of the files instead of the downloader.
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It makes more sense to go that route. Typically there are few dedicated uploading groups responsible for most of the torrents, so it would certainly be easier to go after them.

Kind of like it makes more sense to go after a drug dealer rather than a user.
 
guyver01 said:
yep.. and there are certain ones that are considered public domain, because there is no licence holder in the usa.. so fansubs of those are open season.
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Huh so you have never pirated any video or audio? Tsk tsk guyver I thought you were better than that. 🙁
 
Alone said:
I just think it's kind of ridiculous that the only way you can absolutely be secure is to leave your router unplugged.
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it isnt the only way.

secure your router properly... change the default password, choose an obscure PSK (Pre-shared Key) in your WiFi setup.. don't use "router" as the password and "access" as the psk key...

i haven't had anyone hack my router or use my connection and i follow BASIC common sense setup.

 
guyver01 said:
it isnt the only way.

secure your router properly... change the default password, choose an obscure PSK (Pre-shared Key) in your WiFi setup.. don't use "router" as the password and "access" as the psk key...

i haven't had anyone hack my router or use my connection and i follow BASIC common sense setup.

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*Sigh* If only this were just common sense.

I've got all that set up. I also have MAC address filtering and I used to not broadcast my SSID, however some devices don't play nice with a hidden SSID so I had to turn that back on.

You should also have added that they should use WPA2 if at all possible and NEVER WEP.

Note I DO pirate movies (animated ones) and TV. I no longer pirate software and games though I used to do lots of that years back. I now just use freeware for everything.
 
I'm a paid subscriber to Sirius primarily because I want to hear Howard Stern. The problem with that is I only hear the same portion of his show during my commute to work and my commute home from work so I do torrent his shows from time to time so I can hear some of the content I may have missed. I don't share it once I've downloaded it and I rarely even listen to half of what I download. I'd say it's similar to recording a radio broadcast...except I'm not sitting there with a tape recorder.

I fucking pay for it so I should be able to listen to it when I want I think.
 
its stealing. i dont download any music, movies without paying. i have a guilty conscience. had a few roms/emulators from back in the days that i started deleting too. bottom line, u aint pay for it, u stoled it.
 
there should not be a conviction, if anything a fine. not an exorbitant fine like $500k or something that completely financially ruins the person that does it (example is some suburban housewife who downloaded a children's show), but something like cost + speeding ticket for an offense.
 
LumbergTech said:
so if you are accused of downloading something illegally you lose your right to privacy? seems a little absurd
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This isn't just an accusation, it's also evidence. If someone copies down a license plate number, and that plate is registered to you, and the car was at the scene of a crime, what are you going to do? Whine that a neighbor might have stolen your plates temporarily and committed the crime? Well, that may very well be true. But I don't find it unreasonable for them to seize your car for evidence. And, if it turns out that the evidence isn't sufficient to charge you, then you're not in trouble.
 
guyver01 said:
Joe Blow is gonna sit outside your house, use your unsecured router, and download a movie illegally. IT came from your IP. The IP is assigned to the ROUTER... not to the user. Your ROUTER assigned a private IP to the user. EVERYTHING goes back thru the router.

If THAT happens.. your just as guilty as he is. You ALLOWED it to happen by not securing your router.
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No, you're not. Leaving a wireless network open by accident or purposely does not make you liable for the things that other people may download on it if you were not aware. It's similar to how the ISP is not legally responsible for what you download. The illegal act is done by the person clicking the download button. Otherwise, no coffee shop owner, library, or any other public place could possibly risk providing open internet access.
 
Here's an example of how you can get into trouble for something you haven't done.

My friend lives in Toronto and his ISP is Rogers. 2 months ago Rogers cut his service off for violating it's TOS. Basically he was accused of excessive downloading and computer "attacks" on various websites and users. My friend used to do IT and rarely downloads anything. They said his usage was way too high. So he installed some software to monitor the data transferred and had his service restored. He barely used any. They said he was still violating his TOS.

He then got mad and turned off all the PCs on his lan. His usage was still too high. He told them every computer at his home was turned off. They said he was lying. Following some advice from me, he turned off his cable modem. They said he was still downloading stuff. He told them to check his IP and see if his modem was off.

Well, I was correct when I suggested someone spoofed his modem's MAC. Rogers was then able to track down the guilty party. This took nearly a month for my friend to deal with and what did Rogers do about their mistake? Gave him 5 days credit for his troubles.

Just because it looks like you are doing something wrong, doesn't mean you're guilty.
 
I'm not in favor of it until bankers and other fraudsters at the top are prosecuted. The whole enforcement system reeks of protecting the top. But generally yes, rule of law is most important.
 
Iron Woode said:
Here's an example of how you can get into trouble for something you haven't done.

My friend lives in Toronto and his ISP is Rogers. 2 months ago Rogers cut his service off for violating it's TOS. Basically he was accused of excessive downloading and computer "attacks" on various websites and users. My friend used to do IT and rarely downloads anything. They said his usage was way too high. So he installed some software to monitor the data transferred and had his service restored. He barely used any. They said he was still violating his TOS.

He then got mad and turned off all the PCs on his lan. His usage was still too high. He told them every computer at his home was turned off. They said he was lying. Following some advice from me, he turned off his cable modem. They said he was still downloading stuff. He told them to check his IP and see if his modem was off.

Well, I was correct when I suggested someone spoofed his modem's MAC. Rogers was then able to track down the guilty party. This took nearly a month for my friend to deal with and what did Rogers do about their mistake? Gave him 5 days credit for his troubles.

Just because it looks like you are doing something wrong, doesn't mean you're guilty.
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Did your friend pissed off some cyber criminals or something?
 
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