Should people on goverment disability be allowed to have children?

[Macamus Prime]

Been there, done that, it was called Hitler's Germany ending in death camps and genocide. Thought all you Texas righties was agin' abotion and contraception or is that a "do what you say not what you do" concept?

China also has a limit on how many children are allowed to be had by its citizens. To praise the approach of a government or entity deciding who has how many children is communist and intrusive on an American citizen's life.

Yet, scum like the fingermen swine on these forums are OK with that.

But, scream bloody murder when someone tries to take a few more tax dollars from the $8.2 trillion dollars of high net worth folks in the USA.

It's digusting. Shows a total lack of humanity. And, it is clearly the work/propaganda of the "soldiers" in the frontlines of this class war.

Yet, these soldiers, like many others, won't get anything more than dismissiveness from their masters and swarmed by the "enemy".

 

[Macamus Prime]

That is called character.. Maybe you should check into it.

Lead by example, otherwise, don't point me ANYWHERE were you yourself can't even imagine going to.

 

[Agfadoc]

If you don't want me to talk to you like you're my bitch, then do us all a favor and save the fallacies for a different forum. Otherwise, I'll talk to you however I please.

Well, then, there goes the civility and any form of rational discussion, it takes a keyboard commando tough guy like you, in his moms basement, to really throw it out of whack. You must be one of the parasites sucking the life out of the rest of us.

Good job!

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[Agfadoc]

Lead by example, otherwise, don't point me ANYWHERE were you yourself can't even imagine going to.

What? I can't hear you through the high pitched whine.

 

[Modelworks]

This carries over to the children of such people. It is quite brutal to allow children to suffer under such policies, but what are we to do? We cannot care for all and such is life.

The reason we don't let people starve is because we are humans not wild animals. This isn't survival of the fittest. I don't believe in handing out cash to everyone that ask for it, but I do believe in helping others to have the basic necessities of life if they are in need of it.

I think the social support system is in need of a serious restructuring. I can't understand why in the USA we still have families without food, it makes no sense. I wonder if anyone has done a study on what it would cost to expand the meals on wheels type program to everyone in the USA that wants it. They would bring 3 meals a day for each person in the home . Surely the government could buy food in bulk cheaper than even the local grocery store could sell it. I wouldn't even require people to prove they needed it. Want the food, here you go, you live in the USA and that is the only qualification you need. Surely it would be cheaper than what we spend on wic and food stamps.

 

[dank69]

I got called out for using a straw man argument! I will respond with ad hominem attacks! QQ

Cry me a river.

 

[Texashiker]

China also has a limit on how many children are allowed to be had by its citizens. To praise the approach of a government or entity deciding who has how many children is communist and intrusive on an American citizen's life.

When the citizens will not govern themselves, then it is the job of the government to govern them.

Self-govern starts with self-control.

Those that can not control themselves, should be controlled by the government.

Without self-control, and without control from the government, we are left with anarchy.

 

[Macamus Prime]

When the citizens will not govern themselves, then it is the job of the government to govern them.

Self-govern starts with self-control.

Those that can not control themselves, should be controlled by the government.

Without self-control, and without control from the government, we are left with anarchy.

And who decides who isn't meeting the standards you've deemed necessary to fulfill, of how someone should live?

 

[Macamus Prime]

What? I can't hear you through the high pitched whine.

:biggrin:

You've further proved the point of what a slave you are to your fears and hate for your fellow man. Legitimate issues regarding someone's life and health are treated as whining.

Have you ever even seen a real life poor person?

 

[Texashiker]

And who decides who isn't meeting the standards you've deemed necessary to meet of how someone should live?

How about using logic? Since math is maybe the purest form of logic we have, lets use it.

If someone has more children then they can afford, then maybe the state should do something.

Example - homeless woman selling her body to support her drug habit gets knocked up every 12 months. Has kids that are born addicted to drugs, kids have health issues and go into the foster care system.

Example - married couple working at minimum wage has 5, 6 or 7 kids, draws benefits for 2 decades.

Why should the public be forced to subsidize people that are irresponsible?

 

[airdata]

When the citizens will not govern themselves, then it is the job of the government to govern them.
Self-govern starts with self-control.
Those that can not control themselves, should be controlled by the government.
Without self-control, and without control from the government, we are left with anarchy.

As Macimus Prime pointed out, people like you who probably cry socialist and communist over other issues are supporting it here openly.

It is a real tricky issue. I've seen plenty of people who shouldn't be having as many kids as they have. Especially with no way of supporting them.

But this is America. You can't just go around telling people when they can reproduce.

 

[Mursilis]

When the citizens will not govern themselves, then it is the job of the government to govern them.

No, it's not. But it's also not the job of the gov't to subsidize them.

 

[Macamus Prime]

How about using logic? Since math is maybe the purest form of logic we have, lets use it.

If someone has more children then they can afford, then maybe the state should do something.

Example - homeless woman selling her body to support her drug habit gets knocked up every 12 months. Has kids that are born addicted to drugs, kids have health issues and go into the foster care system.

Example - married couple working at minimum wage has 5, 6 or 7 kids, draws benefits for 2 decades.

Why should the public be forced to subsidize people that are irresponsible?

Who will pay for micro managing such activities? And stupid me thought you were all for logic.

Unless this "something" is actually nothing. To which then, you STILL have to spend money to ensure these people aren't getting any money. Who is going to look into and confirm, log and update all the of the things you listed?

I do not agree such people should be allowed on benefits - but, they are usually the extreme and rare case. Not everyone on benefits is out to rip off the system. Some people really do need the help.

And, others,.. clearly do not; http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2016943245_fraudsuit06m.html

Also, should the efforts of busting those who shouldn't be getting benefits be focused on those who clearly do NOT need it? Like the scum bags who lived in a mansion?

 

[Texashiker]

To which then, you STILL have to spend money to ensure these people aren't getting any money.

At least the money would go to people who wants to get out of bed and go to work.

Lets see:

Option A - pay someone to sit on their butt, watch tv all day, play on facebook and squeeze out babies every 11, 12, 13 months.

Option B - pay someone fill out paperwork and preform some kind of civic duty.

 

[Macamus Prime]

At least the money would go to people who wants to get out of bed and go to work.

Lets see:

Option A - pay someone to sit on their butt, watch tv all day, play on facebook and squeeze out babies every 11, 12, 13 months.

Option B - pay someone fill out paperwork and preform some kind of civic duty.

Option A isn't as rampant as you wish it to be to justify your selective communism.

 

[Agfadoc]

:biggrin:

You've further proved the point of what a slave you are to your fears and hate for your fellow man. Legitimate issues regarding someone's life and health are treated as whining.

Have you ever even seen a real life poor person?

I fear fear no man.. Sorry, you barely qualify for that assertion.

You people don't really care how the other 50% of our society feel about your ideals, and you have been forcing yourselves and your pathetic "elitist" attitudes on the other half for decades.

Now that we stand up and say no more, you scream like little girls and use insults and rhetoric to further your agenda. You'd rather screech and claw with your opposition than to discuss like adults. I find that funny as hell, and so do most of the Independents that will dictate the tempo.

I can't wait for 2012..

 

[dank69]

I fear fear no man.. Sorry, you barely qualify for that assertion.

You people don't really care how the other 50% of our society feel about your ideals, and you have been forcing yourselves and your pathetic "elitist" attitudes on the other half for decades.

Now that we stand up and say no more, you scream like little girls and use insults and rhetoric to further your agenda. You'd rather screech and claw with your opposition than to discuss like adults. I find that funny as hell, and so do most of the Independents that will dictate the tempo.

I can't wait for 2012..

Bolded for the lulz. It's also funny that you think you are an independant while communicating like a full blown member of the tea party.

 

[Macamus Prime]

I can't wait for 2012..

Like you couldn't wait for the GOP to "take over" last year? How is that working out by the way?

Or, like how Republican candidates for POTUS amount to brain dead when they are performing at their very best?

Have fun choking down your own hate and bile form now, until 2016.

 

[Macamus Prime]

Bolded for the lulz. It's also funny that you think you are an independant while communicating like a full blown member of the tea party.

Please don't insult the Tea Party like that.

I don't like them myself, but they really don't deserve such a painful stab.

 

[dank69]

Please don't insult the Tea Party like that.

I don't like them myself, but they really don't deserve such a painful stab.

We'll have to see how far down the spidey scale he goes. 41 posts in and he is already more than half way there.

 

[Mean MrMustard]

But this is America. You can't just go around telling people when they can reproduce.

But you have no problem forcing people to support this behavior...

 

[Zebo]

I question the public disability part in which the event has increased 95% in last 30 years, not the having children. Don't worry all of it is going to come tumbling down soon.

Disability will not be paid.
Pensions will not be paid.
SS will not be paid.
Medicare will not be paid.
etc etc etc

 

[nobodyknows]

Well, then, there goes the civility and any form of rational discussion, it takes a keyboard commando tough guy like you, in his moms basement, to really throw it out of whack. You must be one of the parasites sucking the life out of the rest of us.

Good job!

Sent from my Supercharged Asus Transformer

So says the toe-headed troll with 40 posts. WWYBYWB

 

[nobodyknows]

I question the public disability part in which the event has increased 95% in last 30 years, not the having children. Don't worry all of it is going to come tumbling down soon.

Disability will not be paid.
Pensions will not be paid.
SS will not be paid.
Medicare will not be paid.
etc etc etc

LOL, chaos will be the New World Order!!!??

 

[Carmen813]

These are stupid arguments. Everyone already agreed that people who can't take care of themselves need help and both sides clearly want to help those who are in need. We are purely talking about those who refuse to take care of themselves... Yet the "puppies will die" and "babies in the trashcans" and "throw grandma off a cliff" can't seem to be left out of the argument.

Personal responsibility needs to be re established. It used to be something people worked diligently to have, honor, dignity and pride were something that communities strive for.

Now this generation of whiny, entitled, government supported parasites are a disgusting representation of the hard work the people before us worked so hard to achieve.

The people before us were tough, resilient, and could handle the ebb and flow of life, but the people today are just panty wastes, who cry at the drop of a dime and fall into a depression when life hands them one tough card.... They are soft and pathetic, and there will come a day soon when the left destroys this economy so bad the collapse will weed out the weak. It's too bad we couldn't stop you before you drove it into the dirt.

Dependency is the goal of the left. They want you "barefoot and pregnant". They refuse to empower people to stand on their own, sure they'll offer some classes here and there that they don't demand that you attend. That's how they justify stealing others money to keep these people enabled. Because the end result is they can't think past their initial emotions, and they expect everyone else to not be able to think... What's next. What will happen next, how will this turn out.

Dependency on the government means one more vote for free goodies, the left knows it, it's certainly the goal of the Democrat Politician who use these people as the useful idiots they truly are, and they don't really care about the welfare of the people, it's just the vote that counts.

Every generation says this about the next. That doesn't make it true.