• We’re currently investigating an issue related to the forum theme and styling that is impacting page layout and visual formatting. The problem has been identified, and we are actively working on a resolution. There is no impact to user data or functionality, this is strictly a front-end display issue. We’ll post an update once the fix has been deployed. Thanks for your patience while we get this sorted.

Should people/children with ADD/ADHD, Autism, and etc be given special treatment?

Page 5 - Seeking answers? Join the AnandTech community: where nearly half-a-million members share solutions and discuss the latest tech.
All I know is that our district lacks funding for gifted student programs because they have to fund special needs programs.

Isn't that an interesting dilemma. Given limited resources, which group should take priority, those that fall behind or those who take the lead?

Society has a long standing precedence in this regard. We have a responsibility to provide for those who've fallen, not for those who are well off.
 
No not all pharmas, I still take asprin if I have a headache.
Just the psychiatric drugs are what im against and the link I posted yet again Ill repeat proves it.

Aspirin? Have you recently read up on NSAIDs and side effects?

Which psychiatric drugs specifically?
 
Isn't that an interesting dilemma. Given limited resources, which group should take priority, those that fall behind or those who take the lead?

Society has a long standing precedence in this regard. We have a responsibility to provide for those who've fallen, not for those who are well off.

I followed up in a later post that there are more options.
You do not have to take from one to give to the other when there are other opportunities in the school system.

I'd sooner take funding from other areas to fund gifted students then take from special needs programs.
 
What scientific studies does he have to corroborate this? What research has he done?

The scietific studies are in the article. And he explains that the other bigger studies were bribed to shut up or made loss of total credibility by big pharmas.
As far as research, umm its an interview about A WHOLE BOOK HE WROTE ON THE SUBJECT.
 
Yea, I figured you'd say that. :colbert:

BTW, did you read that whole book on the subject and all referenced materials?
No, all I need was to read the interview got enough info from that.

Not to mention the numerous critiques of the book from the medical and research communities...
Well of course they are gonna criticize it, after they lose monies if that info gets to the general public. And btw, the book has its own research which Ill beleive any day over what a shrink or pharma rep would say.
 
lol

That says volumes about you.

Good day to you, valiant keyboard warrior. It's clear there is no point speaking with one so sophomoric and willfully ignorant.

At least I wont give my kids speed......
Now stop flamming plz.
The article is enough to get a general idea, but if I have to now that you say it I might go out and purchase the book if that makes you happy.
And the fact that you would try to make me lose credibility cause I only read the article just shows your unwilling need to try and prove me wrong when you may be the one thats wrong.
 
At least I wont give my kids speed......
Now stop flamming plz.
The article is enough to get a general idea, but if I have to now that you say it I might go out and purchase the book if that makes you happy.
And the fact that you would try to make me lose credibility cause I only read the article just shows your unwilling need to try and prove me wrong when you may be the one thats wrong.

No, purchasing the book will not make me happy.

Read some REAL science regarding the use of ADHD medications, don't take the word of half baked "natural" websites who, just like big pharma, will say and do anything to get your money.

Had it not ever occurred to you that all this "natural," "homeopathic," and "anti-vaccination" bullshit is just another ploy to sell books, increasing advertising revenue, get people to buy snake oils, etc.? Sadly, people like you buy into it hook, line, and sinker.

I'd call you gullible or stupid but that might hurt your feelings and you'll report me again.
 
No, purchasing the book will not make me happy.

Read some REAL science regarding the use of ADHD medications, don't take the word of half baked "natural" websites who, just like big pharma, will say and do anything to get your money.

Had it not ever occurred to you that all this "natural," "homeopathic," and "anti-vaccination" bullshit is just another ploy to sell books, increasing advertising revenue, get people to buy snake oils, etc.? Sadly, people like you buy into it hook, line, and sinker.

I'd call you gullible or stupid but that might hurt your feelings and you'll report me again.

1)Wtf do vaccinations have to do with anything? Cause there happens to be a link to it next to the article? In any case if you want to debate that, Lewis Black the comedian couldnt have said it better: "Why the fuck should I get a flu shot if I spend the next 4 days with a mild cold?"
2)How is that website getting my money? lol
3)Gullable is anyone who listens to the system and gives their kids speed.
GG mmkay thx
 
My wife and mother-in-law are special education teachers. My wife is more involved with ID (intellectually disabled) kids, while my mother-in-law is more involved with LD (learning disabled) kids. They both have experience with the entire range of special ed though, since special educators tend to get bounced around to cover the numbers as students progress between schools - so I get to hear about this stuff all the time.

ADHD is no doubt a real thing, which has gotten a bad reputation because of over-diagnosis and over-medication in the last 10-20 years. I think that people in this thread questioning it have just never been in a classroom with children that are actually affected by it. All kids are spastic and would rather do fun/crazy stuff than sit down and learn. There is a big difference between "all kids" and real ADHD.

Autism of any form should not be lumped in with ADHD. Even Asperger syndrome, which is relatively mild compared to other ASDs and forms of ID, can make learning much more difficult for kids. I don't think that it's in our best interest to tell kids with Asperger's or dyslexia to just "suck it up" when some basic accommodations can help them to succeed as well as any other student. A majority of your ASD and LD kids don't even end up in separate classrooms from "normal" kids. They sit in regular ed classrooms that have 2 teachers. The 2nd teacher is SPED and helps with accommodations for either behavior or learning differences. This could include things like oral exams (instead of written), prompts to keep the kid on task, etc.

Even your more profoundly affected ASD and ID kids are worth teaching. They aren't going to go to college or probably even earn a standard high school diploma, but proper training at school can make a big impact on their lives. They can learn practical skills that we take for granted (ex. personal hygiene, paying bills, cooking, laundry, communicating with people, basic job skills, etc.). Providing them with this education and training can allow them to be much more independent as adults and keep them out of adult care facilities when their parents die or can no longer take care of them.

I was in the gifted programs at school. I was one of those kids that was bored most of the time at school. I know that we could do a lot more for gifted kids, but the money just isn't there to offer full-time gifted education at most schools. Parents need to challenge their gifted kids at home and push them towards activities that exercise their minds. Parents can also advocate for their gifted children to get accommodations at school like skipping grade levels in certain courses or creating relationships with local colleges so their children can dual enroll and earn high school credit for college level courses.

I know someone who has HF Autism/Aspergers, they graduated high school with Honors, and went to graduate from a major University in a respected field. They did all of this without any accommodations or special treatment. They were treated like any other student. It didn't seem to effect their ability to learn at all.
 
You know how they call kids are are bad at reading, dyslexic. Well now they are calling children who are bad at math, dyscalculic. Anyone who isn't good at something now has a disability and learning disorder.
 
In California a child who has dyscalculia usually gets:

1. Use of a calculator when other children don't.
2. Extra time on math test, often unlimited time.
3. Extra time to do math home work.

Basically if your child is bad at math, just talk to a doctor and have him diagnose your child with dyscalculia.

If the first doctor won't diagnose them with this, just find another. Eventually you will find one.
 
You know how they call kids are are bad at reading, dyslexic. Well now they are calling children who are bad at math, dyscalculic. Anyone who isn't good at something now has a disability and learning disorder.

really? does everyone who gets D's and F's automatically diagnosed with disability or learning disorder?

That's news to me, care to justify your statement?
 
I know someone who has HF Autism/Aspergers, they graduated high school with Honors, and went to graduate from a major University in a respected field. They did all of this without any accommodations or special treatment. They were treated like any other student. It didn't seem to effect their ability to learn at all.

Oh well - holy shit! We have all been wrong about this. DCal430 knows ONE WHOLE PERSON who did fine without accomodation. His well sized, in depth study has shown that 100% of people with Autism/Aspergers can graduate with honors without assistance. Its a good thing that all people with Autism/Aspergers are the same so this anechdotal evidence will hold true for everyone

Problem solved guys!

No, all I need was to read the interview got enough info from that.

Ah - good to know that you don't bother with indepth critical thinking

Well of course they are gonna criticize it, after they lose monies if that info gets to the general public.

As opposed to the monies the author gets by selling his book? Or is one side getting paid out of the deal ok as long as it's the side you believe in?
 
Last edited:
As opposed to the monies the author gets by selling his book? Or is one side getting paid out of the deal ok as long as it's the side you believe in?
Yup thats it, its a conspiracy by Robert Whitaker to sell gazillions copys of his book and take our money.......

May I ask whats your IQ level?
 
1)Wtf do vaccinations have to do with anything? Cause there happens to be a link to it next to the article? In any case if you want to debate that, Lewis Black the comedian couldnt have said it better: "Why the fuck should I get a flu shot if I spend the next 4 days with a mild cold?"
2)How is that website getting my money? lol
3)Gullable is anyone who listens to the system and gives their kids speed.
GG mmkay thx

1. Lewis Black is a comedian who is paid to say outrageous and funny things. I've met the man and he seems like a very intelligent and thoughtful guy so I doubt he is actually part of the anti-vaccination crowd. The reason anti-vaccinations matter is because they often run with the same crowd who taut homeopathic remedies and other horse shit.

2. Notice any ads on that website? Are there links to buy books or other products? (I wouldn't know since I'm using Adblock)

3. You're saying that I am gullible because I give my son Vyvanse, is that correct? So in your expert opinion I better stop giving it to him and let him go back to poor grades, constant disruptions in class, and a hampered ability to make friends.

Since you declined to answer my earlier questions, I can only assume you have no children of your own. I'm also going to assume you're unmarried and, for the sake of the female gender's reputation, a virgin. Where do you get off insulting people who actually deal with ADHD on a daily basis, who have done oodles of research on the condition, have talked with several psychologists, and have come to find that their kids behave and perform better with the aid of ADHD medications?

I invite you to do some actual research on the subject rather than bombarding yourself with biased sources who are just as interested in making money as the "big pharma" you so adamantly protest.

In any event, I'm not going to discuss the subject any further with you just as I'd hope you'd feel insulted and belittled by being lectured by someone with zero experience in a subject you're an expert at.
 
I know someone who has HF Autism/Aspergers, they graduated high school with Honors, and went to graduate from a major University in a respected field. They did all of this without any accommodations or special treatment. They were treated like any other student. It didn't seem to effect their ability to learn at all.

Every kid is different, especially in the autism spectrum. This is why they do IEPs for all of the labeled kids. Some won't need anything at all to succeed.
 
1. Lewis Black is a comedian who is paid to say outrageous and funny things. I've met the man and he seems like a very intelligent and thoughtful guy so I doubt he is actually part of the anti-vaccination crowd. The reason anti-vaccinations matter is because they often run with the same crowd who taut homeopathic remedies and other horse shit.

2. Notice any ads on that website? Are there links to buy books or other products? (I wouldn't know since I'm using Adblock)

3. You're saying that I am gullible because I give my son Vyvanse, is that correct? So in your expert opinion I better stop giving it to him and let him go back to poor grades, constant disruptions in class, and a hampered ability to make friends.

Since you declined to answer my earlier questions, I can only assume you have no children of your own. I'm also going to assume you're unmarried and, for the sake of the female gender's reputation, a virgin. Where do you get off insulting people who actually deal with ADHD on a daily basis, who have done oodles of research on the condition, have talked with several psychologists, and have come to find that their kids behave and perform better with the aid of ADHD medications?

I invite you to do some actual research on the subject rather than bombarding yourself with biased sources who are just as interested in making money as the "big pharma" you so adamantly protest.

In any event, I'm not going to discuss the subject any further with you just as I'd hope you'd feel insulted and belittled by being lectured by someone with zero experience in a subject you're an expert at.

ROFL yeah thats it I must be a virgin cause Im not married yet.....
Can you be any more ignorant? lol wanna bet I have got laid more then you and with more variety of women? Ill bet your some douche yuppie who was a virgin till he got married.
And I never insulted ppl that give their "ADHD" kids meds, in fact I think cheezewizz is smart for not giving his kid that crap.
You sir are a gullable nitwitt and troll may I add and will now be added to ignore list. Im done with you, keep on giving your child drugs. Good bye.
And btw yeah there are plenty of ads on the site, so are there on FB, whats your point? In any case I dont click on ads, I read the entire interview and will most likely buy the book.
I will now add you to ignore, GG mmkay bye, troll

And btw you met Lewis Black? So what? And hes paid to be a comedian so what? Doesnt change the fact that hes still uttering whats on his mind despite being paid.
I know private Ryan in rl and im not bringing it up here......
Kudos for another bumbling idiot who cant debate, which is you.
 
Last edited:
ROFL yeah thats it I must be a virgin cause Im not married yet.....
Can you be any more ignorant? lol wanna bet I have got laid more then you and with more variety of women? Ill bet your some douche yuppie who was a virgin till he got married.
And I never insulted ppl that give their "ADHD" kids meds, in fact I think cheezewizz is smart for not giving his kid that crap.
You sir are a gullable nitwitt and troll may I add and will now be added to ignore list. Im done with you, keep on giving your child drugs. Good bye.
And btw yeah there are plenty of ads on the site, so are there on FB, whats your point? In any case I dont click on ads, I read the entire interview and will most likely buy the book.
I will now add you to ignore, GG mmkay bye, troll

And btw you met Lewis Black? So what? And hes paid to be a comedian so what? Doesnt change the fact that hes still uttering whats on his mind despite being paid.
I know private Ryan in rl and im not bringing it up here......
Kudos for another bumbling idiot who cant debate, which is you.

I merely hoped you were a virgin. Since you're not, I'm very disappointed in the female population.

lol @ the Private Ryan comment. "I was going to say I'm awesome but I won't!"

Come back to the board when you've mentally matured enough to maintain a logically consistent argument and formulate a cogent sentence.
 
Yup thats it, its a conspiracy by Robert Whitaker to sell gazillions copys of his book and take our money.......

Conspiracy? I think he is very honest about his intentions. A quick search shows that he is selling (as opposed to giving them away) his books so clearly a goal of his is to make money. To make money - someone has to give up their money (unless you are a government that can print your own).

May I ask whats your IQ level?

Sure, why not. I never took an official IQ test or the SAT. The ACT is the preferred test in Michigan and I got a 31 on that so read into that however you want
 
ROFL yeah thats it I must be a virgin cause Im not married yet.....
Can you be any more ignorant? lol wanna bet I have got laid more then you and with more variety of women? Ill bet your some douche yuppie who was a virgin till he got married.
And I never insulted ppl that give their "ADHD" kids meds, in fact I think cheezewizz is smart for not giving his kid that crap.
You sir are a gullable nitwitt and troll may I add and will now be added to ignore list. Im done with you, keep on giving your child drugs. Good bye.
And btw yeah there are plenty of ads on the site, so are there on FB, whats your point? In any case I dont click on ads, I read the entire interview and will most likely buy the book.
I will now add you to ignore, GG mmkay bye, troll

And btw you met Lewis Black? So what? And hes paid to be a comedian so what? Doesnt change the fact that hes still uttering whats on his mind despite being paid.
I know private Ryan in rl and im not bringing it up here......
Kudos for another bumbling idiot who cant debate, which is you.

I also said it was 100% last resort. If, in the end, meds becomes an option...then I will have to bite the bullet and give it a shot.

These situations are not as black and white as you are making them out to be. Your ideals change with age, you may get the chance to see this topic differently. I remember saying very similar things to what you are when I was younger.
 
Conspiracy? I think he is very honest about his intentions. A quick search shows that he is selling (as opposed to giving them away) his books so clearly a goal of his is to make money. To make money - someone has to give up their money (unless you are a government that can print your own).



Sure, why not. I never took an official IQ test or the SAT. The ACT is the preferred test in Michigan and I got a 31 on that so read into that however you want

You do realize that education and IQ are two different things right?
Heck I was diagnosed with almost 150 IQ when when I was a child in the 80s with no college education yet.....
 
Back
Top