Should people/children with ADD/ADHD, Autism, and etc be given special treatment?

[DCal430]

For Autism I am referring to people who have Aspergers or High Functioning Autism and attend a regular school like other children.

I am also including other common diagnosis such as dyslexia and many others.
Often times these people are exempt from homework, or are given extra time to do homework. They are given extra time to take and study for test. Even on standardized testing these people are given special treatment. In college they get to register for classes before other people and have priority in registration. I understand giving them tutoring help and such, but this other special treatment seems a bit much to me.

What do you all think?

 

[Infohawk]

I think it depends at what level of education we're talking about. At young ages people with dyslexia and Aspergers need specialized attention. And at those ages timed tests don't make such a big deal.

At the high school or college level I think it's a bit strange and unfair to only select certain disadvantages. Lots of people have disadvantages like having a troubled home. Do they get more time too? I would probably prefer that the higher levels of education be less focused on competition anyway. A lot of academics is about a race or marathon towards a goal. What is so bad about certain people learning slower or faster? The point is that at the end you know it. If we focused less on competition these people might not need extra time.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

This is already done and most haven't a problem giving some extra consideration but the problem is that when in the workplace that's going to evaporate. If the person in question is never required to compensate how can they compete?

The other issue which goes to disabilities in general is regulatory stupidity, something I'm keen to avoid. Take my all too stupid state of NY. If a college student is blind then they have a right to take any class. Sounds great! Well not really. If someone wants to be a microbiologist then they get to take the class. Great again! Well not really. The college or university has to pay their at their expense (they cannot pass it on) someone to look into a microscope and describe what they see. Raise your hand if you don't get the problem here. Well intended perhaps but utterly stupid. Well they know they haven't to deal with the consequences of their actions, just order people around for no good reason.

 

[Jhhnn]

For Autism I am referring to people who have Aspergers or High Functioning Autism and attend a regular school like other children.

I am also including other common diagnosis such as dyslexia and many others.
Often times these people are exempt from homework, or are given extra time to do homework. They are given extra time to take and study for test. Even on standardized testing these people are given special treatment. In college they get to register for classes before other people and have priority in registration. I understand giving them tutoring help and such, but this other special treatment seems a bit much to me.

What do you all think?

Gotta love the usual attribution of "special treatment"- the children of America's wealthiest have received "special treatment" their whole lives, but Righties don't seem to complain about that...

The rest of it? Depends on whether we want people with disabilities to be able to make their maximum contribution to society, or not. Negative attitudes about that seem typical from people who been abused systematically- it's the social & economic version of Stockholm Syndrome.

This is already done and most haven't a problem giving some extra consideration but the problem is that when in the workplace that's going to evaporate. If the person in question is never required to compensate how can they compete?

The other issue which goes to disabilities in general is regulatory stupidity, something I'm keen to avoid. Take my all too stupid state of NY. If a college student is blind then they have a right to take any class. Sounds great! Well not really. If someone wants to be a microbiologist then they get to take the class. Great again! Well not really. The college or university has to pay their at their expense (they cannot pass it on) someone to look into a microscope and describe what they see. Raise your hand if you don't get the problem here. Well intended perhaps but utterly stupid. Well they know they haven't to deal with the consequences of their actions, just order people around for no good reason.

Creating strawman hypotheticals is beneath you, so quit.

 

[Herr Kutz]

They need to reintroduce paddling in schools. That will cure kids with "ADD/ADHD" real quick.

 

[jackstar7]

Compassion... I'm assuming some people here consider that special treatment.

 

[NeoV]

to put ADD/ADHD into the same conversation as Autism is ridiculous

 

[Infohawk]

to put ADD/ADHD into the same conversation as Autism is ridiculous

Isn't autism a spectrum. There are people on the functional end who can be in normal schools.

 

[DCal430]

to put ADD/ADHD into the same conversation as Autism is ridiculous

I was referring to high functioning autism, people with profound autism need all the help they can get.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Gotta love the usual attribution of "special treatment"- the children of America's wealthiest have received "special treatment" their whole lives, but Righties don't seem to complain about that...

The rest of it? Depends on whether we want people with disabilities to be able to make their maximum contribution to society, or not. Negative attitudes about that seem typical from people who been abused systematically- it's the social & economic version of Stockholm Syndrome.




Creating strawman hypotheticals is beneath you, so quit.

What's hypothetical? We had a legal expert come in to my wife's college and use this as an example of something that happened and explained what needs to be done. That's not the only thing, but it's the most "WTF" of a whole list of things required that made no sense at all.

Want to defend it? Go.

 

[Jhhnn]

What's hypothetical? We had a legal expert come in to my wife's college and use this as an example of something that happened and explained what needs to be done. That's not the only thing, but it's the most "WTF" of a whole list of things required that made no sense at all.

Want to defend it? Go.

So, uhh, you're citing third party attribution of an event that supposedly took place as fact, rather than identifying it as the equivalent of right wing email chain letters of urban legend?

Defend that.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

So, uhh, you're citing third party attribution of an event that supposedly took place as fact, rather than identifying it as the equivalent of right wing email chain letters of urban legend?

Defend that.

A trained specialist in disability law was paid to explain the changes in NY law as it relates to the academic setting. She came to the science department and as my wife is professor of biology she went over cases and requirements. This was one such case. Sorry but that's how it is.

 

[Zebo]

I don't see why not. We give blind children special attention where needed and if XYZ needs it per Drs rec why not?

I'm not smart enough to say they are not real disabilities like some of you are. But I am smart enough to know prison is like 80,000 a year per inmate.

 

[MovingTarget]

Wow, there is a lot of ignorance with respect to these conditions and their associated accommodations being displayed in this thread. Those with those conditions would gladly trade their accommodations to be able to function like 'normal' people. Even the most intelligent of people with ADD would not be able to achieve/function without "special treatment" as you call it.

 

[IGBT]

yes. They all should be forced to work in Apple slave labor ipad plants.

 

[pcgeek11]

Autism, yes if they need it. I have seen some highly functional Autistics that do fine with just a little guidance.

ADD/ADHD I would say no. IMO ADD/ADHD is mostly way over done. In my experience most of the kids with ADD and ADHD are just in need of some good old fashioned discipline.

 

[DCal430]

Autism, yes if they need it. I have seen some highly functional Autistics that do fine with just a little guidance.

ADD/ADHD I would say no. IMO ADD/ADHD is mostly way over done. In my experience most of the kids with ADD and ADHD are just in need of some good old fashioned discipline.

I know someone who has HF Autism who was able to get a college degree from a major university in a respectable field, and was able to get a job, own a home, and contribute to society. They did all of this without the need for any outside help, besides the financial help of their parents who paid for a large part of the university cost.

 

[drebo]

If they impact the learning of other kids in their class, whether it's because they're slower or because the teacher must make special accomodations for that kid, the kid should not be in that class.

 

[Matt1970]

They need to reintroduce paddling in schools. That will cure kids with "ADD/ADHD" real quick.

This. ADD ADHD is a BS excuse for parents who didn't discipline their kids.

 

[rchiu]

should disabled get special treatment with their parking and special facilities?

I think the answer is pretty clear.

My son was diagnosed with ADHD and I can tell you I will gladly trade special treatments for him to have a normal life. And fvck those idiots thinking ADD/ADHD is an excuse, they can talk when they actually get some education (preferably medical education), contribute the society and become a parent.

 

[drebo]

should disabled get special treatment with their parking and special facilities?

I think the answer is pretty clear.

My son was diagnosed with ADHD and I can tell you I will gladly trade special treatments for him to have a normal life. And fvck those idiots thinking ADD/ADHD is an excuse, they can talk when they actually get some education (preferably medical education), contribute the society and become a parent.

Do you believe that your child should be allowed to disrupt a regular classroom from being able to learn due to his "special" needs?

Think about it from the other side: if there was a kid in your son's class who needed constant teacher supervision to such an extent that the total learning time in the class was reduced even if by only an hour per day, would you be OK with that or would you prefer that kid to be in a class where he could receive the individual attention he needs without disrupting everyone else's ability to learn?

Should kids who need special learning help be given the opportunity to gain such help? Absolutely. Should that help disrupt a normal learning environment? Absofuckinglutely not.

Blah blah blah, separate-but-equal argument can go to hell. There is a very real problem with parents insisting their kids are "normal" and that they be in "normal" classrooms even though they clearly should not be. This does far more harm to the "normal" kids than it does good for the "special" kid. Not everyone learns at the same rate or in the same ways, and it's about fucking time our society realizes that.

 

[DCal430]

should disabled get special treatment with their parking and special facilities?

I think the answer is pretty clear.

My son was diagnosed with ADHD and I can tell you I will gladly trade special treatments for him to have a normal life. And fvck those idiots thinking ADD/ADHD is an excuse, they can talk when they actually get some education (preferably medical education), contribute the society and become a parent.

Not the same thing, there are people who ADHD who are able to get through school and college just fine without any special help. I am sure most of us would have liked if we got unlimited or double time on our test, an extra week to do our homework.

 

[rchiu]

Do you believe that your child should be allowed to disrupt a regular classroom from being able to learn due to his "special" needs?

Think about it from the other side: if there was a kid in your son's class who needed constant teacher supervision to such an extent that the total learning time in the class was reduced even if by only an hour per day, would you be OK with that or would you prefer that kid to be in a class where he could receive the individual attention he needs without disrupting everyone else's ability to learn?

Should kids who need special learning help be given the opportunity to gain such help? Absolutely. Should that help disrupt a normal learning environment? Absofuckinglutely not.

Blah blah blah, separate-but-equal argument can go to hell. There is a very real problem with parents insisting their kids are "normal" and that they be in "normal" classrooms even though they clearly should not be. This does far more harm to the "normal" kids than it does good for the "special" kid. Not everyone learns at the same rate or in the same ways, and it's about fucking time our society realizes that.

So what's your definition of "normal"? Does class bully count as normal? They cause hell lot more problem than any ADD/ADHD kids. What about those people getting Ds and Fs, why are they asking question when my As and Bs kids already know the answer.

This is imperfect world. Have some compassion, have some tolerance.

 

[rchiu]

Not the same thing, there are people who ADHD who are able to get through school and college just fine without any special help. I am sure most of us would have liked if we got unlimited or double time on our test, an extra week to do our homework.

Give me stats that ADHD kids get better grade, take normal kid's job because of their better grade, then we can talk like there is a problem.

 

[DCal430]

Give me stats that ADHD kids get better grade, take normal kid's job because of their better grade, then we can talk like there is a problem.

Why not give all students extra time not just the ADHD kids, or other LD kids. It isn't right went classes are graded on a curve and an ADHD /LD kid gets extra time on the exam and raises the curve. It isn't fair that a student has to read 1000 pages a semester, but the dyslexia or ADHD kid only has to read 250 words. Not fair at all. Also when they get into the read world work place they will learn, in the real world workplace you don't get special treatment at your job.