btw lets start a religion that allows us to carry swords
@#% the stupid sihks, stupid backwards religions.
@#% the stupid sihks, stupid backwards religions.
Where did any of you fools hear that its ok to carry a CONCEALED gun in the US? You can own one but not carry it outside your home without a special license. Don't speak about what you know nothing about!
The "knife" is a dagger known as a Kirpan. ALL baptised Sikhs MUST carry a kirpan. Why does this trouble people so much? These days the Kirpan is more for a spiritual purpose than to be used as a weapon. I thought people have freedom of religion in this country?
People can carry guns in this country and you are worried about someone carrying a 3-4-inch blade?
As for the Sikh who was detained, what kind of impression do you think that puts in the minds of the people that see him get arrested? Many news channels showed the guy being arrested, but none of them pointed out that he was a Sikh. The news channels didn't say anything after he was released either? Do YOU think that the media acted responsibly?
People can carry guns in this country and you are worried about someone carrying a 3-4-inch blade?
As for the Sikh who was detained, what kind of impression do you think that puts in the minds of the people that see him get arrested? Many news channels showed the guy being arrested, but none of them pointed out that he was a Sikh. The news channels didn't say anything after he was released either? Do YOU think that the media acted responsibly?
mwilding. You too can go FVCK YOURSELF,and by the way,READ THE GOD DAMNED NEWS!!! Its one of the biggest stories in the US right now. Turn on your tv fvckwit.
Desy,are you trying to make some kind of point? Do you think a permit is easy to get. Guess what? Its not.
BTW,I probably travel this country more than you travel out of your city,or whatever cave you live in.
BTW,I probably travel this country more than you travel out of your city,or whatever cave you live in.
<< btw lets start a religion that allows us to carry swords
@#% the stupid sihks, stupid backwards religions. >>Wow. What religion are you if any? Every religion has some "backwards" ideas.
<< HELLO!!! People!!! Have you seen the photos and/or training videos of these terrorist factions? They don't wear turbans like the Indian people do. This guy was no more a threat to our safety than any Texan who carries a knife. Just because he looked like he's from the middle east means he's an American hating terrorist now? <snip> >>
You're totally right. This is America we're talking about, and racial and/or religious profiling is wrong here. Let's not forget that virtually all of us are descended from immigrants. I went to school with a girl from Pakistan. She's one of the nicest, sweetest people I've ever met. (I even asked her out once.) Her description of the Muslim religion is one of beauty. Anybody who thinks that Islam as a religion, or the general populace of the Middle-Eastern region condones an attack such as this is an ignoramus. Islam itself values life as much as any other (non-occult) religion, and human nature in general tends toward love and harmony, not hate and destruction. I just thought I'd better mention that.
Which is why I was asking originally what religion says they must carry knives. I hadn't heard this story on the news, so I was unsure whether it was a legitimate reason or a frantic excuse...no doubt upset people would preffer to believe the latter...
<< Which is why I was asking originally what religion says they must carry knives. I hadn't heard this story on the news, so I was unsure whether it was a legitimate reason or a frantic excuse...no doubt upset people would preffer to believe the latter... >>
I think someone else said he was a Sikh.
arfang,how do you propose we catch these criminals if we are not allowed top arrest them based on their description?
I carry usually care a knife on me wherever I go, and it ain't because of religion. Legally, you can't stop me. Hell, I can carry my swords around with me and you can't legally stop me. If you can't legally stop me, a citizen, why should you be able to stop them, citizens?
db
Lifer
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Let me put it this way:
If my religion says I should hack the arms off someone once a week as a sacrifice to my god, the law will determine that your right to life and limb takes precedence over my right of religious expression.
Same type thing with the usual example of shouting "Fire!" in a theater--your right to express yourself does not take precedence over the safety of those in the theater.
If my religion says I should hack the arms off someone once a week as a sacrifice to my god, the law will determine that your right to life and limb takes precedence over my right of religious expression.
Same type thing with the usual example of shouting "Fire!" in a theater--your right to express yourself does not take precedence over the safety of those in the theater.
<< << btw lets start a religion that allows us to carry swords @#% the stupid sihks, stupid backwards religions. >> >>
Excellent attitude. NOT.
:disgust:
So far this year, three states (Virginia, Arkansas and Utah) have joined the
four states that loosened restrictions on CCW (carrying concealed weapons) permits last year. Legislation is pending or awaiting gubernatorial signature in 16 states. In Texas last Wednesday the state senate
passed a ccw liberalization measure by a vote of 23 to 7. And soon John Wesley Anderson's permit forms in Colorado may be outmoded: this week the Denver legislature plans to consider a lenient limit on
concealed guns. "It's a tidal wave," says a delighted Tanya K. Metaksa, head lobbyist for the National Rifle Association.
Not as tough as you claim.
People of all stripes carry concealed weapons my buddy carries a baton thats collapsable
four states that loosened restrictions on CCW (carrying concealed weapons) permits last year. Legislation is pending or awaiting gubernatorial signature in 16 states. In Texas last Wednesday the state senate
passed a ccw liberalization measure by a vote of 23 to 7. And soon John Wesley Anderson's permit forms in Colorado may be outmoded: this week the Denver legislature plans to consider a lenient limit on
concealed guns. "It's a tidal wave," says a delighted Tanya K. Metaksa, head lobbyist for the National Rifle Association.
Not as tough as you claim.
People of all stripes carry concealed weapons my buddy carries a baton thats collapsable
<< btw lets start a religion that allows us to carry swords
@#% the stupid sihks, stupid backwards religions. >>Gee, that's an educated statement!!
The Sikhs are NOT allowed to show the knife around UNLESS they need to use it for defense. If you have a Sikh friend and ask to see his knife, he won't show it. They aren't allowed to show it in public. The only time its used is for defense. Name me one case where a Sikh individual has used his knife on someone for no reason!
The media can manipulate your views. Did they say that the person who was arrested was a Sihk? They did they say that he was released? They just showed that he was arrested because he carried a knife, and made you believe that that was bad.
Before you start to denounce other cultures, please try to learn them.
Most states laws on knives are that three inches is the maximum size you can carry around outside your home or residence.
I guess my point is, it would be unenforcable like a speed limit of 55
Many weapona already exist and lots of people carry illegally so its already covered under criminal code.. People still do what they want to do..
117.15
(1) Subject to subsection (2), the Governor in Council may make regulations prescribing anything that by this Part is to be or may be prescribed.
(2) In making regulations, the Governor in Council may not prescribe any thing to be a prohibited firearm, a restricted firearm, a prohibited weapon, a restricted weapon, a
prohibited device or prohibited ammunition if, in the opinion of the Governor in Council
Along those lines anything consider to be intended to be used as a weapon can get you into trouble
"nunchaku" and any similar instrument or device, being hard non-flexible sticks, clubs, pipes or rods linked by a length or lengths of rope, cord, wire or chain;
"shuriken", being a hard non-flexible plate having three or more radiating points with one or more sharp edges in the shape of a polygon, trefoil, cross, star, diamond or other geometric shape;
"manrikigusari" or "kusari", and any similar instrument or device, being hexagonal or other geometrically shaped hard weights or hand grips linked by a length or lengths of rope, cord, wire or chain;
any finger ring that has one or more blades or sharp objects that are capable of being projected from the surface of the ring.
"crossbow", with a stock of 400 mm or less
"Constant Companion", being a belt containing a blade capable of being withdrawn from the belt, with the buckle of the belt forming a handle for the blade
any knife commonly known as a "push-dagger" that is designed in such a fashion that the handle is placed perpendicular to the main cutting edge of the blade; and any other similar device but not
including the aboriginal "ulu" knife.
"Spiked Wristband", being a wristband to which a spike or blade is affixed; and any other similar device
"Yaqua Blowgun", being a tube or pipe designed for the purpose of shooting arrows or darts by the breath; and any other similar device
"Kiyoga Baton" or "Steel Cobra" and any similar device consisting of a manually-triggered telescoping spring-loaded steel whip terminated in a heavy calibre striking tip;
"Morning Star" and any similar device consisting of a ball of metal or other heavy material, studded with spikes and connected to a handle by a length of chain, rope or other flexible material.
"Brass Knuckles" and any similar device consisting of a band of metal with finger holes designed to fit over the root knuckles of the hand.
Any device designed to be used for the purpose of injuring, immobilising or otherwise incapacitating any person by the discharge therefrom of
(a) tear gas, Mace or other gas, or
(b) any liquid, spray, powder or other substance that is capable of injuring, immobilising or otherwise incapacitating any person,
I'll just chuck this in here.
An Illinois legislative committee summed up the whole
subject of deadly weapon laws very neatly back in 1961:
"The possession and use of dangerous weapons has long
presented a problem to the law... Statutes of this kind have
been criticized for having the effect of prohibiting the law-
abiding citizen from protecting himself, while at the same
time failing to reach the criminal who habitually uses
dangerous weapons for illegal ends. Nevertheless, a great
many convictions have been obtained for the crime of carrying
concealed weapons. Hence, the Committee felt that a
continuation of the same policies which lie behind the
present law of deadly weapons was desirable."
Translated into plain English, they said that this law only
affects law-abiding citizens, but since many of them have
been convicted, and thus have been redefined as criminals,
let's keep enforcing it.
The laws of any of the 50 States feel free to look up what yours is!
Many weapona already exist and lots of people carry illegally so its already covered under criminal code.. People still do what they want to do..
117.15
(1) Subject to subsection (2), the Governor in Council may make regulations prescribing anything that by this Part is to be or may be prescribed.
(2) In making regulations, the Governor in Council may not prescribe any thing to be a prohibited firearm, a restricted firearm, a prohibited weapon, a restricted weapon, a
prohibited device or prohibited ammunition if, in the opinion of the Governor in Council
Along those lines anything consider to be intended to be used as a weapon can get you into trouble
"nunchaku" and any similar instrument or device, being hard non-flexible sticks, clubs, pipes or rods linked by a length or lengths of rope, cord, wire or chain;
"shuriken", being a hard non-flexible plate having three or more radiating points with one or more sharp edges in the shape of a polygon, trefoil, cross, star, diamond or other geometric shape;
"manrikigusari" or "kusari", and any similar instrument or device, being hexagonal or other geometrically shaped hard weights or hand grips linked by a length or lengths of rope, cord, wire or chain;
any finger ring that has one or more blades or sharp objects that are capable of being projected from the surface of the ring.
"crossbow", with a stock of 400 mm or less
"Constant Companion", being a belt containing a blade capable of being withdrawn from the belt, with the buckle of the belt forming a handle for the blade
any knife commonly known as a "push-dagger" that is designed in such a fashion that the handle is placed perpendicular to the main cutting edge of the blade; and any other similar device but not
including the aboriginal "ulu" knife.
"Spiked Wristband", being a wristband to which a spike or blade is affixed; and any other similar device
"Yaqua Blowgun", being a tube or pipe designed for the purpose of shooting arrows or darts by the breath; and any other similar device
"Kiyoga Baton" or "Steel Cobra" and any similar device consisting of a manually-triggered telescoping spring-loaded steel whip terminated in a heavy calibre striking tip;
"Morning Star" and any similar device consisting of a ball of metal or other heavy material, studded with spikes and connected to a handle by a length of chain, rope or other flexible material.
"Brass Knuckles" and any similar device consisting of a band of metal with finger holes designed to fit over the root knuckles of the hand.
Any device designed to be used for the purpose of injuring, immobilising or otherwise incapacitating any person by the discharge therefrom of
(a) tear gas, Mace or other gas, or
(b) any liquid, spray, powder or other substance that is capable of injuring, immobilising or otherwise incapacitating any person,
I'll just chuck this in here.
An Illinois legislative committee summed up the whole
subject of deadly weapon laws very neatly back in 1961:
"The possession and use of dangerous weapons has long
presented a problem to the law... Statutes of this kind have
been criticized for having the effect of prohibiting the law-
abiding citizen from protecting himself, while at the same
time failing to reach the criminal who habitually uses
dangerous weapons for illegal ends. Nevertheless, a great
many convictions have been obtained for the crime of carrying
concealed weapons. Hence, the Committee felt that a
continuation of the same policies which lie behind the
present law of deadly weapons was desirable."
Translated into plain English, they said that this law only
affects law-abiding citizens, but since many of them have
been convicted, and thus have been redefined as criminals,
let's keep enforcing it.
The laws of any of the 50 States feel free to look up what yours is!
GasX
Lifer
- Feb 8, 2001
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<< mwilding. You too can go FVCK YOURSELF,and by the way,READ THE GOD DAMNED NEWS!!! Its one of the biggest stories in the US right now. Turn on your tv fvckwit. >>
If you want to take of poll of people's opinions, you need to state what the issue is, post the question and give possible answers. Your post mixes editorial with some facts about an event you assume everyone knows about. I have 3 news websites refreshing every five minutes and I have no idea what you are talking about. I am at work and do not have access to a tv. Nevertheless, this is irrelevant.
Try editing your original post to this:
A man was recently arrested on weapons charges for carrying a ceremonial dagger that he claims his religion obligates him to do so.
Do you feel that one should be allowed to carry a ceremonial dagger in public?
Yes
No
No Opinion
You'll then get a non-biased poll and the thread will contain discussion of the event you are talking about.
Your post was just babbling.
From what I've heard, Israel airlines have never had a high jacking. I guess it's because they don't allow ANY carry ons.
I think that will eventually happen in the US too.
I think that will eventually happen in the US too.
religion or not, knives are a weapon, and i don't think people should be carrying them in school, work or anywhere public.
veryape: arfang,how do you propose we catch these criminals if we are not allowed top arrest them based on their description?
The Irish Republican Army is a terrorist organization. If you were to believe the tv show Sopranos, Italian-Americans run organized crime. Last I checked, Irish and Italian people are white. And most serial killers are white men. In the last few weeks, two incidents of multiple murders happened here in California. In one case, the guy killed his family and in the other the guy killed his ex-girlfriend and co-workers. Both of them happened to be white, as were McVeigh, Hitler and Stalin. Oh yeah, and that fwcker that should have been hanged for treason, Robert Hansen, he's white too. All Aryan supremacist nut cases are also white. So if the authorities started arresting people based on descriptions like "white male, 5'10", 170lbs, blond hair, blue eyes", what's going to happen?
What you are saying is to single out these people based on their color and based on what they wear. Do you think that the bastards that killed our people in new york were walking around at the airports with turbans or towels on their heads? I think not!
The Irish Republican Army is a terrorist organization. If you were to believe the tv show Sopranos, Italian-Americans run organized crime. Last I checked, Irish and Italian people are white. And most serial killers are white men. In the last few weeks, two incidents of multiple murders happened here in California. In one case, the guy killed his family and in the other the guy killed his ex-girlfriend and co-workers. Both of them happened to be white, as were McVeigh, Hitler and Stalin. Oh yeah, and that fwcker that should have been hanged for treason, Robert Hansen, he's white too. All Aryan supremacist nut cases are also white. So if the authorities started arresting people based on descriptions like "white male, 5'10", 170lbs, blond hair, blue eyes", what's going to happen?
What you are saying is to single out these people based on their color and based on what they wear. Do you think that the bastards that killed our people in new york were walking around at the airports with turbans or towels on their heads? I think not!
before you all keep saying he can't carry a knife you should understand where he's coming from. He is sikh, and in Sikhism once you are part of the khalsa there is divine mandate that u must carry a kirpan, which is not a "knife". It is solely for religious purposes, and even in the act of self defense will never be taken out to hurt another individual.
BTW, I am a sikh and I don't carry a kirpan (reserved for those sikhs who are part of the khalsa; similar to baptism in christianity). Also, I believe the kirpan is tied closed or something like that, so no one could come up to him and take his kirpan out of its sheath and use it. This is a part of the religion. Understand it before bashing it.
ronnie
BTW, I am a sikh and I don't carry a kirpan (reserved for those sikhs who are part of the khalsa; similar to baptism in christianity). Also, I believe the kirpan is tied closed or something like that, so no one could come up to him and take his kirpan out of its sheath and use it. This is a part of the religion. Understand it before bashing it.
ronnie
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