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Should panhandling be illegal?
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JHoNNy1OoO
Golden Member
Originally posted by: Eli
Harassment? GIve me a break.Originally posted by: JHoNNy1OoO
Originally posted by: Vic
So don't give them money, dumbass
Otherwise asking for money is freedom of speech. Learn to live with it, fascist.
I didn't say I gave them money did I? The rest of the people do and thats not my problem.
As for asking money being a freedom of speech sure. Harrasing me for money is not part of that. Sure one can argue it is but when someones main purpose is to do this to every single person he sees then its freaking problem. There are services to get homeless people back on their feet but most find it more lucrative to panhandle.
As someone else has said, we may as well outlaw asking for directions.
How dare they harass you!
Jesus Fscking Christ.
Of course now I have to be specific. If a panhandler asked one person for money I wouldn't consider it harassment if then he went about his business. But if this same panhandler asked one person for money and then the next and then the next and kept on doing it from 9 am to 4 pm day in and day out and asked several hundred people wouldn't you consider that harassment?
People that ask for directions ask until they get an answer and then might ask one more person to make sure and then go about their business. Asking for Directions and Asking for Money aren't the same thing especially how I explained it above.
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Miramonti
Lifer
Lets ban those asking for signatures for politicians to get on the ballot.
Lets ban those people asking for the time because it happens to be obvious you are wearing a watch.
Lets ban those people asking for directions.
Why?
Because its ANNOYING and anyone that annoys me should be cited for bugging someone with enough emotional baggage to get annoyed at these stupid solicitations! 😀
Lets ban those people asking for the time because it happens to be obvious you are wearing a watch.
Lets ban those people asking for directions.
Why?
Because its ANNOYING and anyone that annoys me should be cited for bugging someone with enough emotional baggage to get annoyed at these stupid solicitations! 😀
JHoNNy1OoO
Golden Member
All those things you mentioned have a purpose and an immediate ending for the person asking. Except for maybe the politician(a month or two) but even they do it around their own area, at least around here.
I forgot to mention that someone has yet to come up with something that even compares to Panhandling. Asking for directions and signatures aren't anything like panhandling which basically means your job everyday is to beg for money by asking as many people as you can whereever you can.
Pliablemoose
Lifer
New ordanance in DFW area is great, I don't have to look @ them anymore.
What pi$$es me off is that they (homeless) have multiple resources available to them, they are just unwilling to follow simple rules like "Don't do drugs here" @ homeless shelters etc...
What pi$$es me off is that they (homeless) have multiple resources available to them, they are just unwilling to follow simple rules like "Don't do drugs here" @ homeless shelters etc...
OK, how do you guys feel about the ones that just start washing your windshield when you don't want them to? You car is private property afterall (which is another point that has not been discussed).
Which is why I don't give them any money. My taxes already go to resources they have at their disposal.
I guess that doesn't apply to the entire surrounding area... I was just down there and got saw like 5 people at one intersection, but I think I was in North Richland Hills (but it may have been Ft Worth... not exactly sure).
Which is why I don't give them any money. My taxes already go to resources they have at their disposal.
I guess that doesn't apply to the entire surrounding area... I was just down there and got saw like 5 people at one intersection, but I think I was in North Richland Hills (but it may have been Ft Worth... not exactly sure).
JHoNNy1OoO
Golden Member
Yeah and before they even spray the bottle you are telling them no and then when they're done they just stand by your car waiting for money even if you didn't ask for it or wanted it. :/ I saw a violent situation over that and it got into a fist fight between the bum and the guy in the car. Bum started it by hitting the guys window with the squeegee because the guy wouldn't give him any money, guy rolled down his window and told him to stop, and the bum spit at him. Ass whoopin began with a pretty big guy getting out and unleashing his fury on the bum. Definately sprayed the wrong car.
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JHoNNy1OoO
Golden Member
By your responses it sounds like you only care about the immediate problem when they speak to you. This about panhandling as a whole and why not fix the problem where it starts. With the freaking bum.
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Vic
Elite Member
Entirely different and already illegal crimes involved there that are completely unrelated to panhandling. Vandalism of the person's car, assault (by spitting), blocking traffic, public safety nuisance, etc. Bum got what he deserved. Better lesson, IMO, than a fine or a short stay in jail.
I live in a good sized city (and I frequently visit an even larger one a short 3 hour drive away) and I've never actually seen in person this squeegee BS done by panhandlers. We have no laws against panhandling either. I guess it's probably because, for all its liberalism, these towns are still a bit rough around the edges and a lot of people here would probably do what that guy above did if some bum started squeegee'ing their window at every stoplight.
Miramonti
Lifer
All of the things mentioned are very similar because they are FREE SPEECH.
Who are you to question why someone is asking you for something and what they are going to do with it if you give it to them. Who are you to make a judgement on them. Are you ALL that? I don't think so. They may be a good person but be in need or be in a fvcked up place in their lives, while you could be a miserable wench who is far worse for any kind of society ever known to man.
Whether they are asking for money for food or for a drug addiction, why should they justify themselves in order to ask you for something. They are asking for money or food or whatever, not what you think of their lives or how they look or how they smell or how they should act to appease you.
If you don't want to give anything to them under whatever circumstances, then don't but take your shallow immature conceited judgements and shove them up your miserable life.
Suggestion: don't worry about the spec in your brothers eye, worry about the plank in your own.
Vic
Elite Member
That problem has continually plagued humanity since the earliest civilizations. It cannot be fixed. Only idealists think so.
You see, the issue there is that you believe that everyone would work to make themselves better if given the opportunity. In reality, that is simply not the case. More often the opposite is true, where people settle for status quo as long as they can do so with a minimum of effort. How low they will settle for is an individual decision.
Ask yourself this... were all those same bad breaks to happen to you, would you still panhandle on the streets in our modern society?
Miramonti
Lifer
Whether its true or not for anyone, whats the problem. Jealous? Since when are there a code of ethics in this country on how to make money? Please don't tell me that they are criminals while those in sales bs'ing potential customers to buy something that they know won't help them is a better life to live.
If you don't want to give, don't give, but don't pretend that they are worse people than you or anyone else around you.
Interesting, what if the panhandlers who represent themselves as "homeless," are not really homeless - could this be considered misrespresentation? It kind of remains of the parents who stated that one of their children was seriously "ill" in order to gain funds - while it turned out the child was, in fact, healthy.
JHoNNy1OoO
Golden Member
I'm just having a debate here about panhandling jjsole not about the people or their feelings or anything else. Don't make this into an attack which it sure sounded like coming from you. :/
They aren't similar. Directions you don't ask a hundred people in the same day for the same directions and then keep doing it day after day because there would be no benefit to you. These people get off on getting free money by begging hundreds of people daily and in the same area. I'm sure you'd feel really different to panhandlers if you owned a business and they stood on your corner bugging your customers. You would tell the police to get them the hell out of there and they tell you its free speech they could do whatever they want. Your customers then avoid your store because bums are always bothering you for money going in and out of the store. When there was no need for that bum to be on your corner in the first place begging for money.
I'm sorry but if you got the will power to beg hundreds of people in a hot sun day after day for money, you have the will power to get a freaking job.
JHoNNy1OoO
Golden Member
I'm luckily educated enough to know that there are programs out there that do help the homeless and no I wouldn't panhandle. I'm sure most of the panhandlers don't but if panhandling were to be made illegal and they would get arrested time and time again for it, I'm sure they would find another way to get by or even better yet. When they got arrested could ask what they could do to get money to survive. Panhandling is just easy and legal, that's why the bums do it.
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Jeff7181
Lifer
Just an experience one of my college room mates shared with me...
He was in Detroit for the auto show, waiting to park, and a man and his son came up to the window and asked for money... so he gave him a buck, and the guy seemed very greatful and handed the dollar to his son... then the guy's cell phone rang and he took it out of his pocket and answered it!
Not all those people are poor, some people make a damn good living doing that... they may even work part time and have a house!
He was in Detroit for the auto show, waiting to park, and a man and his son came up to the window and asked for money... so he gave him a buck, and the guy seemed very greatful and handed the dollar to his son... then the guy's cell phone rang and he took it out of his pocket and answered it!
Not all those people are poor, some people make a damn good living doing that... they may even work part time and have a house!
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